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moose eater

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While the leader Maduro stuffs his fat face, lol.

Leaders in Harlem, Flint, Michigan, East Los Angeles, and Chicago, where poverty is often rampant, also stuff their fat faces, too. Same for the former Soviet Union and New Delhi, India.

Graft at the top is a phenomenon that transcends ALL political systems at some point.
 

armedoldhippy

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Leaders in Harlem, Flint, Michigan, East Los Angeles, and Chicago, where poverty is often rampant, also stuff their fat faces, too. Same for the former Soviet Union and New Delhi, India.

Graft at the top is a phenomenon that transcends ALL political systems at some point.

yeah, never heard of the president of ANYWHERE going broke or starving...
 

'Boogieman'

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Leaders in Harlem, Flint, Michigan, East Los Angeles, and Chicago, where poverty is often rampant, also stuff their fat faces, too. Same for the former Soviet Union and New Delhi, India.

Graft at the top is a phenomenon that transcends ALL political systems at some point.

The only people in Chicago and elsewhere eating out of dumpsters is homeless people with a drug problem, life is what you make it in America.
 

JKD

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Remember after the GFC? Not all homelessness is drug related. There have to be opportunities before you can take them.
 
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'Boogieman'

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Not at all like the rich people who can afford their drug problems.

I know people who use drugs and pay their bills, and others I knew became homeless, some loved the street life others were at the very bottom. You can find a McDonald's receipt, turn it in, say they messed up your order and get a free meal. Fact is if your homeless in America eating out of dumpsters your probably not very street savy. There are many from other countries who will never have it as easy as we do. Life is what you make it in America.
 

moose eater

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The only people in Chicago and elsewhere eating out of dumpsters is homeless people with a drug problem, life is what you make it in America.

I ate out of a dumpster and second-hand food in Kodiak in 1978 and early 1979; I didn't have a drug problem, unless not having drugs is considered a problem, and in that case, it might've been.

John Wayne's approach to life sounded great on the silver screen, but the reality of poverty, however temporary or long-term, defies his and your over-simplification of life.
 

'Boogieman'

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Remember after the GFC? Not all homelessness is drug related. There have to be opportunities before you can take them.

It's never been easier to get a job right now. The opportunities are everywhere. Factories are hiring people of any race right out of prison or work release. The only people who don't know this probably have retired.
 

moose eater

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It's never been easier to get a job right now. The opportunities are everywhere. Factories are hiring people of any race right out of prison or work release. The only people who don't know this probably have retired.

ALL factories? what about places that don't have any factories?
 

'Boogieman'

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I ate out of a dumpster and second-hand food in Kodiak in 1978 and early 1979; I didn't have a drug problem, unless not having drugs is considered a problem, and in that case, it might've been.

John Wayne's approach to life sounded great on the silver screen, but the reality of poverty, however temporary or long-term, defies his and your over-simplification of life.

Im no angel, used drugs in my early 20's, I was hopping around in Chicago, sleeping at "friends" houses or on occasion in baseball dugouts or under the tracks because they had a roof and I was in a jam. I turned in receipts for everything from McDonald's to pizza hut for a free meal, or just stealing it from gas stations. I had friends die on me and everything in between. I pulled myself out of it. Hopped from job to job and occasionally slipped up, my biggest wake up was working in a prison doing mechanical work, I realized that could be me one day. I truly believe life is what you make it, I could have made better choices, I fucked up a 100k a year job I had at one point, but im still happy to be alive and thankful for what I have and I will work very hard to keep what little slice I have.
 

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I'd simply arrived in Kodiak with MAYBE $20 in my pocket, bought a pair of jeans and a kerosene lantern, and shortly thereafter I moved into a WWII bunker behind Boy Scout Lake, where I would hitch-hike into town looking for work, or go into the cannery break rooms, pretend to be an employee, and we (I and another(s))would scarf on the most healthy cookies we could spot; typically the oatmeal raisin, walnut windmill cookies.

