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[Dave Coulier]

DP Seedling Update Day 14-17

DP Seedling Update Day 14-17

Its time for a two week update on the DP seedlings. Out of the 30, 28 germinated. A 93% germ rate. I think I can live with that. The two that did not germ after 3 weeks were originally from the no-mat group. Every plant started on the heating mat germinated. Excellent results for the mat. Those plants were also the faster one to break the surface and have gotten a few day headstart on the non-mat plants.

Ill start off the seedling update with a lone plant followed up with some group shots awhile later.

All the plants have been initially watered with only 15ml of feeding solution at 325-350 ppm for the first week. Over the following week I began to provide 20-25ml of feed, but done over the course of two drip-feeds using the syringe. The first round would be 10-15ml, followed by the remaining amount an hour later. Ive not lost any more plants since keeping the drip circle away from the stems. Keep that stem dry when they're young and vulnerable.

Over the first week I was watering every two days, but as we've reached week 2+ I find myself watering the plants almost every night. Those roots are depleting the rootzone quicker and quicker leaving me watering more often. Its paying off, so I dont mind one bit once you see the pics of these roots. Ill be transplanting most of these seedlings very soon into some 1/2gallon containers.

In case anyone is curious, the volume of liquid given each feeding represented 5-9.5% of the containers volume. These are 9oz(270ML) dixie cups, so were talking 15ml-25ml of solution at most for each feeding.

On the previous run of Durban P, almost every plant was fed 30ml-60ml of solution each feeding, which translates to 11%-22% by volume. As I moved beyond 11% I saw more problems with root growth. It regressed as the media became more and more saturated. Ive stayed below 10% this run, and the roots look remarkably better this run. Ill be sticking with the 5-10% as my rule of thumb from now on.

 

[Dave Coulier]

How fuzzy can you get?

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 14-17 15grams Osmocote Group

Day 14-17 15grams Osmocote Group

Next up we get to see a full group of plants. These are the 15grams osmocote per gallon of media. Most of the plants have their 4th set of leaves coming in. The slowest growing one is the previous plant I showed, which has only its 3rd set of leaves coming in. Then again it may have just came up late and is growing fine. It does have good leaf expansion so far even with the low RH. I expect it'll catch up very soon.

The one in the middle below is my favorite of this group.

 

[Dave Coulier]

7.5grams Osmocote/10% EWC Group

7.5grams Osmocote/10% EWC Group

1st row 15grams Osmocote/gallon of media.
2nd row is 7.5grams Osmocote/gallon of media + 10% EWC.

Next up we have the 7.5grams of Osmocote/gallon of media, and 10% EWC by volume. This group is for the most part on par with the 15gram Osmocote group, but there are a couple plants in the middle that have about one more set of leaves coming in than the average. Oddly enough they're runty looking. Poor leaf expansion on these 2 compared to the rest, but just as many sets of leaves if not more than most of the others.

Im trying to keep the temp at 70f+ in the room during all times to help the air hold more moisture. That should help improve the conditions, and maybe the micro ones will improve their leaf expansion. Ill be glad when this cold snap is gone.

Ill get to the last group tomorrow.

 

[MaryMaven]

Looking just marvelous, Dave! What a great way to start off the new year!


As usual, I have a couple of questions for you


1 - Just how moist do you start out the medium in your clone cups? I see you don't put drain holes in them, and I see how much you water at a time. But when you start out, is it really moist (not sopping wet) or just barely moist?


2 - What are your thoughts on taking clones in flower? Had any luck with it? I ask because the little PxM is really starting to take off. I'll try rooting her top when I take it in about a week, but I won't really have anywhere to go with any more clones at this time because those EBH plants are getting ridiculously (wonderfully) big and full. So, I thought it would be easier to wait and take clones later when the weather warms up so once they are well-rooted I can move them on outside. But she will be in flower by then. Any special tips/tricks up your sleeve for better success for sativa clones taken in flower?


Oh, and thanks again for the towel tip - it is working very well! Much better than the little humidifier I was running, even!!

 

[Dave Coulier]

Looking just marvelous, Dave! What a great way to start off the new year!


As usual, I have a couple of questions for you


1 - Just how moist do you start out the medium in your clone cups? I see you don't put drain holes in them, and I see how much you water at a time. But when you start out, is it really moist (not sopping wet) or just barely moist?


