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CMH vs LED vs HPS

snakedope

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This dude is just talking. He says picture don’t matter, science don’t matter! I even posted a real side by side with results.
Who cares about your side by side ? Don't you know how to read or u just post shit from your head, read ! Smoke test ! Your smoke test ! Not anyone else ! Science lies, get used to it, Sorry you had to find out about it like this😁
And they even talked about the actual perception of the smoke and it’s effects! That’s don’t matter either. He is essentially saying nothing matters other than his opinion 😂
No that's what u say, I have nothing to do with your ranting.
he claims he has state of the art LED but it probably would have been easier to type the name of the light than state of the art. This guy doesn’t own LED. He is just talking.
Stupid, go read the entire thread.
😂😂😂 so clearly everybody can see you’re afraid to share the LED light you used because either you’re lying and didn’t use it or I was right about the out put and you don’t want everybody to see that I was right… so you’re afraid to share it. As I said you were quick to share you use a 1kw solis tek but afraid to share what 600w LED you used? Just go hide unless you will come back and share the truth to actually give a real opinion based off real results. You don’t want to help people. You just want to go against LED
Really do you read or think before u post your nonsense ?
😂😂😂 well I guess that good LED bud have me like that buddy… that is your response to me asking what light you used😂 you’re so afraid and it’s clear to see why
No one is afraid of anything, I used samsung 301 in my panels, that was 2 years ago
No kingbrite bullshit, stop speculation, you are best at that we can tell

Nice ! Welcome to the 10% club amigo, your bud looks great, dunno about the smoke so I won't say anything but overall seeing 0% fox tails is very good.
 

Cactus Squatter

Well-known member
Yes you do. I see amazing look bud for cheap because it's led bud that only lasts 30min an your rolling up again
That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.
 

linde

Well-known member
That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.
I agree on the calcium. I would guess adding a little dolomite lime to the soil might help with the LEDs. I may give the LED one more try this spring when the temps get too high for HID. Dolomite will definitely be added.
 

Gooseman23

Active member
Sproutboxx. There now go take your meds and drink some cold water.
Finally! And it’s exactly as I expected please see image attached. You by your own admittance said your solis tek has atleast 2x2 more coverage remember? Well if you simply read the product description of the sprout box 600w bar light you see it clearly says up to 4x4 coverage… and you see it says 1548 which as I said we can clearly see the solis tek 1kw DE hps has 2100 umols. So it doesn’t take a scientist to see that the sprout ox would have less coverage and produce less bud. And if you are using your DE in a 5x5 and then you put this light that’s only rated up to 4x4 to cover a 5x5 then that would clearly explain why your buds may not have been as dense or high quality. You simply didn’t give your plants enough light. And this took me 2 seconds to google. So as I said before it sounds like you guys did not do enough research and this is why you had lackluster success with LED. And in the actual description on their website they say it’s for 3x3 up to 4x4. But you’re comparing it to a light for 5x5… I’m also posting the link directly to their site. Look at the pictures. They show the par map… it clearly shows the coverage in a 4x4 that this light is barely able to even cover good in that. I wouldn’t recommend this light and I see exactly why you had not so good success comparing it to 1000w hps. And if you did your research you wouldn’t have even bought this light thinking it would compare at all. Just actually read the listing and tell me what made you think it would compare? Now go back and look at the links I posted and see how those would do better. I didn’t even look at spectrum because I don’t need to go that far into it to see the obvious that it won’t compare. And they don’t even lie and say it will so how you thought that idk…
sproutboxx

now let’s see if snake dope will share his supposedly state of the art light so we can see he probably did the exact same thing but is afraid to admit it.
 

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GoatCheese

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Veteran
There's a few growers on here that have partially swapped to led. I'd love to see lap tests comparing their hid vs led...

All of the scientific mumbojumbo says that LEDS are superior. Better spectrum this and that. I have yet to see better results.

CXB3590 vs MH/HPS vs 650W ChilLED​

 

linde

Well-known member
Finally! And it’s exactly as I expected please see image attached. You by your own admittance said your solis tek has atleast 2x2 more coverage remember? Well if you simply read the product description of the sprout box 600w bar light you see it clearly says up to 4x4 coverage… and you see it says 1548 which as I said we can clearly see the solis tek 1kw DE hps has 2100 umols. So it doesn’t take a scientist to see that the sprout ox would have less coverage and produce less bud. And if you are using your DE in a 5x5 and then you put this light that’s only rated up to 4x4 to cover a 5x5 then that would clearly explain why your buds may not have been as dense or high quality. You simply didn’t give your plants enough light. And this took me 2 seconds to google. So as I said before it sounds like you guys did not do enough research and this is why you had lackluster success with LED. And in the actual description on their website they say it’s for 3x3 up to 4x4. But you’re comparing it to a light for 5x5… I’m also posting the link directly to their site. Look at the pictures. They show the par map… it clearly shows the coverage in a 4x4 that this light is barely able to even cover good in that. I wouldn’t recommend this light and I see exactly why you had not so good success comparing it to 1000w hps. And if you did your research you wouldn’t have even bought this light thinking it would compare at all. Just actually read the listing and tell me what made you think it would compare? Now go back and look at the links I posted and see how those would do better. I didn’t even look at spectrum because I don’t need to go that far into it to see the obvious that it won’t compare. And they don’t even lie and say it will so how you thought that idk…
sproutboxx

now let’s see if snake dope will share his supposedly state of the art light so we can see he probably did the exact same thing but is afraid to admit it.
I like the light. I never said it was junk. I simply say that I can get better overall results with the old technology. I will be using it when temps get too hot for HID. It does have uses. Great for seedlings early veg clones and mothers.
 

