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Colors of Infinity
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Thanks OakyJoe!
Tabitha v1.1
Tropical NLD x (Tropical NLD x Connoisseur Hybrid)
Tropical NLD x (Tropical NLD x Connoisseur Hybrid)
Wild Type Pheno @ 63 days flowering...
#3 Structure and Flower @ 63 days
#2 @ 63 days
13 hours of darkness for the last 7 weeks, I was thinking about upping that to 14 maybe here in the next couple weeks.
shoot man, pull up a chair its gonna be a while.
I was thinking of starting some kind of pool contest thread in the landrace forum were we can all wager (with beans or something) on how long they'll take to finish, lol, I think that would be fun while we wait.
shoot man, pull up a chair its gonna be a while.
I was thinking of starting some kind of pool contest thread in the landrace forum were we can all wager (with beans or something) on how long they'll take to finish, lol, I think that would be fun while we wait.Looking great and great description of smell 
Hi Infinitesimal,
I used to experiment with bringing the hours of light down, as low as 10. For a lot of strains it made no difference to the quality, but made it get done faster. For one 17 week long flowering strain, I was able to save 2 weeks flowering time, but it was a ghost of itself as far as potency. I found another poster on ICMAG that concurs with the 11 hours +- 15 min schedule. I'd try to hold out at 11 hours of daylight a day. It looks to be developing nicely, beautiful clean structure so far, at this level.
I like that #2! Nice work.
ThaiBliss
I used to experiment with bringing the hours of light down, as low as 10. For a lot of strains it made no difference to the quality, but made it get done faster. For one 17 week long flowering strain, I was able to save 2 weeks flowering time, but it was a ghost of itself as far as potency. I found another poster on ICMAG that concurs with the 11 hours +- 15 min schedule. I'd try to hold out at 11 hours of daylight a day. It looks to be developing nicely, beautiful clean structure so far, at this level.
I like that #2! Nice work.
ThaiBliss
Looking great and great description of smell
thanks guys,
and I'll head the advice TB, and keep the photoperiod the same, I'ts not like I need to sacrifice yield and especially quality in trade for time
There was an nice article from DJ Short about those Light Schedule and Sativas... Since then i always grow Sativa leaning Plants 13/11 and 14/10....
EDIT: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2600.html
-> Phenotypic expression and so on
EDIT: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2600.html
-> Phenotypic expression and so on
Pretty jealous here.. Would love to have the space to run these types of tropical specimens.. The majority of smells you're describing sound exactly what I want.. Right NOW
Ahh, maybe one day soon......
Looks like you're having fun Infini..
Ahh, maybe one day soon......
Looks like you're having fun Infini..
hey Kal,
yeah I literally OMG everytime i sniff #11 and #12... I would grow them for aroma alone... #12 or a similar but more superior chemotype would be potnetially valuable to the fragrance/flavor industry too IMO.
one of the goals of making this cross was finding and breeding expressions that revitalize the connoisseur hybrid that was used... with relatives to ,if not, its original tropical NLD progenitors... #10-12 encapsulate that pretty well.
providing the terps that most want but have a hard time finding in the original hybrid stock along with the true NLD traits that most connoisseurs desire.... as besides the expense of doing large scale pheno hunting to find the right terp/flavor profile the other big thing I see people complain about is the Wide Leaf influence and the less interesting effects caused by it... so hopefully they are really nice clear ceilingless effects and hopefully the long flowering ones are Trippy! that would make tab v1.1 an overwhelming success in my eyes.
PS. your nostalgia is right on track
hey OJ,
yeah thats in his book too.
yeah I literally OMG everytime i sniff #11 and #12... I would grow them for aroma alone... #12 or a similar but more superior chemotype would be potnetially valuable to the fragrance/flavor industry too IMO.
one of the goals of making this cross was finding and breeding expressions that revitalize the connoisseur hybrid that was used... with relatives to ,if not, its original tropical NLD progenitors... #10-12 encapsulate that pretty well.
providing the terps that most want but have a hard time finding in the original hybrid stock along with the true NLD traits that most connoisseurs desire.... as besides the expense of doing large scale pheno hunting to find the right terp/flavor profile the other big thing I see people complain about is the Wide Leaf influence and the less interesting effects caused by it... so hopefully they are really nice clear ceilingless effects and hopefully the long flowering ones are Trippy! that would make tab v1.1 an overwhelming success in my eyes.
PS. your nostalgia is right on track
hey OJ,
yeah thats in his book too.
the title of his book is Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis... good basic info, more of a keepsake than anything else though.
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There's a growing population of consumers who are waking up to the delights of bona-fide tropical expressions. It's a path less trodden because of its threadbare implications to the pocket.
I agree that smells originating from well selected tropical individuals could be mistaken for chemically enhanced man made fragrances. My preference tends toward sweet flowers. I had an outdoor plant that was unmistakably lavender until cure. Jasmine and ylang-ylang smells also would be very welcome.
