Colorado Growers Thread

[MileHighGlass]

maybe at federal level.... but at state and local levels its cops and prison guards, i'm only saying it because i've SEEN it when i spent time at the capitol.

Budgets get cut when laws get overturned, or changed. Makes perfect sense. Gotta protect your prison-industrial-complex.

As cannabis laws progress, law enforcement will need to keep money coming into the coffers. A lot of us will go back to being criminals for growing our own, and or caregiving. It's coming, no question about it.

 

[redlaser]

the pendulum swings...
cos has been surprisingly silent on the whole club thing until recently.... with this and the fed bust of lazy lion... honestly some kind of attention on these places seems long overdue, and this action of a ban that takes 8 years to enact? don't you think that in 8 years the city of c. springs will be READY for a cannabis event or 2, or at least state leg. will have created a licensing / permit avenue that will appease the city? whatever the case it's all about timing imo.... the localities are doing everything they can to halt cannabis events in order to push the state legislatures hand in creating special rules for these events. just like how judges at state & fed level are afraid to make a pro cannabis ruling and instead want to put it off on legislature re-classify cannabis federally before a judge rules it's illegality unconstitutional.
I've said it before and i'll say it again:
law enforcement lobby & prison guard lobby are both supporting all this foot dragging and bullshit (or outright MAKING this shit happen) at local, state, AND federal levels.

I would agree about the cop and prison lobbying, but could you also add the republican party to that as well? In California at least they state their support for restrictions and bans for weed. Hard to find a vocal Republican in favor of cannabis legalization.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I would agree about the cop and prison lobbying, but could you also add the republican party to that as well? In California at least they state their support for restrictions and bans for weed. Hard to find a vocal Republican in favor of cannabis legalization.

yhea, cannabis freedom sure has plenty of enemies, that's for sure; but the parties themselves aren't really active as lobbyist unless they are lobbying for their OWN bill or one they have co-sponsored, then it's not lobbying it's really more like standing behind something they supposedly believe in; yet are often still frighteningly uninformed about.
if for no other reason, communicating with legislators is important in order to educate them of the needs of patients in terms of plant count/grow space and more (simply rights to grow afforded under the state constitution) - terms that are often up for restriction at various levels of co government.

it's the law enforcement lobby fucks that are out there filling legislatures heads with all kinds off bullshit (like the dangers of home BHO production, higher plant counts, unlocked grow rooms, and a million other basically non-issues when it comes to public safety). A desperately needed niche is a patient lobby, but sadly there is really no direct quick money in it.

their are a few local to colorado (in addition to norml chapters, DPA, SSDP and the like) individuals / organizations out there claiming to represent patients/consumers of cannabis some shadier than others, all happy to take your money and claim to represent your interests to co house & senate members, some of them introduce/support certain bills... some work more in the media.
Are any of them really helping safe legal access to cannabis by protecting individuals right to grow?

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Maybe we could get a patient lobby to help introduce a bill to regulate alcohol like mmj.lol...for safety's sake...outlaw bars and make all the liquor stores constantly move locations due to never ending regulation and rule changes.

 

[Heusinomics]

That would b incredibly poetic irony.

People would change there tune, and recognize the difficulty we are dealing w n fucking quick.

Thanx for that Rocky. Seriously brought a smile to my face.
Hilarious. And incitefull.

Bug ups respect and happy growing.

 

[LakeEffect]

and the saga continues

Cannabis clubs petitioning to recall City Council members


http://m.krdo.com/news/cannabis-clubs-petitioning-to-recall-city-council-members/38428576

 

[SooperSmurph]

Wish I had finished my degree, having access to the academic community would be great right about now.

So, let's just put it out there.

Hypothesis: Cannabis is not meant to intoxicate our species, it is a dietary requirement inherited from ancestral primate populations or else acquired through interbreeding with Denisovan human populations native to Australasia as homo sapiens spread out of Africa.

The "intoxication" we experience from Cannabis in modern society is a symptom of the lack of Cannabis in our diets over the last century as prohibition has increased. A system that is starving for a resource will often be temporarily overstimulated when this resource is reintroduced.

A human being who saturates themselves in cannabinoids no longer experiences intoxicating effects, but continues to benefit from the dietary presence of these cannabinoids.

Get me drunk and i'll launch into a huge rant about how the plague of cancer, autism and other congenital defects that has ravaged humanity in the last century is not just the result of environmental and personal pollution, but a malady brought on directly by the policy of prohibition.

But for now, trying to gather more data, most importantly, establishing the fossil connection between Cannabis and homo sapiens, rather than the historical accounts of "hemp" consumption we have from the past few thousand years.

 

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[Ganoderma]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29641009/denver-police-raid-illegal-marijuana-grow-sites-across

Denver police are raiding "illegal grows"

 

[Heusinomics]

No mention of what prompted the "2 year investigation"..?
Or what their issue is other than plant counts?..

No arrests is good, charges could still b to fallow tho.
Guess it all depends on #'s and what else could b laying around.
Stuff like guns, extra pounds, and $. Could b issues.
Immediate removal/distruction of excess plants could b keeping charges from stacking up?..

Any private growers with insite or dealings w the MED or LEO in the Denver area. I def encurage you to post up w your issues.

Hope more info about their tactics and aims come to light. Just to help keep us all compliant as poss..within reason oc!..

Keep safe y'all.

Big ups respect and happy growng.

 

[Avinash.miles]

my understanding is that the raids were performed by DEA....