2 - What are your thoughts on taking clones in flower? Had any luck with it? I ask because the little PxM is really starting to take off. I'll try rooting her top when I take it in about a week, but I won't really have anywhere to go with any more clones at this time because those EBH plants are getting ridiculously (wonderfully) big and full. So, I thought it would be easier to wait and take clones later when the weather warms up so once they are well-rooted I can move them on outside. But she will be in flower by then. Any special tips/tricks up your sleeve for better success for sativa clones taken in flower?


Oh, and thanks again for the towel tip - it is working very well! Much better than the little humidifier I was running, even!!

Thanks Maven. Its a good start to the new year except for this damn cold. Its in the teens the last few nights where I live, and I hate it. So too does my wallet!

When I mix up my soil I want it on the barely moist side. Ill take a handful and squeeze it in my hand. If I see water droplets dripping from my hand, it is TOO WET. If its just one drop, eh Im probably fine with the moisture content.

On a couple of the cuttings I did have to reapply 15-20ml of solution during the rooting process, but its better to do that, than have started with a medium thats too wet.

As for taking cuttings in flower, Ive done it all the way up to 100 Days in with some of the Thai. The cuttings even rooted, but struggled to survive. The sooner into flowering you can take them the better, but its feasible to wait a month or two into flowering. I recommend some lower growth that isn't flowering much, and is still healthy.

You could always try to reveg the plant too, but its riskier and you eventually will lose plants that simply refuse to reveg. Clones are your best option if you can make it happen.

Im glad the towel trick is working for you. It works wonders in small areas.

 

[Dave Coulier]

7.5grams Osmocote Group

7.5grams Osmocote Group

This is our last group of seedlings. They got 7.5grams of Osmocote per gallon of media. Theres a runt down below in the pics, but it actually has more sets of leaves/nodes of growth than the larger plant next to it. About 4 or 5 plants like that in these seedlings that are half the size of the other plants but still keeping pace in terms of growth, or exceeding larger plants. Ill have to keep a closer eye on those ones.

Group shot of all the plants. 7.5grams Osmocote up front, 15grams Osmocote 2nd row, 7.5grams Osmocote/10%EWC back row.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Pics taken on the 3rd. It was 85f in there, and the plants were standing to attention. Thats the most turgid Ive seen them yet. They were enjoying that warmer temperature after dealing with temps in the 60s and low 70s, which was causing some droopiness in some of the plants. Ill be shooting for temps around 80f and see how they continue.

 

[MaryMaven]

Sounds good!

Sounds good!

Thanks Maven. Its a good start to the new year except for this damn cold. Its in the teens the last few nights where I live, and I hate it. So too does my wallet!

When I mix up my soil I want it on the barely moist side. Ill take a handful and squeeze it in my hand. If I see water droplets dripping from my hand, it is TOO WET. If its just one drop, eh Im probably fine with the moisture content.

On a couple of the cuttings I did have to reapply 15-20ml of solution during the rooting process, but its better to do that, than have started with a medium thats too wet.

As for taking cuttings in flower, Ive done it all the way up to 100 Days in with some of the Thai. The cuttings even rooted, but struggled to survive. The sooner into flowering you can take them the better, but its feasible to wait a month or two into flowering. I recommend some lower growth that isn't flowering much, and is still healthy.

You could always try to reveg the plant too, but its riskier and you eventually will lose plants that simply refuse to reveg. Clones are your best option if you can make it happen.

Im glad the towel trick is working for you. It works wonders in small areas.

Thanks, Dave! Sounds good - I'll probably take the rest of the clones a couple or three weeks after I flip to flower, that way by the time they root well it should be warm enough to plant them outside and see how they do.


Colder than all get-out here too. I've been struggling to keep my leaf temp under the lights around 70 or so these last few days. Root zone stays in the low to mid 60s. So far the EHB plants don't seem to mind it TOO much - heck, they were bred for colder/nastier outdoor climes, but I have noticed water consumption has dropped quite a bit the last couple of days. I keep the little sativa up a bit higher off the floor (the EBH are sitting on reflective insulation on a pallet) and snuggled in among the EBH so she is doing ok so far but I will be glad when it warms up a bit in the next few days like it is supposed to for us!



Your seedlings are looking great. I like the way your shorter ones have turned into little 'over-achievers' - I've never seen Napoleon Complex in plants before.


Peace
Maven

 

[Dave Coulier]

Thanks, Dave! Sounds good - I'll probably take the rest of the clones a couple or three weeks after I flip to flower, that way by the time they root well it should be warm enough to plant them outside and see how they do.


