JJScorpio said:
Just a 5k SCROG grow is a full-time job, 6 days a week, and throw in spidermites and you're working 7/7.
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Commercial growing and New growers
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Just a 5k SCROG grow is a full-time job, 6 days a week, and throw in spidermites and you're working 7/7.
I took a bit of a break off ICmag the last few weeks, and now I have taken a bit of time to review what has been posted here.......
There seems to be some debate about how commercial growing hurts rather than helps the legalization movement.....
The fact of the matter is that even though more and more people in this world are softening their views of Cannabis, most people do not smoke it, and probably could really give a rats ass whether it is legalized or not, and many others are for its continued erradication and persecution.
Getting the general public on our side is the goal, many people now know that Cannabis is not the dangerous drug that the governement has tried to show, but there is lots of work left to do.
Cannabis is unlike Cocaine, Meth, and Heroin because it can be produced by just about anyone, just about anywhere. Most other controled substances require a network to smuggle, and process the product or base ingredients, making them often tied to organized crime, but Cannabis can be grown at home, in the closet, or backyard, it reqires no conections to gangsters and other shady types.
Part of the reason many folks have soft opinions on Cannabis is because it is not inherently dangerous to a persons health, and also because it rarely incourages activity of organized crime(because its not worth as much as most controled substances), people rarely are murdered over Cannabis deals, unlike Cocaine or Meth. Basicly, Cannabis isn't destructive to the community(as a whole) it inhabits like many dangerous drugs are. This is why legalization movements are more likely for Cannabis than say for Heroin.
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Now, this brings us to a thing called the "Police growth industry", this is basicly the buisiness of getting more funding for unneeded Police by scaring the public with percieved dangers which may or may not be entirely true.
Everyone has read news stories where some Police official is describing the latest Marijuana bust, where 1000 plants, each worth $7000 "on the street", for a total of 7 million dollars street value, has been busted. The Policeman proudly declares that this dangerous drug will not make it into the hands of our children.
The publicity of these huge busts are used as propaganda to "prove" to the public that Marijuana is a big industry, run by greedy criminal types, and truthfully some are these days. People make a conection between Cannabis and organized crime, and are more than happy to see more tax dollars go to more Police to deal with the problem. Thus you have more Police growth.
The Police love big time growers/dealers/smugglers, busting them often is very little work for the return in funding. The Police are not interested in busting Joe Blow with his 4 plants in the closet or backyard, even if they exagerate the worth of his crop of a pound or so, $7000 is not as sexy as $70,000 or $7,000,000.
The key to legalizing Cannabis is to convert more smokers into growers, to decentralize the supply, to make it less efficent for the Police to bust, to Overwhelm or Overgrow them in effect.
Commercial growing and abuse of medical growing privliges helps the Police and the prohitbitionists to keep us down, please grow your own, and keep your greed under control!!!
There seems to be some debate about how commercial growing hurts rather than helps the legalization movement.....
The fact of the matter is that even though more and more people in this world are softening their views of Cannabis, most people do not smoke it, and probably could really give a rats ass whether it is legalized or not, and many others are for its continued erradication and persecution.
Getting the general public on our side is the goal, many people now know that Cannabis is not the dangerous drug that the governement has tried to show, but there is lots of work left to do.
Cannabis is unlike Cocaine, Meth, and Heroin because it can be produced by just about anyone, just about anywhere. Most other controled substances require a network to smuggle, and process the product or base ingredients, making them often tied to organized crime, but Cannabis can be grown at home, in the closet, or backyard, it reqires no conections to gangsters and other shady types.
Part of the reason many folks have soft opinions on Cannabis is because it is not inherently dangerous to a persons health, and also because it rarely incourages activity of organized crime(because its not worth as much as most controled substances), people rarely are murdered over Cannabis deals, unlike Cocaine or Meth. Basicly, Cannabis isn't destructive to the community(as a whole) it inhabits like many dangerous drugs are. This is why legalization movements are more likely for Cannabis than say for Heroin.
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Now, this brings us to a thing called the "Police growth industry", this is basicly the buisiness of getting more funding for unneeded Police by scaring the public with percieved dangers which may or may not be entirely true.
