yhea, that would be great....
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yhea, that would be great....
Guess it is tougher to sue Mexico than Colorado???
Dumb bastards. Now the cartels will know Not to bring loads through Colorado.....
They think they had enforcement problems before...... now they get to patrol section line gravel roads!
Kalyx
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MERRRICAAH!!!!!
There is going to be another large gathering of people in favor of patients rights and in general defending the existing medical system (protecting medicals existence) at the statehouse sometime soon
just like we did last year for the parents/kids bill
will post more info asap as it comes to me... def hope some denver area/front range peeps can make it and show support.
just like we did last year for the parents/kids bill
will post more info asap as it comes to me... def hope some denver area/front range peeps can make it and show support.
It's a function of greed, & of looking at it backwards.
The only reason that retail prices have remained high is because of artificial scarcity. We need more retail producers, particularly greenhouse producers, to compete & drive down the price. Bottom line retail weed needs to be cheaper than MMJ, tax included.
The state would collect fewer tax dollars per pound/ ounce/ gram, but a much bigger % of total sales would be retail.
If they're really worried about the black market, it's not hard to make retail marketing more attractive. Efforts at price support only encourage in-state black marketeering even as they discourage interstate transport to higher priced markets.
Whatever caregivers do, they're really a very small part of total transactions, people that the State can afford to ignore unless coming at them from the other direction, from being able to demonstrate that a particular caregiver isn't following the rules.
The only reason that retail prices have remained high is because of artificial scarcity. We need more retail producers, particularly greenhouse producers, to compete & drive down the price. Bottom line retail weed needs to be cheaper than MMJ, tax included.
The state would collect fewer tax dollars per pound/ ounce/ gram, but a much bigger % of total sales would be retail.
If they're really worried about the black market, it's not hard to make retail marketing more attractive. Efforts at price support only encourage in-state black marketeering even as they discourage interstate transport to higher priced markets.
Whatever caregivers do, they're really a very small part of total transactions, people that the State can afford to ignore unless coming at them from the other direction, from being able to demonstrate that a particular caregiver isn't following the rules.
exactly...whatyou say about scarcity... the scarcity of "med" herb is due to the state coercing the market into selling "rec" herb instead which is of course in the state of CO's best interests because of the tax difference in the 2 (0% vs 20% just about after existing sales tax)
retail being cheaper than med? you are right about that, but that is a far way off at this point. i view it less about PRICES and more about OPTIONS. one option is to BUY it at whatever price you can... another option is to GROW it yourself, and yet ANOTHER option is to source a 3rd party that is NOT a med/retail shop but an individual... a fucking caregiver.
this legislation would limit those choices AND do nothing to rectify the price differential between rec/med. also it would do nothing to help patients get what they need through the dispensaries. it only closes doors and does not open any new ones for patients or providers.
to be clear all extended plant counts are on the line here... this bill would KILL all that & make it 6 plans per patient, 5 patients per caregiver and put much more oversight and pressure on caregivers without providing any infrastructure or real regulatory guidelines towards HELPING patients get what they need or produce it themselves.
as for "diversion" as they call it... caregivers selling to the black maket....
truth is that is LAW ENFORCEMENT's job to worry about, not LEGISLATURE's job. and cops are happy as hell to still have that option... to bust people for diverting, driving out of state, selling large quantities to undercovers, growing outside of their plant count and outside of (often prohibitive) muncipal codes.
this bill would codify what is already in many existing municipal codes into the state code.
aguilar and singer are the main sponsors.... call them
MHBGuy
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More bogus legislation proposed.
Sorry, Charlie. If you ban the sale of the product in your county then your county should not receive one single dollar of the revenue generated by said product.
Sorry, Charlie. If you ban the sale of the product in your county then your county should not receive one single dollar of the revenue generated by said product.
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What behaviors, exactly?
The allusion to the lies of reefer madness are obvious in an otherwise empty statement.
lol @ "no extra money"
y'know, extra $$ like for higher pay and more gadgets
y'know, extra $$ like for higher pay and more gadgets
whatyou say about scarcity... the scarcity of "med" herb is due to the state coercing the market into selling "rec" herb instead which is of course in the state of CO's best interests because of the tax difference in the 2 (0% vs 20% just about after existing sales tax)
retail being cheaper than med? you are right about that, but that is a far way off at this point. i view it less about PRICES and more about OPTIONS. one option is to BUY it at whatever price you can... another option is to GROW it yourself, and yet ANOTHER option is to source a 3rd party that is NOT a med/retail shop but an individual... a fucking caregiver.
this legislation would limit those choices AND do nothing to rectify the price differential between rec/med. also it would do nothing to help patients get what they need through the dispensaries. it only closes doors and does not open any new ones for patients or providers.
to be clear all extended plant counts are on the line here... this bill would KILL all that & make it 6 plans per patient, 5 patients per caregiver and put much more oversight and pressure on caregivers without providing any infrastructure or real regulatory guidelines towards HELPING patients get what they need or produce it themselves.
as for "diversion" as they call it... caregivers selling to the black maket....
truth is that is LAW ENFORCEMENT's job to worry about, not LEGISLATURE's job. and cops are happy as hell to still have that option... to bust people for diverting, driving out of state, selling large quantities to undercovers, growing outside of their plant count and outside of (often prohibitive) muncipal codes.
this bill would codify what is already in many existing municipal codes into the state code.
aguilar and singer are the main sponsors.... call them
For large scale providers, I don't think there's any coercion into selling retail vs medical- there's just a wider customer base. There are 120K registered med patients in the state vs 5.4M inhabitants + tourists. That's at least 4M potential retail customers 21 & older.
I think you're right as it relates to caregivers. Right, wrong or indifferent, officialdom is leery of that aspect of cannabis as we know it & will try to push it into an ever smaller corner of the whole scene. That's because they can't figure out how to control it. They demand the illusion of control, of course, because they oppose normalization of cannabis use & have for at least 3 generations. They're still fighting, still working for a rollback. Peculiarities of state law allow nimby-ism at the local level which some would carry state-wide.
Yeh, it's irrational & they need to get over themselves, but it is what it is. Cannabis prohibition has always been irrational.
I think this effort on their part needs to be painted as hasty at best. A64 isn't an excuse to tinker with MMJ at all. A64 specifically states that MMJ shall remain unaffected & we're only 1 year into it. They need to let the situation shake out as the voters intended it to be, with all parts intact including the caregiver system. Even then, they need to go back to the voters if they want to overrule A20.
Few people recognize that this isn't just an attack on small caregivers, but also on storefront dispensaries who operate on the same basis of patients & plant counts. Well, theoretically, anyway. Medical dispensaries, per se, would be forced out because they obviously can't function under the new rules. They're the real target.
Market forces are already working hugely against that business model and will only become more intense as big retail growers get better at it & become more numerous. When the price of retail weed incl taxes matches that of dispensary MMJ, the problem will solve itself. Small caregivers aren't a pimple on the ass of that & really just need to be left alone.
there are those that would say taht 1284 was a way of overruling A20, and this new 10-1284 redraft is only putting the last nail in the coffin of a WORKING med system.
I can't argue. The proposal needs to be rigorously opposed so that it won't gain traction in the legislature. MMJ providers obviously won't let it go unchallenged, and neither should we.
treeOFthe303
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well i don't have bugs but i doubt i have any strains you would want to trade anyways. just a bunch of dispensary stuff. if you can hook me up with a cutting for a donation or something let me know. i gotta get rid of the trillion strains i have and get a few super good ones.
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