Colder than all get-out here too. I've been struggling to keep my leaf temp under the lights around 70 or so these last few days. Root zone stays in the low to mid 60s. So far the EHB plants don't seem to mind it TOO much - heck, they were bred for colder/nastier outdoor climes, but I have noticed water consumption has dropped quite a bit the last couple of days. I keep the little sativa up a bit higher off the floor (the EBH are sitting on reflective insulation on a pallet) and snuggled in among the EBH so she is doing ok so far but I will be glad when it warms up a bit in the next few days like it is supposed to for us!



Your seedlings are looking great. I like the way your shorter ones have turned into little 'over-achievers' - I've never seen Napoleon Complex in plants before.


Peace
Maven

Best o' luck with the cloning. You should be fine taking them 2-3 weeks into flowering if they're long flowering. Faster flowering strains may not work as well, but will likely still root.

I checked on my cuttings/clones today, and so far 12/13 have rooted, so I think you'll have no problem using the same method.

Smart move taking the plants off the cold ground. Small things like that do make a difference.

Im hoping those lil seedlings will become big ones before too long, but I do enjoy a good Bonzai plant as well.

 

[Dave Coulier]

DP x Shit(Early Durban) Day 7 Flowering Update

DP x Shit(Early Durban) Day 7 Flowering Update

Were one week into flowering with the Early Durbans, and flowering is progressing nicely. My hunches about EC/PPM being high was confirmed. I inserted the lysimeters a week ago, and took a reading the next day. One plant was 1700, the other was over 2000ppm. Then my EC meter broke . Ive ordered a Bluelab PPM/EC Pen to replace my old worn out Bluelab Combo Meter.

I didn't get to measure the 3rd plant, but I imagine its elevated too. Knowing what ppm the media solution was at lead me to just provide water only over the last week. I think there may have been 1 half feed thrown in there too. Flowering response is coming along nicely, and the leaves are still very soft and supple. Without being able to measure I can tell the media solutions fertility levels are dropping. Once that pen arrives, Ill take another measurement and make adjustments.

For flowering Id like to have it around 1300-1400PPM and make further tweaks based on what the plants visible showing.

Enough text, Lets get some pictures up of the 3 girls.

 

[Dave Coulier]

You can spot some previous issues I had on lower growth. Around the 5-6 week mark I ran out of Dynagrow and it took almost 2 weeks to get more in, which lead to deficiency symptoms popping up. Once the nutrients arrived, I transplanted all and began to fertigate at every watering, and they sprung back very nicely. Kinda got a lil over zealous, and should have been fertigating at a lower ppm. Maybe 250-300ppm max with the increased osmocote levels.

 

[MaryMaven]

Looking good, Dave! Pretty girls! How old were they when you flipped them? (Did I miss that somewhere?

 

[MaryMaven]

Oh, and here's my little (Ace) Panama Goddess x New Malawi Killer. She got flipped to flower today as the Early Bubba Hash plants she's rooming with couldn't wait any longer

 

[Dave Coulier]

Looking good, Dave! Pretty girls! How old were they when you flipped them? (Did I miss that somewhere?

Oh I think they were 1.5 months old from seed. Maybe another week thrown in on that number.

Oh, and here's my little (Ace) Panama Goddess x New Malawi Killer. She got flipped to flower today as the Early Bubba Hash plants she's rooming with couldn't wait any longer


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That plant has a ton of vigor. Very healthy looking and fast growing. I may have to start fimming some of my ladies like you did. She has a great profile to her.

Im sure you're gonna get some outstanding smoke from her if you can keep her healthy like that through most of flowering. Should be easy for you at this rate

 

[Dave Coulier]

Golden Diesel Clone Update Day 21

Golden Diesel Clone Update Day 21

Day 21:

Final results on clones was 11 of 12 rooting, for 91% strike rate. Most rooted within two weeks, while a couple took a few days past that. The one that did not root had a stem that was decaying when I pulled it out. The cutting was still alive, but with how the stem looked it was best to cull it. Just another reason to take two cuttings from each plant to ensure rooting of at least one cutting.

Pics:

 

[MaryMaven]

Those clones look really good and healthy, Dave!! Can't wait to see them take off!

Oh I think they were 1.5 months old from seed. Maybe another week thrown in on that number.

That plant has a ton of vigor. Very healthy looking and fast growing. I may have to start fimming some of my ladies like you did. She has a great profile to her.

Im sure you're gonna get some outstanding smoke from her if you can keep her healthy like that through most of flowering. Should be easy for you at this rate

Thanks, she's a very healthy, robust girl. I've really enjoyed watching her come along and I'm pretty proud of her. I just hope I can keep her looking like this to the end.


