CMH vs LED vs HPS

[zachrockbadenof]

...... when I replace, and I replace 2 a year maybe, and those are philips bulbs not chinese ones, if I want to go the china route with bulbs and ballasts then growing will prob be cheaper for me then buying pistachios at the market

from a philips website.....They’re manufactured all over the world, originally in the Netherlands, but most of their product today is manufactured in China, in SE Asia, and in India.

so r u sure they are not chinese crapola???- or if the are manufactured in... pick the country... r u sure the inner's are not chinese crapola???

i too use philip bulbs in my cmh fixtures, but i am clueless where they are made n where the parts come from...

 

[Cactus Squatter]

This thread has gotten dumber and more useless than the “I remember real Haze and grow real Haze and all you grow is Fake Haze and can’t remember real haze because you never smoked my real haze because my precious can beat up your precious” threads.

About the only thing this thread is now good for is identifying a few more people that you should never take grow advice from.

 

[snakedope]

Yep our intent was to seperte the LEDs from the MENs hahaha

 

[snakedope]

from a philips website.....They’re manufactured all over the world, originally in the Netherlands, but most of their product today is manufactured in China, in SE Asia, and in India.

so r u sure they are not chinese crapola???- or if the are manufactured in... pick the country... r u sure the inner's are not chinese crapola???

i too use philip bulbs in my cmh fixtures, but i am clueless where they are made n where the parts come from...

QC is what matters at the end,bit doesn't matter where it's been manufacturerd... The end product must meet certain criteria, well at least that's what they are telling us lol
But for over 20 years growing I never saw a big difference between china bulbs and philips, under measuring sure there will be a difference but philips don't claim their bulbs are superman bulbs nor do china claim their bulbs are total shit
They are very close.

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Yep our intent was to seperte the LEDs from the MENs hahaha

You’ve definitely separated something from something else, but it’s clearly not what you think it is.

 

[Hammerhead]

Where a bulb is made is redundant.. Every company has specs. Phillips is one of the largest bulb manufacturers there is.. All companies look for a vendor that can build their bulbs to spec the cheapest. Phillips makes good CMH bulbs.

 

[RobFromTX]

Its a pity Xets no longer here. He would know just what to say to settle this debate

 

[snakedope]

You’ve definitely separated something from something else, but it’s clearly not what you think it is.

I think it is, a lot of people come to this thread and see all led advocates shit their pants when faced with real questions, simple questions that always are answered in the same silly excuses.
So if you want to excuse something you can excuse yourself (not personal to you cactus squatter)

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Fat joint of panama x malawi got me high for 3 hours. Smoke is full flavored and delicious, resin is sticky and it still tastes good at the end of the joint. Should I blame my LEDs for failing me?

 

[RobFromTX]

You could grow Ace gear with a porch light and still end up with something nice. top notch genetics

 

[zachrockbadenof]

You could grow Ace gear with a porch light and still end up with something nice. top notch genetics

i have grown a few of ace's offering... an early golden tiger, a fem GT, some panama, some zamaldelica, and overall not overly impressive... we ran the 1st GT for 150days, picking buds at 100/120 and finally 150 days... didn't feel that the 150days was any better then the picking at 100days- i believe the fem GT we picked at 110days- the panama we ran indoors and outdoors..

all the weed was 'ok' , but not the ass-kickin weed lots of other guys rave about... we also cobbed some of the 2 GT's... we noticed no diff in dried/cured and cobbed...

still searching for that elusive 'elite'

 

[RobFromTX]

i have grown a few of ace's offering... an early golden tiger, a fem GT, some panama, some zamaldelica, and overall not overly impressive... we ran the 1st GT for 150days, picking buds at 100/120 and finally 150 days... didn't feel that the 150days was any better then the picking at 100days- i believe the fem GT we picked at 110days- the panama we ran indoors and outdoors..

all the weed was 'ok' , but not the ass-kickin weed lots of other guys rave about... we also cobbed some of the 2 GT's... we noticed no diff in dried/cured and cobbed...

still searching for that elusive 'elite'

Landraces, you either love or loath them. ive got friends that say its weak or looks like dirt weed. But I grow them because i miss the weed from way back when. potency and looks are secondary factors to me when it comes to catching a nice buzz but i dont grow commercially like many others. Looks are everything if youre selling to dispensaries im sure