Everyone has read news stories where some Police official is describing the latest Marijuana bust, where 1000 plants, each worth $7000 "on the street", for a total of 7 million dollars street value, has been busted. The Policeman proudly declares that this dangerous drug will not make it into the hands of our children.
The publicity of these huge busts are used as propaganda to "prove" to the public that Marijuana is a big industry, run by greedy criminal types, and truthfully some are these days. People make a conection between Cannabis and organized crime, and are more than happy to see more tax dollars go to more Police to deal with the problem. Thus you have more Police growth.
The Police love big time growers/dealers/smugglers, busting them often is very little work for the return in funding. The Police are not interested in busting Joe Blow with his 4 plants in the closet or backyard, even if they exagerate the worth of his crop of a pound or so, $7000 is not as sexy as $70,000 or $7,000,000.
The key to legalizing Cannabis is to convert more smokers into growers, to decentralize the supply, to make it less efficent for the Police to bust, to Overwhelm or Overgrow them in effect.
Commercial growing and abuse of medical growing privliges helps the Police and the prohitbitionists to keep us down, please grow your own, and keep your greed under control!!!
G
Guest
My sole purpose in growing was to deprive others of my $$$$$$$$$$! There will always be a commercial market, but we can reduce their profits and improve our own budgets by growing our own.
"Commercial growing and abuse of medical growing privliges helps the Police and the prohitbitionists to keep us down, please grow your own, and keep your greed under control!!!" says BACKCOUNTRY. How right on he is. Big phukin difference betweeen dreams and greed.
The quality of smoke in my area has been in the toilet for many years. Controlled by Latinos. Where it comes from is questionable. And how it is grown is even more so.
By using all the tools provided by this site, most especially the forums input by experienced growers, my $$$$$$$$$$ will be put to better use. Most importantly, growing my own takes out the "unknown" factors.
As pointed out, there are many risks involved in any size grow. The penalties include "trafficking" the bigger the grow. My future doesn't include becoming anyone's BITCH!
"Commercial growing and abuse of medical growing privliges helps the Police and the prohitbitionists to keep us down, please grow your own, and keep your greed under control!!!" says BACKCOUNTRY. How right on he is. Big phukin difference betweeen dreams and greed.
The quality of smoke in my area has been in the toilet for many years. Controlled by Latinos. Where it comes from is questionable. And how it is grown is even more so.
By using all the tools provided by this site, most especially the forums input by experienced growers, my $$$$$$$$$$ will be put to better use. Most importantly, growing my own takes out the "unknown" factors.
As pointed out, there are many risks involved in any size grow. The penalties include "trafficking" the bigger the grow. My future doesn't include becoming anyone's BITCH!
So so sad when ya really think about it & what its been forced to become...
G
Guest
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BACKCOUNTRY again.
You can train a commercial grower to grow weed commercially in a few months but can will take years to train a gardener how to farm, whether it's weed or tomatoes.
Growing at a commercial scale is a team effort requiring specialized roles and technical knowledge, much different from small grows. I'd recommend consulting a pro horticulturist or, better yet, bringing one on as a partner
Growing at a commercial scale is a team effort requiring specialized roles and technical knowledge, much different from small grows. I'd recommend consulting a pro horticulturist or, better yet, bringing one on as a partner
May I just take this opportunity to raise my glass in a toast to the fabled guerrilla grower called Back Country, who one hopes, is still walking the path less traveled way the puck out there in the hollers and hidey holes of Oregon's pristine wilderness, cultivating choice buds of prodigious strength and quality, and maybe even stopping by the IC Mag forum every once in a while.
This Bud's fer you, Back Country, wherever you are. May the FORCE walk with you.
This Bud's fer you, Back Country, wherever you are. May the FORCE walk with you.
SilentFeet
Member
Yeah, wonder where he went?
Not many guerilla's around. Sure there are people posting pics of outdoor grows, but they aren't guerilla, they are grown in their backyard.
I am going to visit some spots that I haven't used for several years and hopefully get them ready for a late guerilla this year.
I will probably have to mend fences; dig holes and put in new posts and replace chicken wire that has probably rusted.
