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[Bwanabud]

but what do we know, the real masters of the game are Bwana & weeded, they have experienced far more in the garden than us...

Leave me out of your conversation , I'm running over 100 HPS lights every month of the year...I know a thing or 2 also.

ps: I didn't stop by to ruin DJM's thread, just state I don't believe in high RH in late flower...nor the VPD "system".

 

[MoPho]

This is/was a great thread. Can we please please leave the unnecessary bickering and useless posts off of here? I think there should be a thread/forum just for people to let off some steam or go at it with each other.

I've seen one too many terrific threads left to die because it turned into a pissing contest.

Last thing we need is for people like DJM and other contributors of good info to get discourage and stop posting in this thread or any other all together.

Thanks.

 

[Dion]

sorry to interrupt the pissing contests guys


just wanted to say nice trees DJM, keep up the good work brother!

 

[Ravenboy]

i thought about posting

just because you sees them doesn't mean ya hasta call them

but i decided its useless

so ignore this post please

 

[DunHav`nFun]

The reason DJM`s walked away from these forums more than once is STRAIGHT due to all the dumbass know-it-all kiddies that`ve grown a plant or 2 and call bullshit on things they have absolutely no fuckin clue over.....now....

Bwanabud.....for your dumbass to come into 1 of the most descriptive and well laid out setup for croppin big plants in a perpetual manner and say "you don`t do the VPD" only shows your ignorance and LACK of grow knowledge....plus....

For you to come back after being called out and stating you run 100 lights EVERY month of the year and DON`T know that environment is first and foremost in ANY setup with VPD being the MOST important factor in consistent increased yields , only shows me to call bullshit on your NO album , GROWIN in an illegal state with 100 lighters being completely see through , and makes me wonder if you`ve ever done a 1 lighter ...jus sayin........

Prove me wrong Mr Blumat and UFC know-it -all....Come into 1 of the only old heads left on public forums that actually tries to help all you fuckin kids and you shit on him ?....and...

Weeded....You absolutely have no clue about controlling environment with your OWN explanation of what happens in late flower with higher humidity levels due to the fact you NEVER learned howta control it for your benefit as well as the plants rewarding you with increased yields and better finished product , because you have no clue....

I grew up in the Hell of the deep southeast where DJM did , and we learned about VPD first hand , and major air exchange twice per minute allowed me to grow 10 lb rooms with 4 plants in krusty buckets for well on a decade with 70% RH yr round , but.....

I did try to drop levels as much as I could with dehueys in late flower , but with dialed plants suckin juice and sweatin it out into the room up till Harvey , it was hard , but constant airflow inside the rooms with air exchange twice per minute , not once in well over 20 yrs of croppin did I EVER experiencew any budrot , powdery mildew , OR fluffy airy buds come chop....and why ?....

Cuz when weedsites began it was folks teaching and learning from each other instead of all you young med carded punks playin social media about the nugs yas got hoonin in your closets and tents....and....

We listened and did what we were told instead of callin bullshit cuz yas couldn`t wrap your heads around providing perfect environment BEFORE blastin their ass with light , so lastly....

I apologize to DJM for havin to put up with you idiots when he in NO way has to , and both of us have deleted our accounts here more than I care to think about DIRECTLY related to kiddie know-it-all trolls that have no clue and couldn`t grow their way out of a paper bag.....so....

Leave this thread alone and get the fuck out if you have nothing positive to post....DJM went to IG and then had a fire if I remember correctly in my old age , so again Weeded...runnin away ain`t what us old heads do , it`s what you wanna be`s do when you get outed for your bullshit....and as I leave....

Bwanabud and his 100 light blumat set up is what I wanna see ....Now put up or shut up UFC wanna be....

Peace....DHF.... ....

 

[Bwanabud]

Dun Havin Fun, you're a jerk off loud mouth.

I do have albums posted, they are private and my "friends" can see them. I'm not a UFC wanta be, I'm a fan of the sport...if I like soccer it doesn't mean I'm a wanta be soccer player ya moron.

I have rooms in more than 1 location, I'm on other sites with pictures posted for years, I know more about environment and controls than you ever will. I live in an illegal state, and being able to control my smells/sounds and yet grow quality product is paramount...along with protecting my freedom.

I seem to know a lot about Blumat systems for being a 1 light grower huh ?, did you see the pictures in there ?...or just shoot your mouth off first....right. Running pressurized systems with rez's, yep just a small time guy like you

Have a good night DB

PS: Dun and aint fun, I don't see any albums on your profile page ???, guess you're just a wanta-be grower too huh

 

[MoPho]

DHF I've seen you pop in and out now and then. Is it safe to say you are the same DHF from back in the OG days?

