Commercial growing and New growers

[Ganico]

OK, change my post to "75 plants"

Now argue your point.

???

I don't really know what you mean. Same thing really, a little less worse though.
I ain't trying to argue any points though, haha. Just thought your numbers were kinda overzealous

Oh, and as far as folks planning on growing "commercially" but don't have a way to get rid of it, that's just retarded. I really never even considered people doing such a thing. I mean if they had that little sense, then what can you do. Folks these days, I tell ya. Life is not the movie "Half Baked"

 

[guest123]

my advice would be to grow a legal crop of something first ,, just so u know what its like to grow large amounts of something ..
go work in a nursery for a while or something like that ,, cannabis is only a plant ,, it needs much the same things as any other plant ...
when u understand how to grow vegetables , fruit trees ,,, etc on a larger scale,, u should have no problem growing cannabis that way also ...
generally id imagine it taking more than one season to become proficient , and every year is a lesson and more info to go on with next time ...
understanding plants and what they need is the first thing to learn ...

 

[Guest]

excellent post wally duck!

 

[yamaha_1fan]

So to those that have never grown outdoors but want to give it a shot next year, theres no advice? Do I need to show my DL to proove I am not 18?

Some people do know its hard work and lots of it. But some of us are fortunate enough to be able to make our own schedules and not be tied to a 9-5 job. So next year I would like to try hitting some outdoor spots.

 

[Guest]

So to those that have never grown outdoors but want to give it a shot next year, theres no advice? Do I need to show my DL to proove I am not 18?

Some people do know its hard work and lots of it. But some of us are fortunate enough to be able to make our own schedules and not be tied to a 9-5 job. So next year I would like to try hitting some outdoor spots.

there is lots of advice for you right here .. please be encouraged, because depending on how you & mother nature treats your season the potential is very sweet indeed....

 

[Guest]

I don't get you guys!?
Grow fruit trees to learn how to grow commercial cannabis?!
Harm the movement?!
Have trouble getting rid of it?!

Personally I have never heard of a newb who has grown too much pot and doesn't know what to do with it...either way, that sounds like a good thing to me. Lucky newb. I'd shake his hand and congradulate him. It's not hard making good connections if your sitting on 150lbs of pot. I'd say take your time selling it, next thing you know it'll be gone.
And having a newb say to cops that the weed made them stupid? I would surely do the same if I got busted. You think I would protect the "movement" or my family??? How many of those newbs do you see on the news???

And the 200 plants thing, 200 plants is nothing at all, no sweat, I can plant 200 plants and spend 1 day planting in the spring, and then a second day harvesting in the fall. No need to quit your day job. And that in a 20x20 foot plot with choppers flying up above. Some of us have access to large forested public land, works like a charm. The ammount of plants has nothing to do with the overall workload, the final harvest on the other hand does, but also experience. If you want 200 plant to yield 100 pounds then you better get your grow dialed in real good. Also you'll want to purchase a gas pump, a roto-tiller or auger, some good slow release nutes, some water crystals, maybe even an automatic irrigation system. Depends where you live.
But if you don't know any of that and are truely a newb, then by all means go plant those 200 plants wherever you can, get dropped off, don't park your car there and have some fun, you'll be lucky to get 4 pounds but will learn a ton of knowledge. If you get busted at your patch....RUN!

 

[Guest]

I don't get you guys!?

lots of good people and lots of good growers here ... also lots of shake that you don't really want ...

peace to you and keep posting .... you have knowlegde to share and this is the place to do that

star crash

 

[hamstring]

In my opinion of around 11 years of growing experience all outdoors I am still a newbie as far as I am concerned. I do not agree that 200 plants is not hard. I think it is close to impossible if you have a 9-5 job and a family also. I have to be at kids sporting events on the weekends and birthdays as well as the entire relative’s birthdays and sporting events. 200 plants are you crazy and I believe the exact opposite of what a newbie (like myself) should take from this thread

. I would love to finish with 20 plants a year each plant over a ½ lb. The amount of work put into it is crazy. Watering and nutes and hole preparation. I am not sure where everyone grows but if I did not use Serin or some other pesticide I would be left with a bunch of corn borers and not much bud. The bud left would smoke like dried leaves.

It takes me a min of 2 hrs to take care of a plot of 10 every 2-3weeks during veg time and that 2hrs does not include time into and out of the plot.

Removing vegetation that infests my grow every two weeks then watering and feeding then spraying for insects and having the sprayer clog every 2 seconds. Then comes budding and tying up because large plants break branches with large buds and wind or rain. Monitoring for the males and list goes on and on.