At the B&B bar, I'd take a paper cup of the free hot water, add a few packets of the free condiment ketchup, some Creamora (oil based powdered creamer substitute), a bit of salt, some black pepper, and there you had it; hobo's cream of tomato soup. When you're losing weight like water off a duck's back, cannery cookies and the quasi-tomato soup fill the void until such time as you can dig clams, or score some food from the trash behind the restaurants.

Then there were the other 'squatters' who'd been run out of the WWII bunkers before my arrival; they often scattered, leaving food stashes on cliff-side tent areas, in other more clandestine WWII bunkers, etc., etc. Scraping a LOT of blue mold off of what was left of a 2-lb. brick of 'well-aged' Tillamook medium cheddar, or sifting spruce needles out of a box of instant mashed potatoes left in the woods, or slicing limited mold from an unfrosted grocery store sheet cake that I found. Sugary items with lots of preservatives mold far less than cheese.

While I certainly used some drugs before and after that time, I had no drugs to use, other than what others shared; typically some weed, Thai stick, or hash. At least at that time.

Some Dead Heads from California (fondly referred to in the area of the bunkers as 'The leaping Gnomes from Acid House', and with good reason) shared some LSD a time or 2.

Again, otherwise there was no debilitating drug problem, not at all.

There was poverty from arriving in a new place, trying to locate a person who'd ripped off some good folks in the UP of Michigan, and needing someplace to go other than the Yukon Territory, as my time there had run out.

Life happens. That's all it is and was, and there's MANY persons out there who are either in such straits for short term, or long term, and they are often trying to change that, despite the cynical rap others lay on them.
 
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h.h.

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Im no angel, used drugs in my early 20's, I was hopping around in Chicago, sleeping at "friends" houses or on occasion in baseball dugouts or under the tracks because they had a roof and I was in a jam. I turned in receipts for everything from McDonald's to pizza hut for a free meal, or just stealing it from gas stations. I had friends die on me and everything in between. I pulled myself out of it. Hopped from job to job and occasionally slipped up, my biggest wake up was working in a prison doing mechanical work, I realized that could be me one day. I truly believe life is what you make it, I could have made better choices, I fucked up a 100k a year job I had at one point, but im still happy to be alive and thankful for what I have and I will work very hard to keep what little slice I have.

While you fell through the cracks, your friends, gas station owners, McDonald’s even bore the weight. A social safety network would have helped them. It’s a society thing.
 

h.h.

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I know people who use drugs and pay their bills, and others I knew became homeless, some loved the street life others were at the very bottom. You can find a McDonald's receipt, turn it in, say they messed up your order and get a free meal. Fact is if your homeless in America eating out of dumpsters your probably not very street savy. There are many from other countries who will never have it as easy as we do. Life is what you make it in America.

You can get away with a lot , if you don’t look homeless. After awhile they’re bound to recognize you. The longer you’re on the street, the less likely you’ll get away with it and the less likely you are to rely on pranks.
Besides it’s actually fraud. I have more respect for the dumpster divers.
That’s only a short term solution. It doesn’t help you out and it doesn’t get you off the street. It just gets you through another day. It’s not the way to get by in America. It’s not fair to McDonald’s to expect them to bear the burden created by the lack of governance.
 

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Besides it’s actually fraud. I have more respect for the dumpster divers.

i will never understand why McDs and other places put their left-overs in the dumpster. i'm sure some lawyer that would not be caught dead eating there advised them to do so. hell, donate it all to local food bank if you just don't want them rooting through your dumpster. we waste so much food in this country...
 

h.h.

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i will never understand why McDs and other places put their left-overs in the dumpster. i'm sure some lawyer that would not be caught dead eating there advised them to do so. hell, donate it all to local food bank if you just don't want them rooting through your dumpster. we waste so much food in this country...

Places like KFC used to give it away for the asking. Bakeries were a good source of leftovers.
 

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- as kids - we would be sure to be around the fruit/veg market - just after they closed down - late in the day - and root around in what was left over by the traders - we always found some salvageable food to take back to the family - we had fruit and veg every day -

- 55 years later - just last night - I passed thru the same market - and sure enough - there is discarded but edible fruit and vegetables there to be had - same as it was over half a century ago -

- surplus of food = no-one starves - so long as you can get it before it rots -
 

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