Cloning without lights, success.

[Japanfreakier]

Blowstrees can you point me to anywhere on this planet where cannabis is cut, put in a fridge for a few weeks taken out and rooted?

We're not talking about what happens in nature, this isn't animal planet. We're talking about an option, now nobody knows what ill effects if any are had by doing it this way. You can point out to info about photoperiods and light stress on flowering plants but honestly I don't think that has anything to do with this, I'd liken it more to the cuts in the fridge.

I mean it's so easy to look at what people are doing and claim to know something about it, but you don't, you haven't done it. That doesn't mean that you can't say "I think it will stress them so much they won't be worth it," but don't pass off your hunches as facts, too many people doing that on pot boards. Dare to be honest.

Like the defoliation tech out there now. First time I saw that was about 1 year and half ago. Everybody was telling the guy it wouldn't work, he'd have shitty yield and spread out all the proof only to have the guy get an amazing yield that put them to shame. Dare to be honest, it's not a race to see who can point out what they think is wrong the quickest.

 

[Japanfreakier]

On this topic....for a clone to root, it has to sustain itself with no nutrients coming in, right??
So, if certain plant's functions...say, photosynthesis, were to be suspended for a bit...would...or at least a possible could...this result in the clone being just a little bit heartier??

It's interesting that you say that, and that's why I brought up the cuts in the fridge, like suspended animation.

 

[thenomad]

I know people who swear by rooting their clones in the dark.

I was never able to make it work personally, though I only made a couple half assed attempts.

 

[ShroomDr]

I just put two cuttings into pretreated coco cups and into a spare bedroom's closet's closet. No light ever gets there. I'll check on them in 7 to 10 days, depending on my patience.

This is a simple experiment just about anyone could try and replicate.

 

[Fat J]

Hehe... depo clones and depo at harvest = more bag appeal for the emo kids: "Man, this weed is so fucking dark, it was born in pure darkness, and was killed in pure darkness... 60 bucks an eigth."

 

[Blowstrees]

Am I not speaking fucking english? Instead of bashing me for not agreeing with you, why not just answer the question? WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO ACHIEVE BY THIS!?

You continue to make assumptions about me a person and what I am about when you know nothing about me. Your condesending attitude of "dare to be truthful" serves no purpose but to offend and not further enhance the disscusion.

I didn't say this had no validity....what I did say was what are you hoping to accomplish? The only thing I can see proven here is what we already know...that Cannabis is adaptable to many circumstances and attempts to do what is nessesary to survive...and that some can't get by their ego's because they feel they need the biggest dick on the forums.

It's great we know clones can root in the dark...and of course I agree that the more research and ACTUAL FACT that is put out...the better. But what my arguement is that just because the plant can and does root...does not mean this should become standard practice in anybody's garden...unless by some miracle it is PROVEN to be benefical to the plant. IMO most things in the world, are meant to function the way they do for a certain reason. Creating an unnatural photoperiod...on purpose..to root clones...seems like it would do nothing but entertain a stoner.

Now write back.....with something good this time.

 

[Blowstrees]

KMK- Interesting thought dude. Care to expand on why it's a possiblilty??

 

[kmk420kali]

KMK- Interesting thought dude. Care to expand on why it's a possiblilty??

Sure, I'll take a shot at it-- Please keep in mind that I am not a scientist, so these are somewhat guesses for me...albeit with a li'l bit of education behind them--
I was just thinking that with clones, we do things for them, like chopping the leaf matter down a bit, to conserve the energy the plant has to use, until it gets roots to uptake the nutes it needs to grow--
So, it kind of seems logical that anything you can do, to help the plant conserve the nutes it has...that would be a good thing for the plant--
Where my mind went with this particular experiment, is that if this does turn out to be the case, that it might be possible to take just a li'l bit larger cuttings...to start out with just a li'l bit bigger plants--

 

[HillBillMt]

Sure, I'll take a shot at it-- Please keep in mind that I am not a scientist, so these are somewhat guesses for me...albeit with a li'l bit of education behind them--
I was just thinking that with clones, we do things for them, like chopping the leaf matter down a bit, to conserve the energy the plant has to use, until it gets roots to uptake the nutes it needs to grow--
So, it kind of seems logical that anything you can do, to help the plant conserve the nutes it has...that would be a good thing for the plant--
Where my mind went with this particular experiment, is that if this does turn out to be the case, that it might be possible to take just a li'l bit larger cuttings...to start out with just a li'l bit bigger plants--

i think you maybe on ta somthin here, i will be directing my garden manager to this post and testing on this end will begin, HHB

 

[DHF]

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[toastfighter2]

I just don't understand why some one would give you guys troubles with this method. It is pushing the limits of what can be done(ie finding the minimum amount of light to make clones), and could be very valuable info for someone looking to go big. The limiting factor for a few people I know is the number of clones that they can fit under their fluorescent lights. Hell, just think of how advantages this is for the guys that make all of those cuts for the clubs. Yeah they have to keep the moms up and vegging, but they might not to have to pay for a bunch of t-5s running all the time(one or two isn't a whole lot, but a room full adds up quick)

 

[DHF]

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[mule420]

Day 11 They will be getting transplanted on Sunday...

