Colorado House Bill 1284

[warrenedson]

I do not know of an attorney in the state who thinks the caregiver to caregiver exchange is legal without meeting and wellness services.

I do not know of any case in this state where a Judge has upheld a caregiver to caregiver exchange.

Distributing mj to another person is illegal. Manufacturing mj is illegal. A20 gives you defenses so that the act is no longer illegal. Where does it allow you to hand mj to a person who will then hand it to someone you have never met and do not provide wellness services for?

How are you justifying the act of handing it to the dispensary owner? Ie. distribution? Is that person naming you as their caregiver? Are you providing the dispensary owner with wellness services?

Then we have People v Clendenin, 06CR1758, where the Judge in Boulder held that in order to qualify for the caregiver defense you need to have met the person that you are caregiving for and you need to provide them with wellness services. The Appellate Court agreed.

So how is it again that you think A20 allows you to walk into a dispensary and sell mj to the dispensary owner knowing that he or she will then distribute it to people who have not named you as a caregiver, who you have never met, and who you do not provide wellness services for?

 

[draco]

Amendment 20 never says caregiver to caregiver exchanges are illegal. That is just your twisted interpretation of it. You are really not helping things, just making it worse. You should be writing a bill that protects the rights of patients and caregivers, not stripping them away. You only represent $$$$$$$$$. I cant believe you have the spine to still come on here and argue. I think we should let all the people in jail for marijuana free, and lock up all these scumbag lawyers.

...and you would hock the house and the car to hire one if you got crossways with the law... c'mon, taking out our frustration on Edson is convenient but misplaced.

the system is fucked - wah!, and doing the things we need to do to be represented are inconvenient and humiliating. but if we don't get active and vocal, we will be run over. there are years of work ahead - shaping the interpretation of the amendment. are you up to that? cause activism is all we got...

look what the unions did. they stood up to the powers and beyond all hope secured a living wage and working conditions for the worker. they did it by organizing and changing the way america saw itself. and bleeding real blood throughout. this did not happen over night and it wasn't pretty. without the dedication and courage of thousands of workers and their families the big$ would have ruined this country long ago.

are us stoners up to this? cause THIS is what it takes to stand up to power.

well that, or buying key committee members in congress.

 

[jescowhite]

I think the market will be much better once all the nancy botwin wannabees get out of the business

 

[iSMOKE.KUSH]

I think the market will be much better once all the nancy botwin wannabees get out of the business

so fucking true!!!

 

[Tripsick]

I think the market will be much better once all the nancy botwin wannabees get out of the business

Indeed, problem is so many are use to Sub Par Meds they think the crap they produce is top quality... and People line up to buy it.

Half these people i talk to dont seem to have the ability to smell or taste.. and as long as they get high that's what matters to them...

Lowest common denominator for the win.

 

[trichrider]

If you grow it...They will come.

“All relation terminates in, and is ultimately founded on, those simple ideas we have got from sensation or reflection”, but “general and certain truths, are only founded in the habitudes and relations of abstract ideas”

...and those muthrfukrs writing these regulations are about as abstract as simple gets!

 

[scarred4life]

So how is it again that you think A20 allows you to walk into a dispensary and sell mj to the dispensary owner knowing that he or she will then distribute it to people who have not named you as a caregiver, who you have never met, and who you do not provide wellness services for?

dude...there is definitely nothing inaccurate about your legal interpretations. it's just that you write about all this so objectively that your comments seem apathetic about the uncaring and unethical legal status quo in Colorado. maybe it's because all our comments are "published." (maybe you have a libel suit or two here?)
anyhow, it'd make me cringe just a little less when i read posts by warren if the man would or could show a little pathos.
this drug war is a real war, albeit a soft war. Are you an agent of positive change, a soldier of Baalzebub, or just a spiritless weapon to be taken up by either side?

 

[HossCartwright]

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[HossCartwright]

dude...there is definitely nothing inaccurate about your legal interpretations. it's just that you write about all this so objectively that your comments seem apathetic about the uncaring and unethical legal status quo in Colorado. maybe it's because all our comments are "published." (maybe you have a libel suit or two here?)
anyhow, it'd make me cringe just a little less when i read posts by warren if the man would or could show a little pathos.
this drug war is a real war, albeit a soft war. Are you an agent of positive change, a soldier of Baalzebub, or just a spiritless weapon to be taken up by either side?

Warren Edson is a POS and is on the same team as Matt Brown and Chris Romer. All 3 are responsible for 1284 passing and the current state of chaos in what was turning into a well oiled free market exchange very rapidly. Stop treating him like a human, when he is no less a parasite than Romer himself.

 

[j-fly]

I do not know of an attorney in the state who thinks the caregiver to caregiver exchange is legal without meeting and wellness services.

I do not know of any case in this state where a Judge has upheld a caregiver to caregiver exchange.

Distributing mj to another person is illegal. Manufacturing mj is illegal. A20 gives you defenses so that the act is no longer illegal. Where does it allow you to hand mj to a person who will then hand it to someone you have never met and do not provide wellness services for?

How are you justifying the act of handing it to the dispensary owner? Ie. distribution? Is that person naming you as their caregiver? Are you providing the dispensary owner with wellness services?