You are absolutely right about "do what we were told"....though there were some bickering on OG it just seems like now more so then before, what gives? It is sad that people are not more open minded about trying things out. Give it a chance and if it works, great and you are better for it, if not at least you learn what "not to do". Seems like everyone is so quick to pull out their cocks and compare sizes.

This is how I look at everything that goes against my method/habits/train of thought.

If 1 person says I am wrong...then hey either one of us can be right/wrong
If 2 people tells me I am wrong...then I need to put my thinking cap on
If more and more people tells me I am wrong....I better start doing some serious re-evaluation and make some changes.

As how this applies to me growing....hey if the experienced and knowledgeable growers all seem to be on the same boat. Then maybe it would be smart of me to buy a ticket, hop on boat, see what the fuss is about. If I like what I see, continue on the trip. If not, hop off and bid farewell and thank them for at least willing to share some knowledge.

Even I argue/disagree methods what not at some point or another BUT NEVER DO I SEE THE NEED TO BELITTLE ANYONE AND/OR START NAME CALLING. But that's just me.

 

[Bwanabud]

I agree MoPho,
There are a lot of ways to grow, and I'm not insulting DJM's methods...we all can learn till we die and still not know everything. But we have to think outside the box, and be willing to learn and experiment to achieve the best results...then be willing to share the knowledge.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Dun Havin Fun, you're a jerk off loud mouth.

I do have albums posted, they are private and my "friends" can see them. I'm not a UFC wanta be, I'm a fan of the sport...if I like soccer it doesn't mean I'm a wanta be soccer player ya moron.

I have rooms in more than 1 location, I'm on other sites with pictures posted for years, I know more about environment and controls than you ever will. I live in an illegal state, and being able to control my smells/sounds and yet grow quality product is paramount...along with protecting my freedom.

I seem to know a lot about Blumat systems for being a 1 light grower huh ?, did you see the pictures in there ?...or just shoot your mouth off first....right. Running pressurized systems with rez's, yep just a small time guy like you

Have a good night DB

PS: Dun and aint fun, I don't see any albums on your profile page ???, guess you're just a wanta-be grower too huh

If you`ve been on all these other boards all these yrs and have never learned or cared about Vapor Pressure Deficit having a "significant" effect on your bottom line , then I wouldn`t want to see the returns on your 100 lighter projects....now.....

As far as my albums go , I`m no wanna be , I`m Dun and retired havin fun for several yrs , and only post here to help folks as I see the need based on my personal experiences , not hearsay or conjecture....that said....I`m pretty sure MoPho was talking about you calling me a jerk off loud mouth since all I said about you was pretty obvious to the older members here.....but I digress....

I`ve been on ALL the weedsites since they began in Europe in the early 90`s , not to mention every public site there ever was as Dedhedfred , DHF , and DunHav`nFun , so if you`ve never seen any of my posts , I wonder about your so called having been around for yrs....regardless....

Ego has no place in helpin folks....Everything I`ve ever posted has been from personal hands on experience....Sorry you don`t "do the VPD" , but....I tell you what...

Friend me and let me see your private shit with 100 lighters and pressurized blumat setups , and I won`t call you a fraud anymore in an illegal state....

I have no pics and have never had any as long as I`ve been online helpin folks , and I assure you there`s many folks that will vouch for my knowledge and experience.....so....

I`m done , and won`t respond past this , but for you to state you know more than I ever will about environment made me laugh....EVERYONE here at IC that knows me will tell you straight up about my rules of thumb....Environment first and foremost...

You say when I called you out you didn`t try to shit on DJM`s thread by stating "you don`t do the VPD" when that`s 1 of the most important parts of croppin bigger healthier plants that he was stressing in his posts ?...but yet...

You do 100 lighters on a monthly basis and have no clue about VPD and don`t care to , and yet know more about environment than I ever will ?...?....I`m waiting laughingly for the next response....better yet....I`m done so....please...

Don`t....DHF.... .....

 

[coldcanna]

 

[BAYSIK401]

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[Bwanabud]

As far as my albums go , I`m no wanna be , I`m Dun and retired havin fun for several yrs , and only post here to help folks as I see the need based on my personal experiences , not hearsay or conjecture....I have no pics and have never had any as long as I`ve been online helpin folks , and I assure you there`s many folks that will vouch for my knowledge and experiencethat said.