Gooseman23

Active member
That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.
Now see this is how you come on and give a real opinion! You didn’t hide what lights you used. And you spoke from actual experience clearly and the guys here bashing LED afraid to share what lights they used and not giving any specifics clearly are not speaking from experience.
I like the light. I never said it was junk. I simply say that I can get better overall results with the old technology. I will be using it when temps get too hot for HID. It does have uses. Great for seedlings early veg clones and mothers.
well that’s my point I see from the park maps and the spec it would do good in veg and flower the hell out of a 3x3 but not the most impressive coverage to flower a 4x4 and certainly won’t be good in a 5x5. You claimed that you compared to solis tek 1kw hps and that’s what formed your opinion on LED but I’m simply pointing out the facts of how that was a poor comparison when clearly your LED is much less light output than your hps. As I said if you want to do any kind of fair comparison then you need to match or exceed your light output. But you wanted to argue as if my points are wrong and I’ve shown you in these posts that clearly your comparison was no good. And your buddy snakedope has tucked his tail because he doesn’t want to actually share the light he used because it will be the same thing! He probably got an led with less actual out out than needed for his space and then compared it to hps that was good for the space. It’s exactly the same as comparing a 1000w hps to 600w hps. The obvious will happen. The 1000w will do better because it has much more light output. The only difference is comparing watts is inefficient to compare led to hps. You must compare actual park maps and actual ppf. If you don’t hat before you buy then you can actually run a real comparison
 

Gooseman23

Active member
Snake at it again lol
Snake ain’t at nothing. I’m clearly showing him how his point is wrong and he claims every point doesn’t matter. Pics don’t matter yet he keeps talking about LED buds foxtailinf when that clearly shows from pics. He is afraid to share what LED he used? Why? Probably because he didn’t even use it and he just pushing his agenda
 

Gooseman23

Active member
1000w hps peyote Zkittlez day 37... comparing pics is pointless lol. It's hard fore to get in before the lights turn on, day 43 now they just started to really swell up. View attachment 18806708
Well nobody is saying hps doesn’t grow good bud. The point is simply tht LED can too. But you have to do your research and actually compare light output the ppf. And the par map and the spectrum. If you do this things you wouldn’t be disappointed if you switched to LED.
 

cfl...KING

Listen my username is from 07 lol
Veteran
Around here it's all "bubba" an "platinum", coming out of NYC for cheap. It's led/CO2 grown. All smells the same, looks good but 30-45min tops an your not high anymore. The buds are nice an dense, my whole thing is the THC heads are tiny compared to hps.

I'd love to try led grown bud by a grower not a warehouse cash crop opp, but untill that happens my opinion won't be changed based on pics.

The thing is even the old school days NYC had some really good bud coming out of it. Only 2 changes, use to be Hispanics growing with hps an now it's Chinese growing with LEDs... An I'm more certain it has to do with the lights.
 

snakedope

Active member
Don't u understand that you are debating 16 year old kids who use memes as their argument lol this place just gets awkward by the minute 😅
 

moose eater

Well-known member
This skirmish reminds me of the haze threads that evolve into range wars.

I linked to a light above/previously where a long-time grower is using Spydrx LEDs and has no issue with product or light penetration.

I've only barely experimented with LEDs, and it was minimal, not involving any serious lighting, in a mother cupboard with excess mothers and not wanting to kill them, as well as being a bit greedy at the time..

I stuck to hps, and later on, cmh due to one primary variable; the plants feed differently under hps/cmh versus LED, and I'm stuck in my habits/ways; learning a new feed schedule was another speed-bump I didn't need at that time..
 
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cfl...KING

Listen my username is from 07 lol
Veteran
This skirmish reminds me of the haze threads that evolve into range wars.

I linked to a light above/previously where a long-time grower is using Spydrx LEDs and has no issue with prooduct or light penetration.

I've only barely experiemnted with LEDs, and it was minimal, not involving any serious lighting, in a mother cupboard with excess mothers and not wanting to kill them, as well as being a bit greedy at the time..

I stuck to hps, and later on, cmh due to one primary variable; the plants feed differently under hps/cmh versus LED, and I'm stuck in my habits/ways; learning a new feed schedule was another speed-bump I didn't need at that time..
Did they have the buds tested? I could post pics of led buds that look amazing but are trash when smoked. It's my personal experience. I need something other than pictures or smoke tests by people who I don't know their tolerance levels...
 

moose eater

Well-known member
Did they have the buds tested? I could post pics of led buds that look amazing but are trash when smoked. It's my personal experience. I need something other than pictures or smoke tests by people who I don't know their tolerance levels...
He seems more than happy with his crops. And he's been around longer than most people I know in the grower community.. Far from a spring chicken. Whether or not he's had testing done by a lab, I can't say, though I doubt it.
 

madalasatori

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Around here it's all "bubba" an "platinum", coming out of NYC for cheap. It's led/CO2 grown. All smells the same, looks good but 30-45min tops an your not high anymore. The buds are nice an dense, my whole thing is the THC heads are tiny compared to hps.

I'd love to try led grown bud by a grower not a warehouse cash crop opp, but untill that happens my opinion won't be changed based on pics.

The thing is even the old school days NYC had some really good bud coming out of it. Only 2 changes, use to be Hispanics growing with hps an now it's Chinese growing with LEDs... An I'm more certain it has to do with the lights.
Dunno but that sounds maybe more like the strain than the lighting? Imo cookies stuff gives a very short lived high but looks pretty. I love the high btw
 

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