Colorado Growers Thread

[who dat is]

I'm be MOST interested in what all is involved with something small that could be licensed and legal to provide to dispensaries say in the 8-12 light range. Bobby's setup would be a good place to start. Two of those Glue rooms stacked next to each other. Two car garage style. 600-800 Square feet, baby steps.

 

[Bobby_Stainless]

First tier cultivation center license is 2200 + 300 Renewel. Plus a 5000 app fee. (That's up to 1800 plants, which is plenty for me)

You must have a LLC or some other type of business entity. I did mine on Legal Zoom and they filed all needed docs with CO.

I am pretty sure you have to include a Assoc Key Badge application with the license app, that's 1300.

I'm seeing 8800 to get the State satisfied, for the lowest tier cultivation center. Then rent, build out, utilities, etc. https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/MED%20Fee%20Table%20Color-%20Full%2012012015.pdf

I think the licensing will be the easy part, build out and compliance, might be a little tougher.

It has to be in a zoned area, which means renting.

 

[Ganoderma]

What about on the local level? I know (from what I've read) some area's have fee's for licenses for the county or city level too.

 

[Jbomber79]

I was told by lawyer I needed at least 40k to get the proper licensing,permits,tracking software,cameras,and etc etc.. Perhaps la plata county is a bit tougher and more restrictions are taking the price up?

 

[shredGnar]

I was told by lawyer I needed at least 40k to get the proper licensing,permits,tracking software,cameras,and etc etc.. Perhaps la plata county is a bit tougher and more restrictions are taking the price up?

That is more what I was thinking. So 40k plus the build and equipment and you're up and running?

Do you need to obtain the property before all the licensing and such?

Mind sharing your lawyer?

 

[Jbomber79]

I wouldn't do that to you... Dude is a douche to say least he wanted a small fortune for consultation and paper work.. The way I read it yes you have to have said lease or own building when you plan on applying you must have all this shit in order which with limited availability I.e. Space its purt tough... we'll not to mention you need to already know where zoning laws exist not to hard with city/county gis maps that being said 100k would get you in the industry I believe after that most likely another 1 hundo for labor automation and whatever bs comes with running an agriculture product in a gawd damn warehouse...

 

[shredGnar]

I wouldn't do that to you... Dude is a douche to say least he wanted a small fortune for consultation and paper work.. The way I read it yes you have to have said lease or own building when you plan on applying you must have all this shit in order which with limited availability I.e. Space its purt tough... we'll not to mention you need to already know where zoning laws exist not to hard with city/county gis maps that being said 100k would get you in the industry I believe after that most likely another 1 hundo for labor automation and whatever bs comes with running an agriculture product in a gawd damn warehouse...

thanks for all the info.

Lmao...guess I'll keep looking for a lawyer. Would like to sit down with someone for a couple hours who knows what's what in the industry.

I guess even Lawyers are price gouging growers. Imagine that!

 

[Bobby_Stainless]

I was told by lawyer I needed at least 40k to get the proper licensing,permits,tracking software,cameras,and etc etc..

You just tacked on a bunch of extra stuff. I am talking about just the license.

I linked the fees, and talked to the MED.

It's 8800 total. Unless there is some County fee like Ganoderma said.

Build out very well, might be 50-100k, but that's doesn't have to do with the licensing.

I would much rather talk to a person in the industry than a lawyer.

 

[who dat is]

I was told by lawyer I needed at least 40k to get the proper licensing,permits,tracking software,cameras,and etc etc.. Perhaps la plata county is a bit tougher and more restrictions are taking the price up?

I wouldn't do that to you... Dude is a douche to say least he wanted a small fortune for consultation and paper work.. The way I read it yes you have to have said lease or own building when you plan on applying you must have all this shit in order which with limited availability I.e. Space its purt tough... we'll not to mention you need to already know where zoning laws exist not to hard with city/county gis maps that being said 100k would get you in the industry I believe after that most likely another 1 hundo for labor automation and whatever bs comes with running an agriculture product in a gawd damn warehouse...

You just tacked on a bunch of extra stuff. I am talking about just the license.

I linked the fees, and talked to the MED.

It's 8800 total. Unless there is some County fee like Ganoderma said.

Build out very well, might be 50-100k, but that's doesn't have to do with the licensing.

I would much rather talk to a person in the industry than a lawyer.

How many lights are you guys talking though?

 

[Avinash.miles]

i think local licensing fees are different county to county.... and some counties flat out will not issue any licenses.
the associated costs of licensing (like cameras, buildout, permits, etc) are absolutely neccessary. the license alone will not keep you in business ( or put you into business) unless you complete all the neccessary things correctly. personally i'd county all that into startup costs.

also, as part of that application fee you do need to show either a lease or a title for your location (must be in light industrial area for a grow, i think its "I-A" zoning)

imo an 8-12 lighter is too small for a commercial op in CO, the costs of startup will be high enough that your 12 lights won't beable to produce enough to pay u back quickly. that's just my opinion, im sure it CAN be done, but going thru all that just to legitimize a 12 lighter into a commercial op. i'd go no less than 20 lites AND greenhouse if i were going to go the whole state licensed road...