Harvest is even worse during hunting season and trying to find the time to harvest at all with school staring for your kids every weekend is something.

Try and fit 200 plants into being a full time worker and Dad and Husband because my family and job comes before my hobby or I would not have a hobby. You must be kidding yourself or work part time have no wife or kids and live 600 miles from family to do 200 plants.


I also agree that getting rid of large amounts would be hard. I don’t know about you but I am a very boring normal everyday Joe Shmoe. I am not hanging around with hippies or large buyers. I am busy at school events and the dreaded shopping with the wife. I mean who isn’t come on!!! How the hell do you find time to build a distribution when you’re tending 200 plants. Please tell who are you guys who can do this and still maintain a normal family life.
I have a very finite group of friends and if you are over 40 you understand that group shrinks as the years pass. Getting rid of 50lbs would be crazy with the people I know.

I work alone and 200 plants is just talk that’s what a newbie should know. The truth is not everyone that plays baseball can be a major leaguer. Quite the opposite and anyone who says its ok to dream can keep dreaming as they devote too much time to the hobby and not enough time to life.

Peace.

 

[motaco]

I never said the kid would say he was stupid. I said the police would say it was pot that made him stupid. and how often do you see those kids on the news?

well judging by some posts in these forums I'd say a few more this year. get my drift?

and anytime kids do stupid shit because of pot it sends a bad message about the rest of us. I don't see why that is so crazy or what you don't get.

but judging by your "planting 200 plants is no problem at all, just do it in spring and harvest in fall, I live right by national forest area with helicopters" etc etc it sounds like I might be seeing you on the news too.

so you've planted 200 plants in spring and harvested in fall no problem huh?
all the truly good guerilla growers never seem to have pics of their amazing easy sucess. I've noticed that through the years.

Reibisi does about 200 at a time and I don't think he'd call it easy money.

Moving the weed is easy depending on who you are. Years ago a friend from highschool was moving 50lbs of kind bud a week for months before he got caught. and not caught selling- caught driving it. and it was nowhere near enough weed for even a small city.

but if you're a regular joe with two friends that buy quarter sacks once or twice a month it might not be easy to safely sell 100+ lbs of weed.

and wally never said grow fruit trees. he said work at a nursery or a farm to see what growing a big crop is really like. and its damn good advice.

I'm not telling new growers not to dream big or to not grow commercial. just don't get too big for your britches. crawl, walk, then run.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

In my opinion of around 11 years of growing experience all outdoors I am still a newbie as far as I am concerned. I do not agree that 200 plants is not hard. I think it is close to impossible if you have a 9-5 job and a family also. I have to be at kids sporting events on the weekends and birthdays as well as the entire relative’s birthdays and sporting events. 200 plants are you crazy and I believe the exact opposite of what a newbie (like myself) should take from this thread

. I would love to finish with 20 plants a year each plant over a ½ lb. The amount of work put into it is crazy. Watering and nutes and hole preparation. I am not sure where everyone grows but if I did not use Serin or some other pesticide I would be left with a bunch of corn borers and not much bud. The bud left would smoke like dried leaves.

It takes me a min of 2 hrs to take care of a plot of 10 every 2-3weeks during veg time and that 2hrs does not include time into and out of the plot.

Removing vegetation that infests my grow every two weeks then watering and feeding then spraying for insects and having the sprayer clog every 2 seconds. Then comes budding and tying up because large plants break branches with large buds and wind or rain. Monitoring for the males and list goes on and on.

Harvest is even worse during hunting season and trying to find the time to harvest at all with school staring for your kids every weekend is something.

Try and fit 200 plants into being a full time worker and Dad and Husband because my family and job comes before my hobby or I would not have a hobby. You must be kidding yourself or work part time have no wife or kids and live 600 miles from family to do 200 plants.


I also agree that getting rid of large amounts would be hard. I don’t know about you but I am a very boring normal everyday Joe Shmoe. I am not hanging around with hippies or large buyers. I am busy at school events and the dreaded shopping with the wife. I mean who isn’t come on!!! How the hell do you find time to build a distribution when you’re tending 200 plants. Please tell who are you guys who can do this and still maintain a normal family life.
I have a very finite group of friends and if you are over 40 you understand that group shrinks as the years pass. Getting rid of 50lbs would be crazy with the people I know.

I work alone and 200 plants is just talk that’s what a newbie should know. The truth is not everyone that plays baseball can be a major leaguer. Quite the opposite and anyone who says its ok to dream can keep dreaming as they devote too much time to the hobby and not enough time to life.

Peace.

