commies

[bushed]

I appreciate your sharing of the dream above. I was teasing with the uniform comment. I can only hope your dream becomes a reality.

It says alot about this thread the fact that I thought you was serious. I don't think there's much or any chance we will see global unity in my life time or really ever. The people with the money manufacture the weapons.

Perhaps we may see an increased tax on the rich. There's a documentary from a while back called capatalism a love story, it documents how America was able to send a man to the moon, how America was a place of prosperity. Until the fail safes were removed in the Regan (I think, was a while back) era where the fail safes that were designed to keep things in check were lobbied and removed.

I will ask again and try not to go on a tangent this time. What would be so bad about communism?

Oh and what's the far left what do the far left believe? America your fascinating.

 

[armedoldhippy]

It says alot about this thread the fact that I thought you was serious. I don't think there's much or any chance we will see global unity in my life time or really ever. The people with the money manufacture the weapons.

Perhaps we may see an increased tax on the rich. There's a documentary from a while back called capatalism a love story, it documents how America was able to send a man to the moon, how America was a place of prosperity. Until the fail safes were removed in the Regan (I think, was a while back) era where the fail safes that were designed to keep things in check were lobbied and removed.

I will ask again and try not to go on a tangent this time. What would be so bad about communism?

Oh and what's the far left what do the far left believe? America your fascinating.

problem with communism is that imperfect people (the only kind in existence) have to be in charge. it's stated goals are admirable (unless you want to be rich & own slaves) but are always subjugated by power-hungry assholes, just like happens in capitalism. we need increased taxes on the rich, because they have lobbied (quite successfully, too) congress for decades for exemptions for everything they want to keep, loopholes which cannot be used by those with less money than them. we need to strip out ALL loopholes for avoiding paying the taxes owed. and i don't want to hear "hate the game, not the player". what fucking bullshit...

 

[Three Berries]

The problem with communism is the always end up killing their people.

 

[Cannavore]

communism is the abolition of hierarchy (private and public). there is no ruling class or currency.

 

[entropical]

Communism is enslavement of workers to state capitalism by the false promise of ”workers owning the means of production”.

 

[Three Berries]

communism is the abolition of hierarchy (private and public). there is no ruling class or currency.

The ruling class is the top of the party. You are delusional as the hierarchy of communism is all allegiance to the state or suffer.

 

[Cannavore]

Communism is enslavement of workers to state capitalism by the false promise of ”workers owning the means of production”.

wrong. socialism is when the workers own the means of production. there is NO STATE in a communist society, so there would be no form of "state capitalism". nor would "state capitalism" exist in a socialist economy.

 

[Cannavore]

The ruling class is the top of the party. You are delusional as the hierarchy of communism is all allegiance to the state or suffer.

you don't know what communism (or leftism in general) is. thanks for playing.

 

[entropical]

wrong. socialism is when the workers own the means of production. there is NO STATE in a communist society, so there would be no form of "state capitalism". nor would "state capitalism" exist in a socialist economy.

FALSE! Marx’s doctrine is nothing more than a sales pitch to get people to fall for the lie that communists would abolish the state and let workers own the means of production. That has never happened and it never will. Marxism is not socialism, it’s nothing more than a hoax. True socialism is folk community.

 

[Cannavore]

because it's never been tried.

21st century socialism = marxism

 

[entropical]

because it's never been tried.

21st century socialism = marxism

1917 bolschevik revolution
1919 creation of the hungarian soviet republic
1945 creation of communist yugoslavia, communist east germany etc
1948 communist revolution in north korea
1949 chinese communist revolution
1954 communist sieze power in north vietnam (the whole country is communist by 1976)
1959 cuban communist revolution
1974 communist take over ethiopia
1975 communism in laos and cambodia
1979 communism in nicaragua

”it’s never been tried”

 

[Three Berries]

We have Venezuela right around the corner too. If one likes communism so much I'm sure they would welcome you with open arms.

Socialism doesn't generate capital, it only consumes previously made money. So it slowly starves to death AFTER starving the citizens.

 

[Brother Nature]

It says alot about this thread the fact that I thought you was serious. I don't think there's much or any chance we will see global unity in my life time or really ever. The people with the money manufacture the weapons.

