idontgivenames
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wow, you've got some beautiful buds red rider. i hope jason king does a canabible in colombia. if he does, you gotta holla.
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Colombian Gold
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Hi Muddy,
Such a lot of questions in such a short paragraph my friend! could lead to a book, mostly of speculations, lol
Yes she has been a real labour of love for me and for all who have had contact with her over the ages i suspect. She has a deep and profound effect. She has been cared for over many years, generations even, by the most passionate and caring Cannabis lovers.
These lines are often reffered to as 'Oldtimers' Haze lines, although he would not want them named as such, i feel, as he has always said to me they where not his and that he just cared for them. Don't think many really understood that point. It is the same for me, they are not my work at all, i dont like it when i see 'HHF's Haze' even as a refferance, it definately is not mine. To me it is simply 'The Haze'.
I have done nothing with them apart from make a assecion of seed, and make it available to the public. I truly hope the Newschool can prove to be worthy of them and look after them just as well as the Oldschool. You have to help me with this, its in all our interest to promote and see conservation of the line. That means keeping them pure and maintaining the diversity within the genepool as much as is possible.
These are pure Hazes and to my mind this is the first time that Pure Haze has been available for some time, if ever. We thought long and hard about whether to release these lines to the public, or to keep them in cooler. I trust my comrades and know there love for the plant is deep and true. I feel now that todays cultivators may hopefully understand the importance of these old Heirlooms, that we have learnt from the past losses of great Cultivars and are capable of looking after the genepool more responsibly.
At least I hope so, if not then we just don't deserve the 'el primo' at all and she is better off deep stored for the future generations.
We hope through friends here and about to open Indoor and Outdoor Haze lines. To grow them in multiple locations and keep a pool of mixed seeds from these lines mixed and hopefully we will one day be able to have pure Indoor and Outdoor Hazes that have been acclimatised over many grow environments and have been adapated on a family level for the way we grow today, whilst maintaining the inherent genetic diversity within the line. This project will be conducted on the web, for all to see and we will welcome cultivators to join in that programme to ensure the conservation goals are met, Newschool, Open source breeding my friend.
These lines are real Heirlooms that predate our knowledge of modern Cannabis breeding, and all the published accounts of the 'Oldschool'. If all the dates and memories are correct then these lines pre date the Haze brothers work, as the brothers had not even started growing when these lines where around in Cali. I know for sure there where crops being sold and marketed as 'Haze' herbs in and around Cali prior to the '70's there may be other Haze lines, these originate from the Mother Earth peoples.
For me, i personally see a lot of Colombian genetics in these Hazes. To my mind they are Colombian dominant, and I see traces of many of the old South American lines in them. Personally i feel that the Haze is a lot more than a 4 way combination. I think a lot more varieties have gone into the composition, and a lot of them Colombians.
I have no comment on the other commercial Haze lines. Never will have.
This is the 'crux of the biscuit'
There is no way that what we have in the genetics of these Haze lines could be repeated. No matter what anyone thinks. Some things are just far greater than the sum of their parts and these where built field scale, pre prohibitions. They contain selections of the best Sativas found on earth, selections made by the most commited Cannabis and plant lovers. Those people and places do not exist anymore.
There where no lights, no hydro, no indoor, no clones, no chemicals at that time. These lines come from a time before commercial Cannabis farming, when there was only connisuer cultivators in the countries of origins of these lines, and they where cultivating Landraces and only small importers smuggling only the finest herbs. After the 70's and the advent of the mass market for Cannabis every corner of the earth has been touched by commercial farming and the genetic exchanges have almost whiped out many of the lines that went into the Hazes in pure unadulterated forms.
That is why they are soo important to maintain pure, open and diverse, because this line contains the very best landrace genetics selected by the very best eyes and hearts, from a time long gone.
This line is our source of and gateway to the best landrace selections of the Oldschool.
All the best, Flowers
Orangelazaris
Member
I'm pleased to hear that Zamalito is going to have a hand in the selection of stock!
God speed zamalman!
Best,
OL
God speed zamalman!
Best,
OL
muddy waters
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terrific post, HHF, thank you for the time and thought put into it. you certainly whet my appetite and made me consider how grateful we should be for the selection and propagation that have gone on over hundreds if not thousands of years to make cannabis what it is today. thanks again.
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De nada Amigo,
Glad you got that from it actually Muddy, as it is very hard on the net to convey ones feelings, and what you have just written is exactly as i feel. So thank you.
Peace, HHF
redrider
Active member
Coming home
Coming home
Peace from Colombia!
Coming home
Thats what I'm talking about HHF! Things in our lives are always uncertain but I plan on taking your old pure haze and inbreeding them in the Colombian highlands. Pure and natural the way Mj is suppose to be. I am smoking some fine Sativa now.....
Peace from Colombia!