Then we have People v Clendenin, 06CR1758, where the Judge in Boulder held that in order to qualify for the caregiver defense you need to have met the person that you are caregiving for and you need to provide them with wellness services. The Appellate Court agreed.

So how is it again that you think A20 allows you to walk into a dispensary and sell mj to the dispensary owner knowing that he or she will then distribute it to people who have not named you as a caregiver, who you have never met, and who you do not provide wellness services for?

My interpretation says that i can sell my medicine to anyone in colorado that has a medical card too. Its pretty simple. I can only be caregiver to someone i know, but sell it to anyone with a card. Its how its been working for years.

 

[HossCartwright]

I think the market will be much better once all the nancy botwin wannabees get out of the business

I don't mind the wannabees I mind the idiots who don't know their friends from their enemies, or worse, the truly evil who want the entire pie for themselves. Is that you? Thumbs down for calling out one of the key players behind 1284? WTF?

 

[j-fly]

I don't mind the wannabees I mind the idiots who don't know their friends from their enemies, or worse, the truly evil who want the entire pie for themselves. Is that you? Thumbs down for calling out one of the key players behind 1284? WTF?

this guy must be a lawyer too, because he gave me a negative too!
Some people really are blind

 

[draco]

My interpretation says that i can sell my medicine to anyone in colorado that has a medical card too. Its pretty simple. I can only be caregiver to someone i know, but sell it to anyone with a card. Its how its been working for years.

true - that's how it has worked for many. and as much as i like that arrangement that ain't the way it will turn out.

we are more or less below the radar for now. because the laws are so murky, local leos are confused and afraid to look bad to the taxpayers making a bad med bust. that will change. they may feel empowered after Ritter signs the bill... who knows they are fucking insane...

if you can prove an honest effort (after doing your homework) at being legal, i think that will keep you in as good as shape as you can be in. it is in our interest to minimize our exposure as much as is possible. the sooner the better.

 

[draco]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

here's why Warren

we just happen to think that because we have risked so much for this herb for so long, it is OURS to do with as we fucking see fit.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

dude...there is definitely nothing inaccurate about your legal interpretations. it's just that you write about all this so objectively that your comments seem apathetic about the uncaring and unethical legal status quo in Colorado. maybe it's because all our comments are "published." (maybe you have a libel suit or two here?)
anyhow, it'd make me cringe just a little less when i read posts by warren if the man would or could show a little pathos.
this drug war is a real war, albeit a soft war. Are you an agent of positive change, a soldier of Baalzebub, or just a spiritless weapon to be taken up by either side?

Lol...he's trolling for clients...he won't anser a direct question...he sure as hell shoots everything anyone here comes up with down...he has no positive input...ever!! All he can do is tell you (it's a recording) how you are manufacturing a Sch I drug) he never has a "solution"!!! Fuck you Warren...and the horse you rode in on...

....now to me...I was arrested last night...they kicked in the doors to my home...where I don't grow...but they also hauled me to the grow. DPD...all my papers were "in order"...and they touched nothing....it did cost me a day of my time!

I have a "real" lawyer...one that was at my grow when LEO took me there... not some wanna be troll...

PICS - click on my E&G grow in my sig...6 girls down, 18 to go...

 

[RAGGA MON]

....now to me...I was arrested last night...they kicked in the doors to my home...where I don't grow...but they also hauled me to the grow. DPD...all my papers were "in order"...and they touched nothing....it did cost me a day of my time!

I have a "real" lawyer...one that was at my grow when LEO took me there... not some wanna be troll...

PICS - click on my E&G grow in my sig...6 girls down, 18 to go...

Damn dude! What made them come to you?

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

Damn dude! What made them come to you?

That's what my lawyer is trying to figure out...he's filing some motion to find out cause tomorrow...I'll let all know..
Thought I lost this tho...

 

[Easy Skanking]

MHD,

Sorry to hear about your situation. Hopefully everything works out for you! Just out of curiosity is your grow at a warehouse? To be in compliance with all the new regulations it seems as if you pretty much have to be at one however I personally feel as though it just opens the door to all kinds of security problems, etc if you can't be there 24/7.

It would also be interesting to hear why they came after you once you've figured all that out. Unfortunately, I think this will just be the beginning of caregivers getting harassed and fucked with due to HB1284.

 

[MrDank]

warren should consider putting a link to this thread on his website and his business cards. I know a few months ago when I had $10k to put an attorney on retainer it was between Warren and ________. It was a tough battle, and even up until a month ago, I still had "buyers remorse" and often wondered if I did the right thing or not. Now that i see his attitude toward medical marijuana, and the fact that he has no love for the GROWERS, and the fact that he defends the statement that growing medical marijuana is "Manufacturing a product", I am glad I didn't hire him. He is still a nice guy and all, but we just have conflicting ideas.

But hey, at least I saved a trip to collect the remainder of my retainer...because after reading this thread, I would have been waiting with bells for my hard earned $$$ back in my hands

 

[MrDank]

MHD - that is horrible. You seem to be in good spirits, so hopefully this all pans out in your favor