Coco Tree's

[Twisted pleasur]

Glad to see shit hasn't changed around here... Same old bullshit just different Idiots...

Hello to the old school mofo's glad everyone is well... Thought Id Pop in and see if DJM was around to say hello.. But he got smart and moved on still...Ill catch him elsewhere Later fellas

 

[down2grow]

DJM,

Thank you for taking your time to answer my two questions a few pages back. It makes total sense now and I can't wait to get things going, but I might have an issue with my 20x11 room. I went over there a couple of days ago and my ceiling isn't evenly flat throughout. In the middle of my potential room it has drywall covering some ducting that leads outside into a crawl space. The drywall is about 6-8" lower than my ceiling and it's about 3-3 1/2 feet wide. Should I run two smaller fans(one on each side of the room) or should I break that dry wall and run the ducting down the middle like how you do? The only problem with breaking the drywall is that there will still be ducting that leads to the crawl space and it'll cause a "U" shape in my "cooling" duct. I'm just worried that the far side of the room won't get cool air cause it'll lose CFM due to the "U". What do you think or suggest?


Thanks again!

D2G


Edit: I broke up the big room into two smaller rooms(4k each) to avoid the uneven ceiling situation

 

[Weeded1s]

Even if you guys were right about bwana at least he didnt quit growing (dhf) or burn his grow down (djm) lol...give it rest already. If environment is key then i think we all can agree plants dont do well in fire!
The thing is...after all the shit talking and disagreeing djm did with me saying running high rh late in flower is bad, he himself (your guys god apparently) switched what he was saying half way through and low and behold... reduced his rh for the reasons i last posted.
You fan boys try to get on his good side by agreeing with him but bwanna just quoted all the solid info i needed to support my opinion and my opinion alone.
Also the thread i started be4 djm started his mentions stuff about vpd as well so quit acting like he invented some kind of new trick.
Lastly the vpd chart is designed for lettuce!

I was on OGrow as well..so quit acting like cuz you guys are maybe a bit older you know it all and deserve some kinda reward.
Your generation grew up smoking 9% thc weed ffs.
SMH

P.s. djm message me from now on, and yes we will deff meet up 1 of these days just lemme know when your on the left coast

 

[DJM]

can a mod please delete the last few pages of this thread up to my last informative post..so those in search of information arent lost in a sea of childish bickering and ego maniacal delusions based on half truths..and i can get back to updating the thread

i put this thread up to help people and put what ive learned out there..for free..to give back to a community , that from the looks of this thread is looooooooong dead ...i put up this thread to help others , thats all, if you think it holds no merit, or is completely wrong, thats cool, go elsewhere...or since some of you are so incredibly knowledgeable at growing, maybe start your own thread where you can post what you see as reality and you can rant all day there about how wrong everyone else is..and ill post what i know to be reality here...some people just want attention and they go to where they get the most of it

i appreciate those who came in trying to stand up for me, but dont feed the trolls..they obviously are just looking for the attention they never got from there mother which you can see so clearly from their posts..ignore them and they go away

im not one for arguing or measuring dicks..i grow plants..thats what this thread is about..actions speak louder than words and the last 3 pages are a sobering reminder to how dead and ruined forums and society is..i blame the parents for not raising their kids right and sending them out into the world full of ignorance and entitlement

maybe ill update this thread one day

 

[DJM]

Even if you guys were right about bwana at least he didnt quit growing (dhf) or burn his grow down (djm) lol...give it rest already. If environment is key then i think we all can agree plants dont do well in fire!

after looking through your thread, it looks like your plants could use some fire

check it out ladies and gentlemen this is what the garden of a forum know it all looks like..we should all be taking notes

weeded, you got those plants DIALED..i gotta pick your brain, thats horticulture at its finest

 

[Globule]

I believe that is what is known in the game as checkmate

 

[coldcanna]

DJM that's a clone only strain- CRISPY KUSH. It's supposed to look like that, we can't get it on the east coast

 

[McKush]

CTRL+R, CTRL+R.......

Edited to maybe draw some attention to my current sig. Placed there for me but anyone is welcome to it. Peace

 

[Slipnot]

Dam same shit over and over lets all be realistic here, know one is going to make millions growing weed, its like the american dream..

Just that its a dream. You can get by but seriously.. And anyone spewing out crap like they are is utter BS .. that there getting rich lol To funny but anyways
Everyones geological area's are different strains are different , i always grew High RH until last couple weeks where temps and RH starts to drop ..

The problem today is everyone flips to bloom and drop RH below 50 ASAP just like bloom nutes and wonders why 3 weeks in there are issues

There is no right or wrong way to growing same thing applies with higher RH you just have to read plants and find out what ranges works best Trial and error.

I came into growing as a cash cropper and now i grow for personal out door and now true breed man oh man Mendo purps clone x Male purple train wreck starting to get some nice colors nice reds, fluorescent pinks going to be some nice things happening here shortly there is no substitute all natural 100 percent organic grown mother natures way

PS: DHF what environment controllers did you use or did they have to dial in your room last Century
yeah old fucker peace






 

[Weeded1s]

Those came out of promix and transplanted into coco to save them so you do the math tough guy. ...and all plants were saved.
Now be a good tool and message me next time djm aka firestarter! Lol
P.s. im in need of a consult...im unfmiliar with burning houses down and need a grandpa like you to help me bro.

 

[Lifebreather]

This is one of the few instances where an internet back-and-forth isn't entertaining.

It's a short walk to madness.

 

[MoPho]

VPD=Vapor pressure deficit
VPD does not mean HIGH or LOW rh. It means where the rh is relative to temp.