Perhaps we may see an increased tax on the rich. There's a documentary from a while back called capatalism a love story, it documents how America was able to send a man to the moon, how America was a place of prosperity. Until the fail safes were removed in the Regan (I think, was a while back) era where the fail safes that were designed to keep things in check were lobbied and removed.

I will ask again and try not to go on a tangent this time. What would be so bad about communism?

Oh and what's the far left what do the far left believe? America your fascinating.

This is a logical question that requires a logical answer. I'm not sure how long you've been around the speakers corner, but there's not a lot of logical reasoning going on here.

My answer would be that Americans, specifically, have been conditioned to think communism is 'evil' and don't actually have a grasp or understanding of what communism is, even though most of them have gone through a socialized school system (e.g. 'communism'). You couple that with a group of people who think their government is the be-all end-all of information and power, and you have an illogical hatred of something not fully understood. I think that would explain a lot about the American psyche actually, not just the hatred of 'communism'.

 

[moose eater]

This is a logical question that requires a logical answer. I'm not sure how long you've been around the speakers corner, but there's not a lot of logical reasoning going on here.

My answer would be that Americans, specifically, have been conditioned to think communism is 'evil' and don't actually have a grasp or understanding of what communism is, even though most of them have gone through a socialized school system (e.g. 'communism'). You couple that with a group of people who think their government is the be-all end-all of information and power, and you have an illogical hatred of something not fully understood. I think that would explain a lot about the American psyche actually, not just the hatred of 'communism'.

Nationalism can present a form of control, accessed through an illogical ego, where people feel overly proud of something they had no part in the original making of. The masses become easily manipulated, similar to someone saying in a bar, "Did you hear what that guy said about your wife/husband?" It avails itself to manipulation by those who prey on folks who feel overly prideful about something they literally have a minimal connection to. No one in the world, that we know of, had any say in where they were born, yet we use those criteria to dictate who can travel where, what they can have or bring with them, and more.

Nationalism disguised as patriotism, for the purpose of manipulating the masses, is about as toxic a poison as one can imbibe. Targeted hatred and one-up, one-down presumptions are built out of excess pride in such things.

 

[moose eater]

FALSE! Marx’s doctrine is nothing more than a sales pitch to get people to fall for the lie that communists would abolish the state and let workers own the means of production. That has never happened and it never will. Marxism is not socialism, it’s nothing more than a hoax. True socialism is folk community.

You've read and studied The Communist Manifesto, have you? It sure doesn't seem like it.

 

[entropical]

You've read and studied The Communist Manifesto, have you? It sure doesn't seem like it.

I have read parts but never bothered to read it start to finish, if that is what you are asking. No need to read the damned thing from cover to cover to figure out that Karl Marx was a fraud in the service of his Rothschild relatives. Bakunin called him out during the international without even realizing they where cousins.

 

[Cannavore]

1917 bolschevik revolution
1919 creation of the hungarian soviet republic
1945 creation of communist yugoslavia, communist east germany etc
1948 communist revolution in north korea
1949 chinese communist revolution
1954 communist sieze power in north vietnam (the whole country is communist by 1976)
1959 cuban communist revolution
1974 communist take over ethiopia
1975 communism in laos and cambodia
1979 communism in nicaragua

”it’s never been tried”

Workers owning the means of production has never happened, you know, like how you just agreed in the post before saying the same exact thing but you couldn't help yourself to post "the meme". Marx never wrote about government ownership and totalitarianism which is what the examples are that you're posting.

 

[Cannavore]

The communist manifesto is like a 15 page pamphlet Marx's real revolutionary critiques of capitalism is found in his work Das Kapital.

 

[Cannavore]

I have read parts but never bothered to read it start to finish, if that is what you are asking. No need to read the damned thing from cover to cover to figure out that Karl Marx was a fraud in the service of his Rothschild relatives. Bakunin called him out during the international without even realizing they where cousins.

"Bakunins racist anti semetic nonsense backs up my existing worldview about muh global jewish conspiracies"

 

[Three Berries]

Sure would be my bet that anyone who advocates a communistic society has never lived in one. Can't judge a book by it's cover.

And they have never read any history of communistic societies.

And if they say "it's never been truly implemented" then why not?