i'm not advocating for it. i'm just telling you that's what communism in the modern era is dude. you are incorrect.
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I'm jealous you can legally grow cannabis in many states, and your house prices are lower than here.
That's about it.
right
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As I said, who is we?
Who dictates these things
i don't understand this question. ideologies aren't dictated nor are they static and unchanging as i mentioned above. capitalism itself has gone through many evolutions. the capitalism of 2024 isn't the capitalism of the early 1900's. to answer your question, communists changed what communism means just as how capitalists have changed what capitalism means.
by listening to and understanding what modern communists say? idk that's usually how people come to understandings lol.
yeah i haven't been reading this thread but from past conversations i know he agrees with me.
commies who commonly express admiration for china and the ussr are considered (by communists themselves) idiots for the most part. red fascist and/or tankie is the pejorative term.
i've posted this like 20x in here most likely lol but here ya go.....
here's a lecture from a US marxist economics professor. it's more about socialism than communism but it's a good starting point for someone who wants to understand the very basics of modern leftist economic thought and where it's headed and why it's getting popular again.
here's a lecture from a US marxist economics professor. it's more about socialism than communism but it's a good starting point for someone who wants to understand the very basics of modern leftist economic thought and where it's headed and why it's getting popular again.
right
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I see so ,so called Marxist professors who actually prey on our youth. Just so they can burn down decent society, a d bring about another stallin style totalitarian dictatorship
Prey on youth?
You should actually watch it, but no doubt you'll just keep your head up your arse.
You are arguing one side without even bothering to understand the other.
right
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See that's just it your obscure professors, are out of touch with what the entire world means when we all talk about communism.
What they are advocating is nonsense. Never going to happen. Make believe.
This is why berni achieved nothing. No one
Will work with him because his nonsense is poison, and carer suicide
What they are advocating is nonsense. Never going to happen. Make believe.
This is why berni achieved nothing. No one
Will work with him because his nonsense is poison, and carer suicide
right
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I'm not attacking you personally
he holds workshops for people who want to understand socialism and communism lol. if you watch the video he says he is a retired economics professor who taught the standard capitalist curriculum but happens to personally identify as a marxist.
he's also not really obscure, he's just not very mainstream. why would you platform your economic enemy to potentially convert your audience lol.
serious question but if you want to know what a communist believes wouldn't you ask a communist? why would you ask or listen to someone that hates that ideology? this can be about anything not even capitalism v communism... if i wanted to learn about physics i'm gonna go take a physics course or talk to a physisist. i'm not gonna go to my local church to teach me about that.
that's fine lol im not preaching or advocating, just pointing out that your belief that communism in 2024 is still modeled after the soviet union is incorrect.
or did you ever stop and think it might be because what bernie was advocating policy wise, would have hurt the profit motives of the people who finance 99% of other politicians? if politicians are corrupt, which i'm sure you agree with, then they're corrupted by big money are they not? getting rid of private insurance for example would have been a huge hit to a very small amount of people's wallets.
right
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So by your own admission the professor who defines your version of Communism is not mainstream.
And what of the modern communist, a big fat spoiled purple haired Ritchie rich bourgeois.
What does the bourgeois know about the plight of the working man?
Burnie is not a serious man . He never wanted to be president and never expected to get elected in his wildest dreams. He just wanted to capitalize on campaign contributions
And what of the modern communist, a big fat spoiled purple haired Ritchie rich bourgeois.
What does the bourgeois know about the plight of the working man?
Burnie is not a serious man . He never wanted to be president and never expected to get elected in his wildest dreams. He just wanted to capitalize on campaign contributions
right
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I want to let you know that you are sitting in my chair.
Hiddenjems
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“real” communism will never exist at a scale beyond a few hundred people. It’s counter to human nature.
For example, in true communism your baby may have to be slightly malnourished so that babies 2,000 miles away have a shot. A mother will not agree to this.
This is why communists are against the nuclear family. All children belong to the state.
For example, in true communism your baby may have to be slightly malnourished so that babies 2,000 miles away have a shot. A mother will not agree to this.
This is why communists are against the nuclear family. All children belong to the state.
Eltitoguay
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@Cannavore:
I insist again; Considering that the USSR was not Marxsist Socialist is a modern concept, I think it is also a mistake, when History is there:
Not only because, as I repeated, Lenin opposed his replacement at the last moment: Trosky's opposition was earlier and much harsher; and "as recently and contemporaneously" as in 1929, he had to flee the USSR, and he was managed to being assassinate by Stalin in 1940 . And before, Stalin managed to assassinate another of his harshest critics and opponents, Andreu Nin, in 1937.
But already before Stalin, both Marxism that would be called "libertarian Marxism", and the Marxist socialists and social democrats of the Mesheviks (not Bolsheviks), even opposed the authoritarian drifts of Lenin and Trosky themselves.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
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Even Libertarian Marxism and some of its first currents that you mention, already existed in 1920: Rosa Luxeburg died in 1919, and in 1920 the German-Dutch "Counselor Communism" already existed.
And if we look at the origins of Eurocommunism-Neocommunism, Antonio Gramsci died in 1937.
And anyone who has half a brain will know that Marxism is previos to Lenin, Trosky and Stalin variations .
Soviet Bolshevik Marxism-Leninism is new interpretation and variant of "original" Marxism, for a dictatorial and underdeveloped state, mainly agrarian, since original Marxism is designed for the working class of developed industrialized states that can abate in the democratic republic.
FIRST WERE MARX AND ENGELS, AND THEIR COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. All other variants are later years.