Sounds like the life I wish I could live, being a caretaker of the genetics that have been refined and even generated over the milenia. Are you going to keep some pool of geens random? Seems that would extend the longevity the haze will have for longer than inbreeding where you loose genetics no?
redrider
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Here's the deal, I have a friend that has a farm in a perfect climate about 40 minutes from me. I still need to talk a little more to her but I want to grow out HHFs haze there at her farm. I plan to only grow the haze there and just inbreed them with themselves, selectively of course. Now my friend doesn't smoke or consume Mj but she is interested in the plant it self and (now this is interesting) she has a man that lives and works the farm for her and this guy (looks to be in his 60s) use to grow "export" Mj back in 70s/80s. Anyway she said he could help me grow them if I wanted, I think thats pretty cool but I haven't really had time to talk to this very interesting guy. I hope to get this Haze growing early next year with pics that will blow your mind!
Peace
Peace
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Thats excellant news Red, she works in mysterious ways, proberly just planning her route ahead, it is 'kachina'. Could be a fantastic find for sure this old cultivator, people like that have the habbit of dropping little peices of golden information that are like lost peices of jigsaws. Be great to hear of your conversations with them. Im happy there going into a good place there. Cant wait for the pics, it will all take much time but that is a bonus too, i dont mind making a assecion every year and growing old with her. Thanks Red, Appreciate your help.
Going to try and keep the genepool open as possible. There is no way of expanding what we have, have tried all those routes and taken advice from the masters such as SamS, and we cannot open the genepool more than it is. At this present time. So we must do everything in our power to make sure we dont lose any more and preserve what we have. We are starting some grow outs with friends outdoors in Africa, the Mediteranean, South America and Southern American locations for next year.
These growers will all make their own selections and return seeds to us from their selections made by open pollinations. We will mix these seeds in a pool, then share them back out for the next year to do it all again. Over a number of assecions we should be able to improve the line rather than lose anymore genes and at least this project will see a pool of seeds being maintained.
We are also doing the same indoors, with a number of growers making selections and plants for a indoor line. That we hope may adapt a pure Haze line for differing grow room environments around the world over time and on a family level without losing too many more genes and of course without hybridisations.
Obviously we have also deep stored seeds for the future and are placing seeds in the most secure seed banks around the world, those outside of the commercial seed business loop for long term safety.
But ultimately it falls upon us all to do what we can severally and collectively to promote conservation of this plant line.
Peace, HHF
redrider
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Well sir if I can (and believe me I'm going to do everything I can) you should be receiving some the best Colombian grown pure Haze in a few short months/years. I think after a few generations are grown out down here they get close to what they were to start with or better. Oh I forgot to say my friends work (the grower) has never use Mj in his life, so I think it's high time to introduce my friend and the other to my love Mj. What do you think I should start them out with? an indica or sativa, I have both ready to burn.
Peace from Colombia
Peace from Colombia
red, give him a colombian man, he's from there, introduce him like everyone gets introduced there, with corintiano or punto rojo, let him take one or two good tokes off a nice spliff and wait for 15min, if nothing, two more, but take it easy, he'll feel it. 
peace!
peace!
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idontgivenames
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indica. ive found sativas can be intense for new people. indica will always chill a brotha out. then again, he might love the sativas intense mental high. smoke him out with hash man.
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What Paz said
Can only be this way. Lucky man. Be sure to let us know his smoke report!
Peace, HHF
redrider
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I do have a lot of that Gold left (I smoke it and smoke and still seem to have pounds left) so I might turn em on with that first. BTW my mother said no more canna cookies, she said she didn't like the effect (made her too sleepy). However she loves looking at the plants and talking about the strains and growing em. It would be nice to sit and burn a big fat joint with someone else, it's been close to 4 years since I've done that.
redrider,
Those Colombian Coastal Green plants you had there on page two look awesome! Those have a nice healthy green color to them. I have only grown vintage skunk in the woods. Any and all of the plants that you post pics of look truly beautiful! Man you are growing a diamond in a rough. Most people cannot grow/have patience with those 14+ week flowers. My hat is def off to you as I am def envious.
DarkGreen
Those Colombian Coastal Green plants you had there on page two look awesome! Those have a nice healthy green color to them. I have only grown vintage skunk in the woods. Any and all of the plants that you post pics of look truly beautiful! Man you are growing a diamond in a rough. Most people cannot grow/have patience with those 14+ week flowers. My hat is def off to you as I am def envious.
DarkGreen
redrider
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Well thanks DarkGreen, I really don't do much to the plants, the climate here seems to do the all the work. I do grow faster finishing strains and thats the key to waiting on those super long flowering strains is have some good smoke while you wait. And I just grow for one reason "smoke", I try to grow the best so I can smoke the best. Thanks again for the most gracious complement.