 

[Crooked8]

I think it is, a lot of people come to this thread and see all led advocates shit their pants when faced with real questions, simple questions that always are answered in the same silly excuses.
So if you want to excuse something you can excuse yourself (not personal to you cactus squatter)

Funny you say this considering the detail ive personally gone into. It seems the opposite to me. The hid folks who hate on led never gave it a fair shot and just hate because of their own incompetence.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Finding one with the

Funny you say this considering the detail ive personally gone into. It seems the opposite to me. The hid folks who hate on led never gave it a fair shot and just hate because of their own incompetence.

Agreed. They clearly had made up their mind before the thread ever started.

When I worked at the grow store it was very common to have a customer want a different answer to why they were failing than we gave them. Looks like your buds were to close to the light, are you sure there isn't a bottle for that? You need to treat for spider mites every 3rd day and clean everything, I prefer every week and I did clean that one time...... I could go on for days.

 

[snakedope]

We heard all the excuses already, nothing new, we didn't gave them a fair chance, we bought the wrong ones, bla bla bla
Only reason you need to take extra care of all other parameters when u use LEDs is cuz the light is shit so you think if you'll be perfect on vpd and co2 and sog your whole tent or won't like it matters something for the final effect lol, you think it will change something, it doesn't.
all those beautiful buds and they are beautiful
are just for show, plastic flowers.
Now I'm just talking in general, deep in my mind I want to believe crooked8 buds are dank smoke, they sure look like it, but from my own experience and like YellowCanary has said, show me your lights and I will tell you if ur bud is worth something or not

 

[madalasatori]

i have grown a few of ace's offering... an early golden tiger, a fem GT, some panama, some zamaldelica, and overall not overly impressive... we ran the 1st GT for 150days, picking buds at 100/120 and finally 150 days... didn't feel that the 150days was any better then the picking at 100days- i believe the fem GT we picked at 110days- the panama we ran indoors and outdoors..

all the weed was 'ok' , but not the ass-kickin weed lots of other guys rave about... we also cobbed some of the 2 GT's... we noticed no diff in dried/cured and cobbed...

still searching for that elusive 'elite'

Agree with this - I ran a fair bit of Congo based on reviews of an electrifying clear high but found it was really lacking in potency. For me it was perfect as I enjoyed the clear headed uplifting effect but I would not reccomend it commercially

 

[Dopesnake]

Just to prove my friend here is right I threw a female under some high quality hlg qb’s and I’ll upload photos and do so test smoke for you guys. everybody can think what they want and have some great time smoking their led buds it’s just an opinion do what the hell you want It’s really doesn’t matter to me or him

 

[Cerathule]

"Sun-like" high CRI LED spectras (comes at the price of low photonflux efficiency)

 

[snakedope]

This came from rollitup, oh the shame haha

And this also, very interesting stuff, caution led owners

Min 50+ is light talk

 

[greyfader]

these were grown under 6500k. the strain is purple mesa cbd. it tested at 18% cbd. we got 8+ 0z's per plant. very fragrant.

720 watts over each 5x5. we ordered these 18watt 240v led bulbs from china without the diffuser globes.

with the sockets already on wires so all we had to due was hang them.

we did a 10k sq ft facility for a little over 20,000 dollars.

black dog quoted us 185,000 to do the same room.

so, while we did pretty good with this spd, i think we could have done better with added 660nm.

the room was run at 84-86f lights on and about 75-78f lights off. with co2 at about 900-1000ppm.

i think heat is necessary to produce weight with leds. heat is the second most powerful regulator of plant metabolism after light.

but we did not have to supplement heat in this facility because the lights themselves generated enough to still need some cooling. even in winter.

it is a very tightly sealed, well insulated building.

the main flower room was 6000 sq ft and we used a maximum of 100,000 btu in the hottest part of summer in tennessee.

my 3500 sq ft facility in oregon used 225,000 btu to offset the heat generated by 49 sunlight supply DE's.

if you blow up the second pic you can get a close-up of the flowers. they were very dense and heavy.

because we were legal producers we were required by law to lab test everything. the state specified the lab.

so that 18% is real. also, very terpy and just great medicine.