 

[Heusinomics]

Fucking Feds!!! Dang

Just saw on 9news a brief report.
Talked about issues w landlords and homeowner vs us renters filling homes w plants.
Also showed a home being emptied w about a 12lighter and Stax of T5s for veg on the lawn.

Statement of cause of investigation said. "We heard about the presence of unlisenced grows" "and we hav been investigating them" over the last 2years. (Edit: implies informants or out of state/dea cases?)
Dude stressed the phrase "unlisenced". So possibly NOT looking at MED growers?..
Or wether looking at all grows over 3mature plants except dispos and wharhouses?...

Were all over the metro also Westminster through castle rock so NOT just Denver.

Makes me feel sick. My heart and best wishes goes out to the MANY pot patriots apparently cought up in all this.

Keep the info coming. We will have to burry the pigs in there own shit and stop the tide w well thought arguments for our rights.

Big ups love and happy growing to all!!

 

[Seaf0ur]

my understanding is that the raids were performed by DEA....

and everyone keeps telling me all about how we can hide from the feds behind our state constitution...

I really want to know more... if this was just over "plant counts" in "residential neighborhoods" thats bullshit and I wonder how much taxpayer money was spent during this investigation... because this waste is just one of the reason we legalized cannabis in the first place... so them laws could stop wasting time and start dealing with ACTUAL CRIME... this sounds like a civil matter over a rental agreement violation.

still the bankers have not been jailed for the stock market crash even though its been proven they were fucking with LIBOR...

in the meanwhile, how many growers and stoners have lost their freedom for a having a fucking plant or dried flower?

I'm just getting angry at this point... I wonder how many others are angry and just how angry they are...
Thomas Jefferson would have been in HIS HEMP FARM holding a rifle by now....

 

[SooperSmurph]

I have been at a local "raid", was on my way to a consult and oops, guess i'll park over here for a while. Talked to them afterwards about the experience and was a bit surprised by what actually happened.

I can say the one raid I witnessed was of a residential grow that was definitely not a medical one despite its very large size.

Plants were taken, people were issued "citations" for being over the state limit, they were allowed to keep the state limited number of plants, and were given a summons for a later date at which their fine would be assessed, or so they were told by the officer conducting the operation.

Is my experience even related to these new raids? I don't know.

Are most of the grows being raided large, excessive, and most importantly, not properly licensed? We need more information, period.

 

[Ganoderma]

They could refer to a residential grow as an unlicensed grow op.

 

[Avinash.miles]

safe to say we CAN'T assume this is over plant counts simply... because.... of course that's all the local news outlets can say, im sure DEA isn't giving them much of an idea.

i'd bet money it's people they have been watching send out packages or something like that... denver is a relatively small pond and it shouldn't be hard for federal authorities to pick off the bigger fish from time to time. probably cases with large discoveries....

metro drug task force often assists dea in raids like this, but that doesn' tmean the state, county or city will ever see a case from these raids - and sometimes even no federal charges are filed, they simply shut people down and only charge the easiest with most evidence against them. i was told 2-3 per day raids by dea/metro drug task force, and that's grow houses alone - was told this by dea & a city judge (who was onsite at all the raids) and this was back in 2012

there is (ALMOST) no way a residential 20 lighter within city limits is "properly licensed" AND within plant counts -

no matter who is sending it ( feds, state, local) the message is clear: no big grows in the city, that's only for the industry. if, as a patient, you want to grow your own (copius amounts of) cannabis - do it out in the county and not it city limits.

 

[Ganoderma]

i'd bet money it's people they have been watching send out packages or something like that... denver is a relatively small pond and it shouldn't be hard for federal authorities to pick off the bigger fish from time to time. probably cases with large discoveries....

There is another story in the Denver post about three people who where busted for mailing packages out of state. They don't mention if the two are related.

there is (ALMOST) no way a residential 20 lighter within city limits is "properly licensed" AND within plant counts -

That is a good point.

 

[Corvette Doc]

My Medical license is for 24 plants...I still don't know if I have to follow the 1/2 flower thing or not??? I set about 16 plants out each year, the rest are for cloning, playing with seeds, etc... Where do I fall in all of this?

 

[Avinash.miles]

My Medical license is for 24 plants...I still don't know if I have to follow the 1/2 flower thing or not??? I set about 16 plants out each year, the rest are for cloning, playing with seeds, etc... Where do I fall in all of this?

are you within city limits? check your municipal code, criminal & zoning codes both can contain grow restrictions.
i don't think the mature/immature or veg/bloom counts mean anything, it's just plant count restrictions, BUT there are also grow room regs, like size of grow, and EVERYTHING about it. if they want they can tag a violation on you for using too long of an extension cord.

i was told by cops when they raided and cut my garden that "there is no such thing as extended plant count" and "there is no such thing as medicinal use of marijuana"
but fuck those pigs, they will say anything to get you feeling defeated and to NOT want to fight the case in court.

i suggest everyone talk to their doctor and ask if the doctor will stand up for them in court IF the worst case scenario plays out (cops cut your garden down) and try putting criminal charges OR zoning code violations. if the doc is unwilling, dont give them a cent, because the papers they give you are nothing other than peace of mind for you that may or may not help if that worst case scenario happens

 

[PuertoviejoKL]

There is a little public hearing about limiting Bolder county to 6 plants without permits tomorrow going down at the planning commission office. Not sure if there is something in the works that is going to be voted on coming up or what.

"because the papers they give you are nothing other than peace of mind for you that may or may not help if that worst case scenario happens"

Always been the game for sure, maybe that's why they finally started cracking down on the whole med card thing.