Friend me and let me see your private shit with 100 lighters and pressurized blumat setups , and I won`t call you a fraud anymore in an illegal state....

I`m done , and won`t respond past this , but for you to state you know more than I ever will about environment made me laugh....EVERYONE here at IC that knows me will tell you straight up about my rules of thumb....Environment first and foremost...

You say when I called you out you didn`t try to shit on DJM`s thread by stating "you don`t do the VPD" when that`s 1 of the most important parts of croppin bigger healthier plants that he was stressing in his posts ?...

You do 100 lighters on a monthly basis and have no clue about VPD and don`t care to , and yet know more about environment than I ever will ?...?....I`m waiting laughingly for the next response......DHF.... .....

So basically the rules are different for you:
1)No pictures ever
2)No albums
3)You don't grow at all
4)But you get to "call anyone out you want"

That's funny shit...but if I'd like to fulfill my life with your respect I can befriend you, how bout if I just find a statue in your likeness and worship it daily, would that suffice ? Why you'd assume I'd give 1 fuck what you think about me is a joke, I don't feel the need to "prove" anything to you curmudgeon.

You just put words in peoples mouths, it makes you feel smarter...and bigger. I never said environment wasn't important, I instead said "I don't do VPD"...meaning there are other variables in play that are just as important, I control the whole process and air changes. Everyone knows who you are by your condescending and childish tone, you'll never learn anything in life because you're too busy listening to Springsteen's "Glory Days".

Grow the fuck up, and learn to spell and use english properly...hell go back to 4th grade and learn something with all your free time.

BTW: Read(if you can)DJM's post below, now it's best to close your mouth to actually learn...you have a good day blowhard.

Last 3 runs I've been experimenting with tapering off high temps and rh at different points in the flower cycle. I now begin to drop temps and Rh gradually during the last 3 weeks, or the ripening stage of flower, after the bulk of the flowers are formed..by the last 7 days im now down to 70f and 60%, sometimes even 65 and 60 to bring out more color...pretty much drop temps and rh 5 degrees\5 % each week till harvest..so you guys were on the right track...looks like I'm not needed here anymore

which is good because I can't answer every question and good growers will always figure things out on thier own. Trial and error is your friend

Learn anything DHF ?...still talking huh asshole

 

[MoPho]

Not trying to step on any toes, but seriously this back and forth BS needs to stop. There is no need whatsoever to let this childish bickering continue. If both of you want to do it, PLEASE do it on YOUR OWN TIME and in the PMs. All you guys are doing is wasting everyone else's time that is here to try and learn. This thread was doing well until the last few pages, filled with nothing but useless blabbering.

DHF I've read a lot of your posts here and at OG. I respect you as a grower quite a bit and many times took your advices to heart. If you honestly believe that you are a better grower and man than Bwanabud, you can start by being the bigger person and put a stop to this. Same to you Bwanabud.

 

[the gnome]

 

[Fatty Bubba]

"you'll never learn anything in life because you're too busy listening to Springsteen's "Glory Days".

Hahhah well said

 

[Trich_Tyson]

Shenanigans..

Just wanted to say once again that this thread is probably one of the most informative and well put together on the board. Damn near every single post has been copied and pasted into a doc for reference..
same goes for DHF's posts through the board..

just saying.

keep on rocking dude.. your outdoor looks fantastic.. hope it's awesomeness doesn't deter you from an indoor winter run.

 

[BAYSIK401]

Shenanigans..

Just wanted to say once again that this thread is probably one of the most informative and well put together on the board. Damn near every single post has been copied and pasted into a doc for reference..
same goes for DHF's posts through the board..

just saying.

keep on rocking dude.. your outdoor looks fantastic.. hope it's awesomeness doesn't deter you from an indoor winter run.

Just wanted to say... RI-P! DECEPTICON SEAN!! Love the whole BCC/MFC team... Sean one of my favorite emcees all time... him RedMan, Kool G, Roc Marciano, KA, WESTSIDE GUNN and Conway the machine(last few newer cats but still nasty)... can go on and on... I have only a cpl things outside family I truly love... cannabis and hip hop..

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Glory days....That`s some funny shit....My apologies again to MoPho and Gnome....but...

Since I`m an asshole , I`ll bow out and burn up gracefully Bwana...running your mouth to keep up with the big boys gets you tested ok ?

100 light setups done every 3 months with standard 2lbs per light gives 4 crops per yr with min. 2K per unit wholesale to the tune of 800 lbs per yr @ 1.6 mil before overhead.....now....