I am in the same boat, kid is big into sports and I coach (great role model I am ) HOWEVER I own a business which I can leave my wife at for weeks at a time and maybe a cellphone call 4-5 times a day. So my plot would be my F/T job if need me


Just wanted you guys to realize not everyone coming in here is some 18 y/o looking to get rich. But it might be a 30isg guy looking to get rich or at least get some mtg money!!!

 

[Guest]

75 or 200, no matter. It will take a crew to chop, transport, and TRIM all of that green. Then you have to hang and dry the product and properly preserve the goods for sale.

 

[guest123]

I don't get you guys!?
Grow fruit trees to learn how to grow commercial cannabis?!
Harm the movement?!
Have trouble getting rid of it?!

Personally I have never heard of a newb who has grown too much pot and doesn't know what to do with it...either way, that sounds like a good thing to me. Lucky newb. I'd shake his hand and congradulate him. It's not hard making good connections if your sitting on 150lbs of pot. I'd say take your time selling it, next thing you know it'll be gone.
And having a newb say to cops that the weed made them stupid? I would surely do the same if I got busted. You think I would protect the "movement" or my family??? How many of those newbs do you see on the news???

And the 200 plants thing, 200 plants is nothing at all, no sweat, I can plant 200 plants and spend 1 day planting in the spring, and then a second day harvesting in the fall. No need to quit your day job. And that in a 20x20 foot plot with choppers flying up above. Some of us have access to large forested public land, works like a charm. The ammount of plants has nothing to do with the overall workload, the final harvest on the other hand does, but also experience. If you want 200 plant to yield 100 pounds then you better get your grow dialed in real good. Also you'll want to purchase a gas pump, a roto-tiller or auger, some good slow release nutes, some water crystals, maybe even an automatic irrigation system. Depends where you live.
But if you don't know any of that and are truely a newb, then by all means go plant those 200 plants wherever you can, get dropped off, don't park your car there and have some fun, you'll be lucky to get 4 pounds but will learn a ton of knowledge. If you get busted at your patch....RUN!

mm lucky we got so many experts around here , im in awe of your 2 day marathon ,, hats off to u mate , u must be super human .... we really need someone with your knowhow in the outdoor section could save us all so much time and effort ... please contribute where u can freely , , we are all ears ...
ohhh a pic or 2 might help too ,, got any????

 

[Guest]

Ever seen a 1lbs plant?
Ever seen a 1g plant?

Please don't answer this, you guys have me finally convinced.
I'm out of here for good.

ps. To all you Newbs, don't beleive everything you read on the internet.

 

[motaco]

^^^^ very true. lots of people are 100% full of shit. and an equal amount 75% full of sht.

 

[Dignan]

Sorry to see people go over this, though admittedly there is some tension here.

Few thoughts:

A. Outdoor growers, of ALL PEOPLE, should know how much everyone's situation varies. Running (for instance! Just for instance!) 100 plants in some locations with adequate rain and other favorable conditions could indeed be done with relatively little labor involved.

I absolutely believe there are people on here who can pop seeds, turn the soil, plop in 100 seedlings and just disappear for the summer other than a couple visits to cull males. (Hell, who says you need to cull males even?)

B. Depending on your location and methods, it is entirely 100% absolutely feasible to expect a variation in gardens that would account for Person A getting 3 ounces per plant with tons of work involved and Person B getting 1 lb per plant with hardly any effort at all. *I have friends like that.

C. Harvesting and processing is (most often) where the man hours start to come into play (unless you're me and growing in the desert, then you work your ass off from May through October, LOL).

D. As a newb (10 years ago) who was and is (a) a moderate smoker and (b) not surrounded by 3 dozen pothead friends, i.e. I live a very normal life with a full-time job, wife, kids, mortgage, friends of the same mind... I can say that every single harvest since the first one I have had more bud than I can use. And thus, more bud than I can comfortably and easily get rid of.

I do sell/trade the extra, I always freely admit, and year after year, it continues to be a challenge. Bud does not just fly out the door, as many believe... at least not when you live a normal life surrounded by others who are living normal lives and you aren't a "dealer" and have no regular "customers".

In my mind, most people who I'd call "newbs" (new to the scene altogether) are going to be in that same boat, unless they are merely "newbs" to cultivation but have a rich history of buying/selling and they surround themselves with dozens of stoner friends. In that case, yea, getting rid of bud would be relatively easy, though risky.

But for someone who hasn't sold in the past and isn't surrounded by people buying, trying to get rid of even a couple LBs of weed is very challenging and usually takes 3-4 months, IME.

Peace my outdoor peeps!