These types of flowers will soon require a high price once they are more accessible to the mainstream. Or maybe not; there may never be a market since a lot of preference is also based on 'look'.. Many want tight fat wealthy nugs and would pass pure E. NLD as shwag.. Their loss I guess..
It's nice to see you explore the possibilities..
I agree that smells originating from well selected tropical individuals could be mistaken for chemically enhanced man made fragrances. My preference tends toward sweet flowers. I had an outdoor plant that was unmistakably lavender until cure. Jasmine and ylang-ylang smells also would be very welcome.
These types of flowers will soon require a high price once they are more accessible to the mainstream. Or maybe not; there may never be a market since a lot of preference is also based on 'look'.. Many want tight fat wealthy nugs and would pass pure E. NLD as shwag.. Their loss I guess..
It's nice to see you explore the possibilities..
Fine quality flowers, especially NLD types, have not found their market because money is currently the primary motivating factor. Lots of hybrids include them, however even the best might not be worthwhile for a number of reasons, most of them revolving around marketability.
Some hand-made liquors, like region-specific, boutique Mexican Mescals, go for well over $100 a bottle. Their small output and extra-fine quality will always have a market. So, too, with cannabis flowers that exhibit terpenes and aromas that are intoxicating and fulfilling in themselves. Potency is merely one dimension of cannabis, just like rock-hard buds, and concentrates and extracts will fill that niche much better for the heavy, heavy smokers who never seem to find a cannabis variety that is "strong enough" when imbibed by smoking only the flowers.
As research is showing, whole plant cannabis for overall performance is greater than the sum of its parts. Terpenoids as well as all the canabinoids are critical for determining the final beauty of the sinsemilla flower.
Some hand-made liquors, like region-specific, boutique Mexican Mescals, go for well over $100 a bottle. Their small output and extra-fine quality will always have a market. So, too, with cannabis flowers that exhibit terpenes and aromas that are intoxicating and fulfilling in themselves. Potency is merely one dimension of cannabis, just like rock-hard buds, and concentrates and extracts will fill that niche much better for the heavy, heavy smokers who never seem to find a cannabis variety that is "strong enough" when imbibed by smoking only the flowers.
As research is showing, whole plant cannabis for overall performance is greater than the sum of its parts. Terpenoids as well as all the canabinoids are critical for determining the final beauty of the sinsemilla flower.
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yeah its amazing how "fake" some of these smlls can be... the floral on these is more than just a faint sweet aroma that I will describe as floral, as I feel is the case when most use the descriptoin of floral, this line and the others I have that exhibit floral aromas are uber floral more so than any flower garden I have been in.... a huge patch of honeysuckle is about the only thing I can think of that rivals the intensity of the aroma.
I think the reason there is not much of a market for NLD types is soley due to the prohibition bootlegger era... what is needed is education across all levels, so many poorly constructed miscontrued ideas get passed on as reliable information... such as dense bud = better is just one example to the point where breeders actually select for and brag about their density as a selling point.... LOL
I'm right there with ya, I always use fine wine and spirits to compare the possibilty that fine cannabis has... the only thing is imo there really isnt much fine cannabis around... lots kush and chem which is awesome high grade commercial weed, that gets passed around as something of connoisseurs and is subsequently overpriced (to an extent) when in reaity most people paying that money and waxing on about the qualities of their OG, just have never been exposed to something of equal or greater quality that also displays uniqueness. So I think most people dont even know something else good exists outside the normal hybrids of today.
my solution is to start getting it out there, make a name for it and create the market... if you build they will come and if it smells they will smoke it
In the world of French wines, the Premier Cru Supérieur (Fr: "Superior First Growth") wine is a designation for very special grapes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27Yquem
From Wikipedia:
"Château d'Yquem (French: [ʃɑto d ikɛm]) is a Premier Cru Supérieur (Fr: "Superior First Growth") wine from the Sauternes, Gironde region in the southern part of the Bordeaux vineyards known as Graves. In the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855, Château d'Yquem was the only Sauternes given this rating, indicating its perceived superiority and higher prices over all other wines of its type. Yquem's success stems largely from the site's susceptibility to attack by "noble rot" (Botrytis cinerea).
Wines from Château d'Yquem are characterised by their complexity, concentration and sweetness. A relatively high acidity helps to balance the wine's sweetness. Another characteristic for which Château d'Yquem wines are known is their longevity.[1] With proper care, a bottle will keep for a century or more. During this time, the fruity overtones will gradually fade and integrate with more complex secondary and tertiary flavours.[2]"
Think of this when you hear of growers and breeders like DJ Short mentioning that he only smokes herb that has been bottle cured for over a year. Though wine and cannabis differ immensely, I believe that this is still a useful analogy.
I have some [Warlock x Zamal x Cabeza de Negro (Alex's cut)] that is 19 months old now, kept between 55F - 65F in sealed Mason jars. It was properly "burped" for the first 3-6 months and since then opened only every 4-5 months to snatch out a bud or two.