Won't plant till start of second month of summer, that has been my modus operandi in the past. Smaller plants but they are out there less time to get discovered, and less time for the termites to find them and eat them.
Strains will be Bubba's Gift x Black widow, an early maturer that can be taken at 6 weeks or a bit longer. Also 707 Truthband x Black Widow, one I haven't grown out yet. Also a few C-Plus F3's which I haven't grown to flower but I had one outdoors last spring which got found by a ripper so I pulled it up, but I remember it was very vigourous in veg.
Will be doing the work in the heat of summer instead of winter or early spring when it should be done, but I have started on a fitness program so I can handle it.
Fitness training for the guerilla is something that is underestimated.
Not many guerilla's around. Sure there are people posting pics of outdoor grows, but they aren't guerilla, they are grown in their backyard.
I am going to visit some spots that I haven't used for several years and hopefully get them ready for a late guerilla this year.
I will probably have to mend fences; dig holes and put in new posts and replace chicken wire that has probably rusted.
Won't plant till start of second month of summer, that has been my modus operandi in the past. Smaller plants but they are out there less time to get discovered, and less time for the termites to find them and eat them.
Strains will be Bubba's Gift x Black widow, an early maturer that can be taken at 6 weeks or a bit longer. Also 707 Truthband x Black Widow, one I haven't grown out yet. Also a few C-Plus F3's which I haven't grown to flower but I had one outdoors last spring which got found by a ripper so I pulled it up, but I remember it was very vigourous in veg.
Will be doing the work in the heat of summer instead of winter or early spring when it should be done, but I have started on a fitness program so I can handle it.
Fitness training for the guerilla is something that is underestimated.
Hoypare.
Well-known member
Commercial growing isnt just about growing,the plants are the easy partYou can train a commercial grower to grow weed commercially in a few months but can will take years to train a gardener how to farm, whether it's weed or tomatoes.
Growing at a commercial scale is a team effort requiring specialized roles and technical knowledge, much different from small grows. I'd recommend consulting a pro horticulturist or, better yet, bringing one on as a partner
Just starting my 3rd season guerilla outdoor (I'm in the southern hemisphere).
Having been a long time indoor grower who always wanted to go outdoor, I can't believe how much work is involved far exceeded any expectations and my dream of growing a 1lb plant let alone some of monsters I see here is still a loong way from fruition. Can't imagine the work required to grow even 20lbs let alone 100.
Outdoor pot is very rare in most parts of Australia now unless you're in or near North or Central NSW coastal areas
Having been a long time indoor grower who always wanted to go outdoor, I can't believe how much work is involved far exceeded any expectations and my dream of growing a 1lb plant let alone some of monsters I see here is still a loong way from fruition. Can't imagine the work required to grow even 20lbs let alone 100.
Outdoor pot is very rare in most parts of Australia now unless you're in or near North or Central NSW coastal areas
SilentFeet
Member
Forget about 1 pound plants if you are doing guerilla; it's better to have more smaller one's.
Sure you could cart in heaps of soil amendments and water them everyday so you may get a 1 pound plant, but all those trips mean a high likelihood of being spotted and tipping off rippers or LE.
Most guerilla environments are not able to grow one pound plants.
Better looking at about 3 oz per plant and put in a lot of them in different areas.
The number one most important crucial thing in an outdoor guerrilla grow is year round water. A summer spent carrying water is horrible. Just because there's plenty of water in early spring does not mean it will be there in the summer. Best time to look for guerrilla spots is August September when the vegetation has dried up. A lot of places that look lush and fertile in spring will look like a desert in late summer.
Solid point. Things look much different in the fall. Lots of people don't realize this.
Hoypare.
Well-known member
Depends upon the country and area your growing,when i grew in UK no watering was usually needed,besides rivers,streams etc the water table was usually pretty high,got some great pics of watering a 400+ plant plot with a pump and hose,heres a small pump that never had to be used plotted up at a grow
Julians big outdoor grow thread is packed full of good advice.Attachments
Ethan Zachary
Member
Agreed, except..
High plant weight and low numbers is easier to maintain and safer in case something goes wrong. The number of plants = the sentence