For all those that says DJM doesn't run VPD because he lowers his RH late in flowering is wrong. Actually EVERYONE is running "VPD", it is just that some are running in the optimal range and some aren't. When he lowers his RH he also lowers his temp according to RH and vice versa to bring it as close to optimal levels as he can.



So people on both side of the fence are right. People who say that they can achieve good results with lower RH is right, but good result doesn't necessarily mean RH/temp is at optimal levels.

With that being said. I honestly don't see what the bickering is about. Low or High RH will still produce results. Can it be better? Probably. I think anyone disagreeing or agreeing needs to see things from all angles. In any grow room anything can be a limiting factor NOT just one. ie..Your environment can be completely dialed in, but if you feed your plant plain tap water, you won't see "great results". Neither will force feeding your plants 5.0 ec. Yes the examples are extreme, but it is to make a point.

What I am learning so far is that there are pros and cons to each method/technique/tips or tricks that you read about. It is for you to take them and modify it to best fit your situation. NO SINGLE technique is going to give you day and night results. Each thing must be tweaked accordingly. To get the best result each and every time, the whole "set it and forget it" mindset has to be thrown out the window.
"VPD"
"Low P"
"PGRs"
"Topping"
"LST"
"Temps"
"Lighting"
"RH"
"Feeding schedule"
"Nute strength"
"Pest free"
"C02 levels"
EVERYTHING
so on and so forth....there is more than one way to skin ALL these cats.
I guess what I am trying to say is everything needs to be dialed in, but done so according to everything else.
Sorry for being long winded

 

[Bwanabud]

MoPho, the calm voice of reason ...that's all I was ever saying. DJM has a system that works great for him, and his results prove that...his thread is informative and helpful to all growers.

I know he was lowering his humidity level late in flower, but never saw him post the final results. I've had problems with high humidity in late flower, no matter how much air movement or exchanges took place. I run a much higher RH level in veg and early bloom, but purely running my environment by VPD isn't always possible for me...and sacrifices other requirements/conditions.

You borrow a little advice here, and a little there till you find the sweet spot for your strains...then dial it in and experiment in small tweaks. There's many ways to grow, and we never quit learning.

Props to DJM for a great thread, and sharing his knowledge with the members

 

[down2grow]

When I first read about VPD on this thread I thought it was crazy, but if you read around there is hella reputable growers on this site running their rooms with VPD. Delta and all of the PPKers do it, Krunchbubble does it, but I guess none of them know wtf is going on either. Can't diss on a style unless you try it. I'm not a fan boy, I'm not kissing ass, I'm here to learn.

D2G

 

[coldcanna]

Mods should clean this up pronto... too much great material to have 4 pages of this crap

 

[highsociety420]

Dude, how can someone dont believe in VPD? Its actually how plants grow, the right ambiente humidity relative to the right temps, get the stomata of the plant to open. This define how much water will the plant drink. Too high VPD will make stomata close and plant dont drink water, too low slows down transpiration. This is the basic knowledge for plant growth. Its not a belief thing, its plant science.

 

[Slipnot]

Anyways where are these coco trees pictures expecting a tree not some usual lanky small as piece of shit so put up some pics

 

[coldcanna]

Anyways where are these coco trees pictures expecting a tree not some usual lanky small as piece of shit so put up some pics

Did you read the first 20 pages of this thread?

 

[MikeGreat]

This is a fantastic thread that has educated many of us on theory of VPD. I personally have applied some of the rules followed by the OP and I had great results... If you don't agree with his teachings then move on but is not very constructive to post with intent to damage a great product.

 

[Slipnot]

Did you read the first 20 pages of this thread?

I did and found it odd his claims of 27 pounds ??? with 12 k of lighting with the amount of plants .. to give you a idea on how much that would be putting it into real time 108 pounds wet
Sorry its not there but it does look nice non of the less ..

As a former grower that did large power rooms there becomes a point where adding power diminishes an in most cases when people start adding more power.
GPW drops most in most cases there in the .65 range its weird how it works but its true just look at some big power grow rooms on this site ..

Then we get into VPD which i assure you know one is getting it right ..
Its rather difficult (VPD) is also used to indicate humidity and is felt to be more directly related to a plants well being. VPD combines the effects of both humidity AND temperature into one value and so gives a good indication of plant well being without the need for the grower to do any mental arithmetic. VPD values run in the opposite way to RH values so when RH is high VPD is low.

If humidity is too low (i.e. high VPD), the stomata on the leaves tend to close in order to limit transpiration and prevent wilting. This closing of the stomata will also limit the rate of CO2 uptake and hence limit photosynthesis and consequently plant growth. Low humidity also reduces turgidity (water pressure within the plant cells) and this in turn also restricts growth. Blossom end rot in tomatoes and capsicum can also be attributed to low humidity (high VPD).

Conversely, if humidity is too high (i.e. low VPD) the stomata will fully open but even so the plants will be unable to evaporate enough water to carry minerals into the plant and so again, growth will be impeded and mineral deficiencies (particularly calcium) may occur. In addition, the plants may exhibit soft growth, fungal problems and mineral deficiency symptoms.

It is frequently stated that VPD more closely matches what the plant "feels" in relation to temperature and humidity and therefore forms a better basis for environment control. Unfortunately, VPD is extremely difficult to determine accurately as it is necessary to know the leaf tissue temperature. Attempts to measure leaf temperature reliably on an ongoing basis have often ended in disaster.
One of the problems is that the plants leaves are in differing amounts of sun with some leaves in full sun, some in partial sun and others in full shade. This makes the concept of "leaf tissue temperature" particularly complex.