I insist again; Considering that the USSR was not Marxsist Socialist is a modern concept, I think it is also a mistake, when History is there:
Not only because, as I repeated, Lenin opposed his replacement at the last moment: Trosky's opposition was earlier and much harsher; and "as recently and contemporaneously" as in 1929, he had to flee the USSR, and he was managed to being assassinate by Stalin in 1940 . And before, Stalin managed to assassinate another of his harshest critics and opponents, Andreu Nin, in 1937.
But already before Stalin, both Marxism that would be called "libertarian Marxism", and the Marxist socialists and social democrats of the Mesheviks (not Bolsheviks), even opposed the authoritarian drifts of Lenin and Trosky themselves.
Russian Social Democratic Labour Party - Wikipedia
Mensheviks - Wikipedia
Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (Mensheviks) - Wikipedia
Even Libertarian Marxism and some of its first currents that you mention, already existed in 1920: Rosa Luxeburg died in 1919, and in 1920 the German-Dutch "Counselor Communism" already existed.
And if we look at the origins of Eurocommunism-Neocommunism, Antonio Gramsci died in 1937.
And anyone who has half a brain will know that Marxism is previos to Lenin, Trosky and Stalin variations .
Soviet Bolshevik Marxism-Leninism is new interpretation and variant of "original" Marxism, for a dictatorial and underdeveloped state, mainly agrarian, since original Marxism is designed for the working class of developed industrialized states that can abate in the democratic republic.
FIRST WERE MARX AND ENGELS, AND THEIR COMMUNIST MANIFESTO. All other variants are later years.
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Eltitoguay
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Andreu Nin or the day Stalin betrayed the Revolution :
The cartoonist and illustrator Lluís Juste presents the work 'Andreu Nin', a comic that traces the life of the POUM militant, his murder ordered from Moscow and also the fight to recover his memory.
Andreu Nin - Wikipedia
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Fragment of the comic 'Andreu Nin, following in your footsteps', by Lluís Juste.
10/03/2016 23:21 UPDATED: 03/27/2017 22:22
ALEXANDRO TORRUS
The Nobel Prize winner Albert Camus wrote that :
"the assassination of Andreu Nin marks a turning point in the tragedy of the 20th century; A century that was, it should be remembered, that of the betrayed Revolution.".
Albert Camus - Wikipedia
And the fact is that the assassination of the leader of the POUM was one of the first ordered outside its borders by the dictator of the USSR Joseph Stalin .
Later Leon Trotsky would fall and hundreds would be betrayed in Poland (1939-41), Finland (1939-40) or Austria (1945-55).
But Andreu Nin, who had come to sit as a deputy in the Moscow Soviet, set the precedent and opened a scar, which was never completely disinfected, in the heart of the left.
"They will not dare, my friend, they will not dare," said Andreu Nin the same day he was kidnapped and later tortured and executed.
It was June 22, 1937, and it was the second time that day that the POUM leader had been warned that he could not walk around the streets without an escort.
But he did not listen.
He was kidnapped, taken to Valencia, and then to Madrid to be executed. Today there is no longer any doubt that his murder was ordered by Stalin, who needed the collaboration of agents from the PCE and the PSUC.
To honour the figure of the Secretary General of the POUM and to recover his memory, the cartoonist and illustrator Lluís Juste has created the comic Andreu Nin, siguiendo tus pasos (Edicions de Ponent) , which covers the life of the Marxist, his assassination ordered from Moscow and also the subsequent struggle to recover his memory. " All, absolutely all the cartoons in the comic are true. You are not going to catch me out," warns the author at the event held on Thursday at the Blanquerna Cultural Centre.
"The 1917 Revolution was proletarian and was born with the intention of a specific class taking power in the State. But after Lenin's death, the revolution fell into the wrong hands : Stalin was not a communist. Stalin was only a Stalinist.
The betrayal consists in that the Revolution stopped being proletarian and became a dictatorship of a nomenclature, using the excuse of a Revolution In A Single Country. But there were people like Andreu Nin who denounced from the beginning, and even from within the USSR, the betrayal of the ideals of the revolution. This is when we can speak of the betrayed revolution ," explains Lluís Juste.
Enrique del Olmo and Lluís Juste de Nin during the presentation of the comic 'Andreu Nin, following in your footsteps'
The work, however, does not stop at Nin's murder and continues with the adventures of his wife, Olga Tareeva , and his two daughters and ends with the (difficult) arrival of Olga's remains to be buried in Catalonia.
It even records the meetings between Tareeva and Leon Trotsky 's wife in Paris, first, and in Coyoacán, Mexico, some time later. The two women had something in common. The same person had ordered the murder of their husbands: Stalin.
Because Stalin's logic was terrifying.
To successfully fight any enemy it was necessary, first, to eliminate the internal enemy.
The dictator of the USSR was convinced that one of the main reasons why the Spanish Republicans could be defeated was because of the presence of traitors.
And so, as in Russia, Stalin demanded that traitors be dealt with decisively.
To this end, he sent Lev Nikolsky, alias Alexander M. Orlov, to Spain , who would prepare everything for the execution of the Catalan leftist.
For this reason, for Enrique del Olmo, President of the Andreu Nin Foundation, the recovery of the memory of the founder of the POUM is much more than recovering the legacy of the main Marxist thinker of the time throughout the State.
For Del Olmo, recovering the memory of Nin means recovering the best of a left that refused to understand the world as a space lacking freedom and the recovery of a left that has the fight for democracy incorporated into its DNA.
Andreu Nin o el día en el que Stalin traicionó a la revolución
El dibujante e ilustrador Lluís Juste presenta la obra 'Andreu Nin', un cómic que recorre la vida del militante del POUM, su asesinato ordenado desde Moscú y también la lucha por recuperar su memoria.
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