The difference in taste, aroma, smoothness, and overall high from this extended curing time is phenomenal....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation
The appelation or place of origin that the wine grows is also an important factor concerning coffee and cannabis. Regional environmental factors have shaped the IBLs and landraces to a great degree. Make hybrids from this huge palette and you will have many amazing possibilities, as we all know. Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee must be grown within a specific geographical boundary to use that name and the Wallenford Plantation, the original Blue Mtn. coffee, is shade-grown. Just the differences between those beans and some grown in full sun 5 miles away is quite noticeable....Yes, I have spent time there.......
So someday certain NLD Sativas will rule, especially if they hail from the right geographical area and have been well-cured to allow maximum terpene expression and metamorphosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27Yquem
From Wikipedia:
"Château d'Yquem (French: [ʃɑto d ikɛm]) is a Premier Cru Supérieur (Fr: "Superior First Growth") wine from the Sauternes, Gironde region in the southern part of the Bordeaux vineyards known as Graves. In the Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855, Château d'Yquem was the only Sauternes given this rating, indicating its perceived superiority and higher prices over all other wines of its type. Yquem's success stems largely from the site's susceptibility to attack by "noble rot" (Botrytis cinerea).
Wines from Château d'Yquem are characterised by their complexity, concentration and sweetness. A relatively high acidity helps to balance the wine's sweetness. Another characteristic for which Château d'Yquem wines are known is their longevity.[1] With proper care, a bottle will keep for a century or more. During this time, the fruity overtones will gradually fade and integrate with more complex secondary and tertiary flavours.[2]"
Think of this when you hear of growers and breeders like DJ Short mentioning that he only smokes herb that has been bottle cured for over a year. Though wine and cannabis differ immensely, I believe that this is still a useful analogy.
I have some [Warlock x Zamal x Cabeza de Negro (Alex's cut)] that is 19 months old now, kept between 55F - 65F in sealed Mason jars. It was properly "burped" for the first 3-6 months and since then opened only every 4-5 months to snatch out a bud or two.
The difference in taste, aroma, smoothness, and overall high from this extended curing time is phenomenal....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation
The appelation or place of origin that the wine grows is also an important factor concerning coffee and cannabis. Regional environmental factors have shaped the IBLs and landraces to a great degree. Make hybrids from this huge palette and you will have many amazing possibilities, as we all know. Jamaican Blue Mountain coffee must be grown within a specific geographical boundary to use that name and the Wallenford Plantation, the original Blue Mtn. coffee, is shade-grown. Just the differences between those beans and some grown in full sun 5 miles away is quite noticeable....Yes, I have spent time there.......
So someday certain NLD Sativas will rule, especially if they hail from the right geographical area and have been well-cured to allow maximum terpene expression and metamorphosis.
for sure,
proper curing and storage is a big deal in distinguishing product, one that way to often gets overlooked or done improperly.
the longest I have ever been able to make a batch last was 6 months, and that last jar was absolutely the best.
proper curing and storage is a big deal in distinguishing product, one that way to often gets overlooked or done improperly.
the longest I have ever been able to make a batch last was 6 months, and that last jar was absolutely the best.
here is a crappy video I just uploaded, I dont know why it didn't upload in hd... the camera work is shakey being handheld plus I tend to talk with my hands so its moving around a bit... and I am totally winging the words but the subject is important for people and especially hobbiest breeders to understand, and I have been slacking on posting videos so I kinda rushed it together over the course of a week or two.
the hardest thing about educating is the broad spectrum of the audience, if I am talking to an expert I can use precise language and relay concepts efficiently, equally if I am talking to someone who knows nothing of cannabis I can break the concepts down to their principal and relate them in common sense terms and ways...
the problem arises when discussing these subjects with people who have half truths and misunderstandings or outright incorrect concepts based on hersay and beliefs... like when trying to educate people with some knowledge and experience, typically us growers and breeders are egocentric and unwilling or uncomfortable admiting to being wrong or changing... so trying to both find a medium ground for communication and correct poor conceptions and understanding of principals become difficult.
I think I need to create a directive and narrative before I start filming these from now on, it's to difficult to just wing it, I end up getting caught between ideas and stammering and UHH stuff lol
Anyway, I think I got the main points across... however difficult it may be to follow. future lessons are going to start from the basics and build from there
the hardest thing about educating is the broad spectrum of the audience, if I am talking to an expert I can use precise language and relay concepts efficiently, equally if I am talking to someone who knows nothing of cannabis I can break the concepts down to their principal and relate them in common sense terms and ways...
the problem arises when discussing these subjects with people who have half truths and misunderstandings or outright incorrect concepts based on hersay and beliefs... like when trying to educate people with some knowledge and experience, typically us growers and breeders are egocentric and unwilling or uncomfortable admiting to being wrong or changing... so trying to both find a medium ground for communication and correct poor conceptions and understanding of principals become difficult.
I think I need to create a directive and narrative before I start filming these from now on, it's to difficult to just wing it, I end up getting caught between ideas and stammering and UHH stuff lol
Anyway, I think I got the main points across... however difficult it may be to follow
. future lessons are going to start from the basics and build from thereGenotype V Phenotype
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