Colorado House Bill 1284

[scarred4life]

btw, someone needs to tell warren that Mile Hi Dave is now our celebrity in residence.

here's a little gold rush music for ya, dave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noYptXPHiAE&feature=related

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

btw, someone needs to tell warren that Mile Hi Dave is now our celebrity in residence.

here's a little gold rush music for ya, dave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noYptXPHiAE&feature=related

ROFLMFAO...I do luv a lil Johnny Cash tho...

 

[Greenmopho]

All this bill has done is throw Colorado back a few years--we all go back underground....

Amendment 20 and the last year or so have been TWO massive steps forward....hb1284 is a step back....but just like the old reggae song....

One step forward, two steps backward
Down inna Babylon

 

[Budsworth]

btw, someone needs to tell warren that Mile Hi Dave is now our celebrity in residence.

here's a little gold rush music for ya, dave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noYptXPHiAE&feature=related

Celebrity? I knew it! I knew Dave Grohl was growing in Colorado.

 

[warrenedson]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

Under A20 or 1284, if you are manufacturing a product for commercial sale you need to follow the same local business rules that anyone manufacturing a product for commercial sale has to follow.

 

[draco]

hijak

our local chief of police says that to them there is NO difference legally between the doctor rec and the actual state issued permit. in the eyes of the local law they are exactly the same. i heard it from his lips.

i wish i had heard that before i sent in for my permit. i would have saved $90.

he was on public access tv explaining to the town council how the local police are dealing with amendment 20 issues. he said that if they do a med bust (haven't done one for a while cause when they do they get sued) they can't take the plants as evidence, so they have to leave them. don't ya just love that?

personally i like it that cops are afraid to make an arrest. even after 1284 is passed, there is enough grey that if we handle it right they will stay mostly paralyzed for some time. it will take them a while to tighten the noose...

hijak off

now, back to your regularly scheduled confusion...

 

[Budsworth]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

Under A20 or 1284, if you are manufacturing a product for commercial sale you need to follow the same local business rules that anyone manufacturing a product for commercial sale has to follow.

Serious question...because I don't know. The little farmer markets around here...does everyone of the vendors there have to submit to these kinds rules? I mean...could I take home grown produce from my "victory garden" and just go sell them at a the Saturday farmers market in Stapleton or at East High? Or would I need to have to submit to inspection of the patch of vegetables in my backyard before I can go sell them?

 

[Budsworth]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

Under A20 or 1284, if you are manufacturing a product for commercial sale you need to follow the same local business rules that anyone manufacturing a product for commercial sale has to follow.

And Warren...I would HAPPILY submit to inspections of my small caregiver grow.....


IF THE WOULD ALLOW ME TO TAKE A SALARY FROM MY WORK AND NOT JUST A PITTANCE.

Hows that for being clear?

You tell them down there at the Capital that if they change the law to allow caregivers to make a living from growing...that they'll find a lot more of us would happily allow a toolbag from the city/county/state to come in and inspect our grows.

I guarantee you it would be in the patients best interest as well...as I know I...and most of the other caregivers on here, give their patients prices lower than street value...and significantly lower than the dispensaries. My patients tell me they have NEVER bought product like mine...for the price I charge them. On top of that, I GIVE them a large amount FOR FREE every couple of months. There is no dispensary that is giving away the amount I do for free. The only instances I see of patients getting the same amount I give them for free...is other caregivers.

No dispensary does this now...and as you eliminate the competition...you're going to have a captive audience. So what if they submit to audits. They're screwing the patients that this is supposed to be about....and who the empty suits on Capital Hill claim they did this for.

 

[cannagirl]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

Under A20 or 1284, if you are manufacturing a product for commercial sale you need to follow the same local business rules that anyone manufacturing a product for commercial sale has to follow.

I respectfully am telling you off, because we went through 6 months of permits, from the building of the room, to the electrical and HVAC county inspections. As well as submit to fire department inspections. We are in a commercial and industrial zoned area, yet we are being forced to partner with a dispensary or all the money and time we put into our grow will be for nothing. So dont come on here and tell us that we are not willing to submit to inspections and manufacturing regulations, because we are trying and every time we get to the point where we are ok, we are legal in all aspects, the politicians go and change the shit around again.

Say we go down to just 5 patients and then we still continue to submit to fire inspections and now auditors with guns? But we cant make any money off of it anymore? What the hell is that? I thought we lived in the US, where the very mentality of this country centers itself on money and now the govt doesnt want us to make any money off of our hard work?

Have any of these politicians ever even worked a grow of any size for any amount of time? I can tell you the answer, its NO, because if they had they would have seen its not all balloons and kitten farts, it fucking hard work. Wanna know how many days in the last 6 months I have had off? NONE, I work 7 days a week sometimes 12-18 hours a day depending on the day. I have been at our grow till 5 am, late enough to watch the sun come up, and I was there from 3 or 4 in the afternoon before. Its not easy work, its not pushing papers, its hard physical labor. And the politicians want us to basically work for free. It makes no fucking sense...

Do these same politicians ask the major pharma companies not to make any profit. No, duh! They charge 300 dollars for a single chemo pill and it takes 2 dollars to make, thats a pretty big profit margin they got there. How come the politicians are not telling them to stop making a profit off of their product?