Dignan

 

[Dignan]

Well I don't know about all that,haha. Plus, when you are in the field, there's nowhere to go. Get caught at a plot and you're ****ed, regardless. Not like just catching a charge for a sack or whatever you have on you in the "street"

And 125 lbs???? Ha! That's assuming all 200 were fems and got 10oz a piece (they wouldn't here unless a special cutting or something, in which case they'd most likely be huge trees and too noticeable), which is no small feat in itself to have 200 1/2+lb plants.

Hey Gan!

My point with this here ^^^ is that, the risk in both cultivation and selling comes from other people. It's all about people, who knows, and what they know. The more people who know, the greater the risk. We all know that 20% of busts come from police stumbling upon a grow or dealer... but 80% come from a person ratting someone out, getting revenge, etc.

Growing outdoors, the same is true. You aren't going to get busted until another human lays eyes on your grow. There's always that risk.

With dealing, you aren't going to get busted until another human decides to take you down, whether it's the police or a customer, or a friend, etc... But you can't sell without coming into contact with other people. The more you sell the more people you have to cross tracks with, usually. (Unless you're selling to some kind of broker or something... not a reality in most of the United States.)

Every single person that knows what you do and has a bag of yours (or anything illegal) is a potential liability. They drive away from a transaction, get pulled over for smelling like weed, get popped, get scared... oops.

The penalty for getting busted tending a plot of 100 plants is greater than the penalty of getting busted selling someone a 1/2 ounce bag... but the RISK of getting caught selling is far greater than the risk of getting caught growing 100 plants. All you gotta do is look in the paper at who gets busted to verify that.

Great discussion, by the way. Again, sure sucks to see members leave the forums over something so silly.

Dig

 

[motaco]

I don't worry about it. newbs need to learn. not post craziness and leave when people don't believe them.

 

[hamstring]

Dignan
Hey man right on the money for me.

That’s one of the points I was trying to make. Even when I do have a good year and have some to get rid of to cover next years venture its not easy. I know maybe 6-7 people who are true pot smokers and might take a stab at selling some but (don’t know never asked) it’s so hard to make that decision to take that chance. Your not growing enough to make a living so do you take the chance to f*** up your current job/living. I battle with it all the time.

The “what ifs”. What if I grew enough to sell a few lbs I could invest it or take the misses on well-deserved vacation that a middle class guy never gets the chance to do.

I look at it like this:
I made a thousand mistakes to get to where I am in my growing career and I am sure it would take a few mistakes to be able to form the relationships it takes to get rid of lets say 5 – 10 lbs.
I am paraphrasing you here. Growing involves one person and his own mistakes. Selling takes your mistakes the guy you handing off too and the guy he is handing off to. I would venture to say it would be the square of mistakes (I like math). 4 mistakes for growing equals 16 mistakes for selling.

Like you , I do not now anyone who can get rid of that amount in a timely manner. The longer your holding the more chance something or someone comes back on you.

It’s hard to justify the risk/reward formula for selling any larger amount . That being said I have never been so lucky as to pull of a 10 lb grow either and if I was I bet I would turn myself into a hypocrite and give it a try. I,m not at too much risk been 11 years of growing and never pulled in more than 3- 4 lbs.

 

[Guest]

i've had crops that i labor over (mostly) and also "wild" plants that grew to perfection literally without my help ... that is a fact, but it depends on the seasonal conditions.. in the north east it can be hot & dry, or cool and wet, so mother nature makes the call

 

[gobbler3447]

BackCountry, Cottonmouth, and all others who have (IMHO) knowledge and wisdom, will usually not be listened to, nor will their advice be heeded. Pie in the sky dreams, appeal to novices in any endeavor, visions of grandeur, give them preceptions of being heros to all of their friends, they would be the center of attention, boosting their self worth. I was suprised that sensible people filled the first page and most of the second, then those, who knew more, and could fill volums with dreams, plans and sceems stepped in.. For those peeps, I see them following politicians who promise everything but fail to tell you their past performances, their plans and methods to produce those promises. Don't be a dreamer, life will be filled with disappointments, and letdowns. Depend upon yourself, NO ONE ELSE, if you arent willing to face defeat, then rise to be defeated again, and then to raise yourself to a higher level and taste success, you are the one to grow a lb. plant. Without failure, success would somehow taste less sweet. A recent bust in Ms. had 2 latinos( for those who dont know whom I speak of they are "mexican trash" ) 38 lbs hidden in car doors dumb asses. for an estimated value of 38,000 bucks. and they were only transporting, try growing 38 lbs and moving it... I wouldnt buy from you.