IF you`re doin THIS kinda shit in an illegal state , AND getting away with it for ANY length of time , Why the fuck are you posting on a kiddie PUBLIC weedsite for the most part bragging about it and preaching blumats as the be all end all way ta crop....Glory days huh ?........

Plus .....You can spew bullshit back my way all you see fit , but I`ve helped 1000`s over the yrs dial their environment and make the most out of their grow areas based on what I learned from the ones older and wiser than me....

As far as you quoting DJM`s post about reducing RH during late flower , It has ALWAYS been my suggestion when there was insufficient air exchange or airflow inside said grow area to lower RH as much as possible , so skirting the issue means zero when you plainly stated "you don`t do the VPD"....right ?....aight....

Took me 30+ yrs HARD croppin outside and inside over to retire with 12 rental homes , 52 acre cattle farm with 5 acre lake IN front , a lakehouse on a major southern reservoir , and a beach house on the gulf coast I rent out during spring and summer to pay property taxes on a 3.6 mil appraisal last yr....and for the record...


Why the fuck are YOU still croppin with that kinda volume and risk ....If I did what you SAY you do for 5 yrs , I`d have mine and be GONE....neither here nor there.....

I`m STILL appalled at the disrespect so-called kiddie cropper wannabe`s that come into established well documented threads that do NOTHING but help folks , with responses like I don`t do the VPD but I didn`t disrespect DJM when I said it...or....

Attack other members that call em out on their bullshit....and now.....I STILL call bullshit on your so called 100 lighter setup you run EVERY month of the yr.....anyways....

You can take this to PM if you MUST continue to try and convince everyone here you`re bigger and better than , but you STILL won`t show us 1.6 mil of production on a yearly basis you control in an illegal state that I call complete bullshit on....

Call em like I see em....I`m retired and helpin folks not make the same mistakes I made over the yrs , but yet you`re here bragging about 100 light setups in an illegal state with 800 lb capacity harvest every yr for what reason ?........with blumats..........

Believe me .....regardess what you come back with , the only response you`ll get from me is NOT in a thread....

You wanna bat knowledge and experience back and forth , PM`s are open....You could definitely learn a thing or 2 in several areas....and lastly....

Education was my strong suit with a degree in Engineering , but my best friend was a hippie ass genius and got a botany scholarship to a major southern university back in the day....

Talked me into growin dope outside on 10000 acres of paper co land surrounded in razor ribbon for a dozen yrs before ever thinking about growing inside , and the rest I did as a 1 man show for over 20 yrs.....

No dumbass glory day bumpkin over here dewd....You could learn some respect , but I know better with kids like you....again...since you like to win , feel free to blast all you see fit....

You`re a fraud and full of shit.....You couldn't run 100 lights if they laid in your lap with folks ta hang em for you....

No more from me.....DHF....

 

[Bwanabud]

DHF,
I'm not sure why to even retort, since anything I say is bullshit....but I didn't start the insults and accusations, you did. I have enough issues and stress to deal with everyday, without having to defend myself against your unfounded statements.

Stress:
1) My 28 year old daughter lies in a hospital bed brain dead for the past 3 years, advanced A-Platic Anemia that's morphed to Leukemia...I visit her 3 times a week.
2) My 17 year old daughter has been fighting bone cancer for 2 years, has 10% survival rate...Ewing Sarcoma, morphs from a gene in the mother at birth. I take her in for chemo and treatment 3-4 times a week.
3)Yes I manage and own over 100 lites in multiple locations, with the help of paid worker bees...who without their help wouldn't be possible time wise. I make medicine for my daughter with cancer, she hates Oxi and the fear of being an addict....I could explain what I make and the positive results...but that is probably bullshit too.

The pictures of my sick/dying children are in/have been in my album, and many people here and elsewhere can vouch for their horrific journey. Whether you think that's also bullshit, has zero effect on my life... what you think of me is irrelevant...I have far larger priorities than bantering with you or caring about gaining your respect(as a grower, or man).

PS: I have 2 engineering degrees and a business degree...that's not bullshit either. I owned very successful businesses before life took over, my family comes first...freedom is second.



PS: I don't need nor want anyone's sympathy or compassion...but it's always best to walk in a mans shoes, before you spit in his face.

 

[JKD]

The way VPD works DJM is still in the sweet spot when he drops temps and humidity.

This link leads to a VPD chart which shows this effect:

http://www.just4growers.com/media/1315/vapor_pressure_deficit_relative_humidity_chart_small.jpg