 

[kingdome]

cannagirl bc their pockets get lined by big pharma lol, all we need to do is line their pockets like matt brown(guy from cali right?) ....

wheres our fucking mj trust fund homies to fill their pockets with coin.....

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^so basically you have to survive in black market long enough to make enough money to pay off the government so they leave you alone?

sounds like organized crime and protection money kinda of operation being run by the sate government to help them out of their previous over spending habits. oh wait it is.

 

[MrDank]

I am not sure why people think that if the product they are manufacturing for commercial sale is marijuana, they can ignore all the regular rules that businesses have to follow.

Under A20 or 1284, if you are manufacturing a product for commercial sale you need to follow the same local business rules that anyone manufacturing a product for commercial sale has to follow.

dude...please

growing medical marijuana is NOT "manufacturiung a product". I have spent too much time in a garden for somebody to tell me that I am "Manufacturing" a fucking "product"

 

[warrenedson]

It is manufacturing a product. When you get charged with possession with intent you are charged with manufacturing.

No you can not grow vegetables in your back yard and take them to the Stapleton farmers market. You need a retail sales tax license from the city to sell the items, ie special events permit, and you would need to tell them where it was grown which can not be your back yard unless you are zoned agricultural or industrial. You get in big trouble if you call it "organic" without having proper FDA inspections. You realize that no mj has been certified organic right?

As to the grows, you have complete contractual freedom with the MMCs. You are free to negotiate whatever deal you want. You are the ones that keep saying this is all coming from California. If that is true than there is going to be a huge need for local mj and you should have bargaining power. If your mj is so good, you should have the bargaining power.

Most growers have been acting illegally under A20 anyway. They think the caregiver to caregiver exchange is legal. Under A20, you need to know all the people your mj ends up with and you need to provide them with wellness services. You aren't doing that if you are walking into a dispensary and handing them mj and leaving with $.

 

[thirdeye]

We need to boycott the dispensaries. Screw 'em. I went to a dispensary today that I have been unloading overages with for a while, and they smuggly said "prices are coming down" and offered me a price 22% less than they offered 3 wks ago. I'm not going to be one of their contract growers at that price.

 

[CurtisLemay]

^so basically you have to survive in black market long enough to make enough money to pay off the government so they leave you alone?

sounds like organized crime and protection money kinda of operation being run by the sate government to help them out of their previous over spending habits. oh wait it is.

Sounds like Bill Hicks

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

We need to boycott the dispensaries. Screw 'em. I went to a dispensary today that I have been unloading overages with for a while, and they smuggly said "prices are coming down" and offered me a price 22% less than they offered 3 wks ago. I'm not going to be one of their contract growers at that price.

LOL

hell lets just sit on our meds for a few months, starve the fuckers out.

growers of CO could really kick the clubs to the curb if we just could get together onit.

if your local shop has mids and 20 miles away they have the dank, ya think peeps will travel?

best buds win

CBF

 

[Easy Skanking]

if your local shop has mids and 20 miles away they have the dank, ya think peeps will travel?


CBF

I know I sure do! An hour drive in each direction but it's well worth it!

 

[GreenintheThumb]

dude...please

growing medical marijuana is NOT "manufacturiung a product". I have spent too much time in a garden for somebody to tell me that I am "Manufacturing" a fucking "product"

Well let me know how that holds up in court.

 

[Greenmopho]

dude...please

growing medical marijuana is NOT "manufacturiung a product". I have spent too much time in a garden for somebody to tell me that I am "Manufacturing" a fucking "product"

Well let me know how that holds up in court.

I know, I hate that, too. What we do FEELS so much more like Nurturing, Protecting, heck...even Cultivating I can live with....but Manufacturing? What am I? a meth lab? a factory? wtf?

They created a manufacturing charge so they could hit you with a felony, when possession and distribution can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[j-fly]

It is manufacturing a product. When you get charged with possession with intent you are charged with manufacturing.

No you can not grow vegetables in your back yard and take them to the Stapleton farmers market. You need a retail sales tax license from the city to sell the items, ie special events permit, and you would need to tell them where it was grown which can not be your back yard unless you are zoned agricultural or industrial. You get in big trouble if you call it "organic" without having proper FDA inspections. You realize that no mj has been certified organic right?

As to the grows, you have complete contractual freedom with the MMCs. You are free to negotiate whatever deal you want. You are the ones that keep saying this is all coming from California. If that is true than there is going to be a huge need for local mj and you should have bargaining power. If your mj is so good, you should have the bargaining power.

Most growers have been acting illegally under A20 anyway. They think the caregiver to caregiver exchange is legal. Under A20, you need to know all the people your mj ends up with and you need to provide them with wellness services. You aren't doing that if you are walking into a dispensary and handing them mj and leaving with $.

Amendment 20 never says caregiver to caregiver exchanges are illegal. That is just your twisted interpretation of it. You are really not helping things, just making it worse. You should be writing a bill that protects the rights of patients and caregivers, not stripping them away. You only represent $$$$$$$$$. I cant believe you have the spine to still come on here and argue. I think we should let all the people in jail for marijuana free, and lock up all these scumbag lawyers.