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Colorado Growers Thread
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I'm not too worried abut price. (Can't get much cheaper than GH, and the sun).
I worry more about clones/seeds/cuts. And of course how to keep myself from 'making' too many plants....
I prefer to let others try to make a living off the lazy people... or those who can't grow.
Corvette Doc
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Actually it is the problems from the bessemer ditch group that controls the water out on the mesa (Boone, Blende, Avondale) that made me suggest searching water before moving. They are cutting water to any grows they can identify out there. Going farther up the Arkansas River is a better plan. Get away from the main town parts and most people up there are more understanding than the population here in Pueblo seams to be.
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CaliGabe
If that's the same Grape Ape cut I got back in like 2005 it's really good.
Redbeardthewook
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Anyone one going to the secret cup at the end of August?
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SooperSmurph
We kind of live in a state now where people who can't grow are a new, key component of the economy no one acknowledged before.I'm not too worried abut price. (Can't get much cheaper than GH, and the sun).
I worry more about clones/seeds/cuts. And of course how to keep myself from 'making' too many plants....
I prefer to let others try to make a living off the lazy people... or those who can't grow.
Very few smokers actually want to grow their own weed in a serious way, they might think about it, or pop a plant in the backyard now and then, but then realism sets in, and laws, thieves, difficulties in growing, and other factors turn them to buying their weed again.
The vast majority of smokers DO NOT grow their own. Don't be arrogant just because you have that luxury.
But no, let's miss the point entirely, this is all about people growing their own...
Simple cause and effect, the more demand, the more people will produce the product, the more people will take shortcuts, the more bad genetics that will escape into the cannabis gene pool, the more mid grade product sold for top shelf prices, long flowering times will disappear, etc.
That's treated domestic water, not ditch water-
http://stcharlesmesawaterdistrict.o...frontpage/153-water-district-votes-dry-on-pot
The vote is bullshit, anyway, as marijuana is a legal CO product. As we've seen, the USBR would refer any "violations" to the DoJ who would apply current enforcement guidelines & then... pffft.
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Didn't mean to sound arrogant. I'm just confused as to why there are so many (enough to support a whole industry), who purchase at the Dispensaries and stores. And for them I am grateful.... they pay the high taxes that got A64 passed.
I know folks who have houseplants, and pets... who hire someone to come in and be caretaker. Not rich folks, just people who go on vacation once every year or so. But they for some reason don't 'grow their own'.
Seems almost blasphemous to grow 'ornamental/decorative', non edible, non smokeable house plants, and not cannibus. Heck some of them really Do grow tomatoes. lol
Didn't mean to sound arrogant. I'm just confused as to why there are so many (enough to support a whole industry), who purchase at the Dispensaries and stores. And for them I am grateful.... they pay the high taxes that got A64 passed.
I know folks who have houseplants, and pets... who hire someone to come in and be caretaker. Not rich folks, just people who go on vacation once every year or so. But they for some reason don't 'grow their own'.
Seems almost blasphemous to grow 'ornamental/decorative', non edible, non smokeable house plants, and not cannibus. Heck some of them really Do grow tomatoes. lol
bboybungus
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A lot of people smoke weed.
There are lots of reasons people don't grow pot in this staye
; there is still a stigma surrounding it, its still federally illegal, it can be expensive, all the rules and regulations surrounding it, etc etc. There is no plant count for tomatoes, but there is for weed.I drink a lot of beer but you don't see me setting up a microbrewery in my garage even though I could.
; there is still a stigma surrounding it, its still federally illegal, it can be expensive, all the rules and regulations surrounding it, etc etc. There is no plant count for tomatoes, but there is for weed.I drink a lot of beer but you don't see me setting up a microbrewery in my garage even though I could.
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SooperSmurph
Well legal Cannabis was consumed by the vast majority of people before prohibition, in various tonics, medicines, and even smoked on occasion, it's only recently in history that the market went underground.
I think that now that we're remembering that, there will be more and more consumers of cannabis, and more and more of a demand for it, for better, or worse.
I think that now that we're remembering that, there will be more and more consumers of cannabis, and more and more of a demand for it, for better, or worse.
One of the things I've noticed is that there has been a whole lot of quiet about outdoor growing. It really is a grey area wrt the wording of A64. To my knowledge, there is no statute against it & there is no penalty for outdoor growing, even though everybody has the impression that it's not really legal.
Obviously, if casual street level observers can see pot plants in somebody's yard it would violate the "out of public view" spirit of A64. OTOH, People can smoke pot anywhere on their property in Denver, regardless of who sees it. It'd be tough for them to declare that growing pot in a locked & privacy fenced yard to be illegal, Colorado's private property fetish being what it is. If it's not sticking up over the fence, I mean. If that becomes widespread, I think we'll see a lot more people growing, outdoor gardeners of all sorts. Pot loves the outdoors. It's a lot easier to grow outdoors than indoors, that's for sure.