JF how many days do you think we should veg before we flip? Peace and puffs people more to come...

 

[Japanfreakier]

Am I not speaking fucking english? Instead of bashing me for not agreeing with you, why not just answer the question? WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO ACHIEVE BY THIS!?

lol, do I owe you an explanation?

Now write back.....with something good this time.

Seriously guy, dare to be honest.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

If complete darkness is maintained, and plants root successfully, it demonstrates that light is not necessary for the rooting process to take place, i.e. it uses stuff not derivative from photosynthesis.

People have long been recommending minimal quantity of lights over clones. Now, it appears that rooting requires none.

Photosynthesis, by it's nature, makes demands of plant resources. If these resources are in common with the rooting process, then lighting during the initial rooting phase creates an unnecessary competition for resources.

I had a flat of big healthy cuts in the dark (there was some reflected light from open doors, etc). Some five-six inches tall in RRs. They looked great. They were perky and stretching for light. Left them in the dark for three/four days. Applied light before roots established, and now they look like crap. (This genetic does not clone easily.)

If mule's cuts are delayed and have to revert do to hormonal transition back to veg (I think this is unlikely), an intermittent pulse of light every six hours for ten minutes should be sufficient to keep them on track...

EDIT: Plants don't transpire in the dark. So they aren't loosing moisture. So we aren't as dependent on misting and domes for humidity control.

 

[Japanfreakier]

JF how many days do you think we should veg before we flip? Peace and puffs people more to come...

Vegging? That's up to you. I wouldn't do anything different than you normally would.

I'm starting a clone run with my aero-cloner tonight, when this run is over I'll be able to run another test in the aero. My environment is still shit, today is going to be the hottest day in Tokyo this summer, but they should still root fine, just takes a few more days and a few ice bottles in the rez.

 

[Metalhead419]

I did something like this on accident once. I left 4 clones in rockwool in a tray with a dome in a dark room and forgot about them for 3 or 4 days. They had minimal light before that for about 4 days, and when I found them I was amazed at the root growth. They turned out great, took the better 2 and made them mothers, they grew just like any other clone, no stress. To be honest, they were some of the best clones I have done, it made me think there might be something to leaving them in the dark for a few days.

 

[ShroomDr]

I dont know that its as simple as 'Do I photosynthesize' or 'Do I grow Roots' or 'Do I Die', but if we can eliminate photosynthesis, it only leaves two options, death or roots.


FWIW My best cloning method is to not touch them. Rapid rooters, coco, bubble cloners, rapid rooters in bubble cloners, it doesnt matter, I swear when i jostle them looking for roots, it seems they take much longer. Putting them in the dark, behind two closet doors is a good way for me not to touch them, lets hope its a good way to root.

 

[Mushroommonki]

I agree about the not touching them. My cloning rate use to be bad bad bad, then I made an aero cloner. now I cut them and stick them in the cloner. sometimes with rt 66 sometimes without, but always get roots on everything. I'd love to have one less light going, plug taken up, ect. Just sort of cut em and forget em. If they are healthy going in, it stands to reason they'd be healthy a few days later. Great for cubbord cloners. I just remembered something a grower friend of mine told me about cloning early on in my education: "Sometimes with a tough rooting strain I just put em (the cuttings) in the dark and leave them for a week, I don't know why, but that seems to work." I never ended up trying it. He was a michigan cornfield grower with decades of experience, but it just sounded too far out. But seems he was just talking about the same thing. Anyway, the other real use I think is the Cut and Run. if it takes you a couple of weeks to find a new garden spot, at least you can grow roots in the dark in the meantime. all it takes is a box, and you've just gotta love that.

 

[Blowstrees]

Anyway, the other real use I think is the Cut and Run. if it takes you a couple of weeks to find a new garden spot, at least you can grow roots in the dark in the meantime. all it takes is a box, and you've just gotta love that.

Shit I won't disagree with you there. That is one great implication.