 

[Jhhnn]

i think local licensing fees are different county to county.... and some counties flat out will not issue any licenses.
the associated costs of licensing (like cameras, buildout, permits, etc) are absolutely neccessary. the license alone will not keep you in business ( or put you into business) unless you complete all the neccessary things correctly. personally i'd county all that into startup costs.

also, as part of that application fee you do need to show either a lease or a title for your location (must be in light industrial area for a grow, i think its "I-A" zoning)

imo an 8-12 lighter is too small for a commercial op in CO, the costs of startup will be high enough that your 12 lights won't beable to produce enough to pay u back quickly. that's just my opinion, im sure it CAN be done, but going thru all that just to legitimize a 12 lighter into a commercial op. i'd go no less than 20 lites AND greenhouse if i were going to go the whole state licensed road...

Greenhouses are the future. Current high margins for efficient growers allow higher up front costs to be recouped rather rapidly. Once that's done, greenhouse growers will expand market share thru ruthless price cutting. Their unit costs become a fraction of what warehouse growers need to pay.

I'm sure there is some *large* & patient money playing the long game, smart investors who don't need or expect much in the way of short term profit. Small warehouse growers don't have that luxury because they don't have the capital reserves to play it that way.

 

[Avinash.miles]

yhea, CO gh game is just getting started.
hopefully rec/med shops start selling light dep herb soon, when that catches on out here it could be a big deal imo. colorado is exactly the type of growing envirnoment that needs gh's to extend the growing season

 

[Ganoderma]

Green houses can be run year round when set up right.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Green houses can be run year round when set up right.

hows that for an "extended season"

 

[Corvette Doc]

I always thought of greenhouses as a way to add a couple months to growing season (both Spring & Fall). With the extreme winters we sometimes get it seems like you would be better off going totally contained for the winter...But then again I don't know much about greenhouse planning and various construction...just use to a layer of plastic being the walls/ceiling.

I just saw that they extended the deadline to Monday (4pm) for anyone wishing to enter the Frost Bowl competition. Also found out they ARE NOT going to be having a 420 bowl this year...I was saving back a couple of strains for that. Maybe I should get one or 2 more in since it my be my last shot. Then I thought I had a date till she decided to completely off the wall last night and this morning. Maybe I should just give up and not have any more to do with it??? I just can't decide.

 

[Corvette Doc]

Hey Guys, I have been searching around here for weeks trying to find info on how to sterilize out of my scale infestation. Does anyone have any real experience in getting rid of Scale? During the winter I want to make sure that I have killed them all around my GHs. I just can't find anything besides this Eagle20 for treating the soil and I refuse to have that stuff around...so what can I do. Safer soap does NOTHING to them, Azamax will slow their spread but doesn't kill them. I usually dig out the entire GH to about 30" deep and add more pearlight, then each plant spot gets a fresh bag of Ocean Forest as the plant goes in. Is possible that the OF might be the source of this scale?

 

[Seaf0ur]

Hey Guys, I have been searching around here for weeks trying to find info on how to sterilize out of my scale infestation. Does anyone have any real experience in getting rid of Scale? During the winter I want to make sure that I have killed them all around my GHs. I just can't find anything besides this Eagle20 for treating the soil and I refuse to have that stuff around...so what can I do. Safer soap does NOTHING to them, Azamax will slow their spread but doesn't kill them. I usually dig out the entire GH to about 30" deep and add more pearlight, then each plant spot gets a fresh bag of Ocean Forest as the plant goes in. Is possible that the OF might be the source of this scale?

stop the ants.... smear vasoline on the base of the stems... I highly suspect if you've got that much of a scale issue, what you really have is ants farming honeydew... the ants will fight off any predators you try... the scale has a hard "skin" that is permeable to air to breathe, so a smothering oil sufficiently covering them will suffocate them, but the ants will literally carry the scale onto your plants and keep the problem going...

 

[Corvette Doc]

Thank-you SeafOur...What you say makes sense. I have been reading about using AG Oils but I honestly don't know what they are and they never seem to define that. Any recommendations here? You are the first one yet that I have seen suspect that the ants might be farming them and yet it makes complete sense when you watch how the ants carry on over them...I will follow an ant till it shows me where the scale is hiding...then he will try to fight me as I kill his pet cow. The problem is I think the ant hill is in my neighbors yard??? Time to start thinking serious warfare strategy. I guess I will start by finding a couple of pounds of Cyan Pepper. Unless you some better ideas.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I can repeat things I've read, but I've not fought them personally...
once you kill the ants, the scale should be much easier to fight.

scale gives off honeydew similar to aphids.... which ants will also farm and protect.

 

[Corvette Doc]

I like your idea of Vaseline on the stalks...I wonder if it would keep out termites??? I have been having problems with those as well. I just got done spraying most of the yard with liquid copper because I am also fighting about 3-4 different funguses and I don't think any are PM they seem to be worse. How many 50 degree days do you get in January?
Maybe I just need to find a new location??? But I doubt that I would be able to pull that off.

Another thing backs your hypothesis, This year I had problems finding ant lions that I normally transplant into my greenhouses. The wet spring and early summer drowned most of the larvae before they could develop into the nymph stage that feeds on ants.