There's a future business opportunity, furnishing clones on a seasonal basis, like tomato starts. With Colorado outdoor tested varieties, of course.
Obviously, if casual street level observers can see pot plants in somebody's yard it would violate the "out of public view" spirit of A64. OTOH, People can smoke pot anywhere on their property in Denver, regardless of who sees it. It'd be tough for them to declare that growing pot in a locked & privacy fenced yard to be illegal, Colorado's private property fetish being what it is. If it's not sticking up over the fence, I mean. If that becomes widespread, I think we'll see a lot more people growing, outdoor gardeners of all sorts. Pot loves the outdoors. It's a lot easier to grow outdoors than indoors, that's for sure.
There's a future business opportunity, furnishing clones on a seasonal basis, like tomato starts. With Colorado outdoor tested varieties, of course.
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quokka
I personally don't really know what the 'roadkill skunk' actually smells like, i have never smelled a dead skunk before either, but i have tried a fair amount of seeds and i had one plant from GreenHouse seeds Super Critical that had the most unpleasant, rotten, dead carcass type odor i had ever smelled.
Not like a burning rubber, or caustic chemical or fuel, just and musty sickening pong.
Don't know if that helps at all.......
Not like a burning rubber, or caustic chemical or fuel, just and musty sickening pong.
Don't know if that helps at all.......
rotting meat and skunk are 2 very different animals.... once upon a time, skunk became a generic term... not helped by those in the UK who have never witnessed the raw power of the actual animals smell... its a funk that takes days to come off... there's not really anything to compare the back of a skunks ass to that will convey the message....
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2014/03/11/skunks-spray-evolution-animals-science/
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2014/03/11/skunks-spray-evolution-animals-science/
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SooperSmurph
My RKS male was beautiful... damn you GG for destroying 2 years of work.
)Corvette Doc
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Sorry but that isn't right. I have watched 2 people decide to just watch their plants die or give them away over this. I know 3 others who are paying through the nose to truck in water to finnish their current plants...They will be moving.
The stupid Governor has repeatedly announced that any drainages controled by the feds will be treated by FEDERAL law over state! The lower frying pan (ie lower Arkansas/ Pueblo Res.) has been pretty much owned by the feds since the late 60s...See earlier comment about laws suits since they were key to this. That means even the stupid Pueblo Board Of Water Works MUST obay any order given them to stop water delivery to a grow from the Feds. Although i have yet to hear of any such order being given i know people on that board who have told me that is the districts stand. They will not budge.
Telling people to gamble their lives on such a shaky deal seams very problematic to me. Isn't the purpose of sites like this to try to gain information for those who aren't there and trying to learn?
My ULTIMATE advice is to hire a water rights attorney to research the exact siruation of the local you choose to move to well BEFORE you commit one thin dime to the purchase. The results will scare you but you might find work arounds in one area that will not work elsewhere. To date the state has no certain possition so it is all speculation when contrasted to federal law. The BLM still controls the majority of lands and drainages in So Col so take everything you hear with a grain of salt. No one KNOWS how this part of the fight will end. Maybe we might get to see some clear dirrection after the Gov. election.
I think that says a lot more about this local situation. The only non-natives holding water rights had to pay through the nose to get them and can't afford to let any go. The natives who control the rest are fighting on Dem./Rep. lines and almost all of them destest the idea of selling to anyone from out of state...I hear that most of Eastern Colorado falls under that description. So getting independant water rights might be near impossible but occationally propertiers with their own rights do come on the market...They also tend to be 5 to 10 times more expensive than similar w/o water rights.
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I think we're talking past each other. You're talking about treated water from the tap, I think. I'm talking about seasonal agricultural water from the bessemer ditch. That's what waters all those square plots you see using the satellite view. The water rights & the plot are essentially inseparable. Shareholders have the right to divert water onto their land through gates or via pumps on a schedule. That ditch & those rights pre-date Pueblo Reservoir.
I worked for the usbr as a surveyor's aide while the dam was being built, did some of the work on the separate outlet that had to be built to accommodate those right holders. Several of my grandfathers cousins farmed there & their descendants still do. I understand the culture. One thing's for sure- they'll all be up in arms if anybody tries to tell them what they can & can't do with their ditch water. The quickest way to have them all growing pot is to tell them that they can't.
In a word, they're ornery if provoked. When I was a kid, there were still lots of vineyards on the Mesa for "table grapes" grown during prohibition although most had fallen into disuse. The old Italian guys out there would joke about it over a lunch of Zollsman's bread, fresh veggies, Aguilar goat cheese, fiery little cherry peppers, cold cuts & raw dago red.
It's where I grew up & it seemed like my grandfather knew half the farmers between Pueblo & Rocky Ford where his brother grew melons & alfalfa. Some of my distant cousins still do.
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