I know it is a fine line between 'fimming' and 'topping' - and it is one that is totally lost on me. I just top as far as I know. heh. I read Uncle Ben's mammoth 'topping technique' thread at RIU a while back and I've been topping for 4-6 main colas every since.


You know, I went back and forth and back and forth, and finally decided to leave them in the 3 gallon fabric pots. I've seen so many say that 3 gal. is more than enough to get to the end. Well, this evening, just as I was putting them to bed, damned if I didn't notice roots trying to come through the fabric already. They've been in the fabric pots just 2 weeks. grrrr. I flipped to flower today. So, if I second guess myself again and up-pot one more time, it is really going to set me back and I really just cannot afford to let them veg any longer - they've gotten so big!! I know it is hard to tell size from these pictures, but they are up to my waist now!

And they are filling their space:

(little PxM in the middle there)


Lie to me, please, and tell me that as long as I feed them well and love them a lot, they will be fine in the 3 gallon pots....please...

 

[MaryMaven]

Oh, and BTW, I totally blame you.....

Oh, and BTW, I totally blame you.....




I NEVER had this kind of problem with plants/roots outgrowing their pots until YOU and this thread. hahahahaha!! SO, it is totally your fault that I have Godzilla plant/root problems.


Not that I'm complaining, mind you.


I'm excited to start my bedding plants for the garden this year with what I've learned from you about starting plants. My plants are always nice, but this year, we are taking it to the next level - my tomatoes are going to be AWESOME...as is everything else.


Thanks, Dave!!


Peace
Maven

 

[Dave Coulier]

3 Gallons is perfectly fine. I use 2.5-3 gallon sizes all the time for flowering. As long as you stay on top of feeding/watering you'll have no problem, which is usually every 2-3 days for my garden.

I remember reading that Uncle Ben thread years ago. I hope he's still around over there. Haven't logged in there for years now though. I fimmed/topped all my Durban seedlings tonight after getting another 6 transplanted into 1/2 gallon containers. Will finish transplanting the remaining 8 tomorrow night. Within a month I want to have them in 2.5 gallon containers ready for flowering. Maybe they'll look as nice as your plants going into flowering.

Looking forward to seeing how your garden does this coming year. May it outdo your previous gardens by leaps and miles. Ive always considered an outdoor garden like you're doing, but tending to my plants indoors is enough without having a bunch of veggie plants to tend to as well.

 

[MaryMaven]

3 Gallons is perfectly fine. I use 2.5-3 gallon sizes all the time for flowering. As long as you stay on top of feeding/watering you'll have no problem, which is usually every 2-3 days for my garden.

I remember reading that Uncle Ben thread years ago. I hope he's still around over there. Haven't logged in there for years now though. I fimmed/topped all my Durban seedlings tonight after getting another 6 transplanted into 1/2 gallon containers. Will finish transplanting the remaining 8 tomorrow night. Within a month I want to have them in 2.5 gallon containers ready for flowering. Maybe they'll look as nice as your plants going into flowering.

Looking forward to seeing how your garden does this coming year. May it outdo your previous gardens by leaps and miles. Ive always considered an outdoor garden like you're doing, but tending to my plants indoors is enough without having a bunch of veggie plants to tend to as well.

Thanks again, Dave.


I don't think UB is around over there anymore. But, like you, I don't really go over there anymore, especially since I found this place. Not near as "toxic" seeming over here, you know?


Most everyone I really enjoyed reading was also mostly gone by the time I discovered the site a couple of years ago, including you. I'd be reading along in an old thread and think 'I'll ask X if Y would work when I get to the end,' only to get to the end and find out they were no longer there posting.


I'm generally out of the loop when it comes to in-fighting/"politics" on message boards. I was happy to end up running across you over here of all places. (Oh, god, really, I'm not a stalker! You were just a participant in a couple of my fav. threads there so I remembered the name)


Everyone over here, for the most part, seems a bit more 'mature/diplomatic' and I like the vibe here much better.


Our vegetable garden is a little over a quarter acre in size. We also have a small orchard, berry patch, and a grape arbor. It's a lot of work, but I love it. We can/freeze/put up everything we are able to harvest. We have 3 married daughters and we supply all of their families with as much vegetables/fruit (fresh and put up), eggs, meat (venison, fish, turkey, beef, etc.) as we can. Gardening is my 'therapy' And I'd rather hoe a row for 6 hours in the sun than wash a sink full of dishes


Lord, I do babble on, don't I?


Peace
Maven