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Awww....that's not ugly!! Reminds me of a little bitty calla lily coming on! Wish you hadn't culled it, I would have loved to have seen what it looked like a couple of weeks or so from now. And I just love those little trifoliates you keep sprouting - just beautiful. Those are great pictures! And just look at her already showing off!
Thanks for the reminder about the wet towel. I've been doing the standard coffee can of water in front of the little heater I use in the general grow room. It's been working fine but we are heading into a pretty good cold snap and that means the heater is going to be running a lot more; I know the can of water won't be able to keep up. I'll take a towel down with me today and be ready!I have a humidifier running in the actual grow space but it's going to have to come out next time I up-pot as there just won't be room for it in there any more. The towel will work perfectly!
Peace
Maven!
I think I had another odd mutant like the one pictured on the last batch of seeds, and I did let it go for close to two weeks, but it stayed exactly the same the whole time. Would have been cool to see a set of leaves sprout from the funnel, but no dice.
I lost one of my trifoliates the other day. I gave the plants their 15ml of water every other day, and I came back the next day and saw one had fallen over. I let it go for a couple of days to see if it would recover but no luck. I dumped the container out and the roots were well developed and white n fuzzy, but the stem was very weak near the base of the plant. Right where it'd meet the surface of the soil. I think I watered too closely to the stems, and that may have lead to the damping off. Since then Ive been going around the stems leaving a buffer zone. The moisture still creeps towards the center, but at least Im not soaking down the stems in water. No further losses since then, but i still worry.
Hope the towel trick works well for you. It works pretty good in enclosed areas that aren't too large, but any bump in RH is always helpful during these cold dreary months.
Sure do it the cheap and easy way. After spending all that money on my cloner, I'm not switching methods now.
. K.I.S.S. all the way baby! Im sure the method will work well for you. Its hard to mess up, even for me!
Never saw fused cotyledons like that before- that's a pretty cool mutant
Thanks Hash. Definitely some odd plants to spring up lately. Fused cotyledons, my first variegated plant(Golden Diesel), lots of trifoliates too. Next up will be a quadfoliate??? Is that even a word..I dont know, but it'd make for a freaking awesome looking plant!
Ive got an update on the Golden Diesel clones I took 4 days ago, and you wont believe it but one has already rooted! I could barely believe it myself. Two roots showing down near the bottom of the container. I dont think Ive ever had a plant root that quickly before. New record! Hoping the rest will root within the next 3-5 days at this rate.
The plant is going to remain under the humidity dome for another two days to ensure we have enough roots. If I take the dome off too soon I run the risk of the plant becoming droopy(not enough roots to sustain it).
Now for the pics.
Looks just as good as when it went under the dome!
More Roots
More Roots
Ive got some root pics of the DP seedlings(taken at Day 9 or 10). Pretty happy with the root growth so far on these seedlings. Better than the last run. The last run I was giving upwards of 30mL of water during the first 10 days, this run Ive cut it in half down to 15mL, with the first 5 days being only 10mL. Watering every two days right now.
The containers feel so light to the lift that I want to water even more, but I can't argue with that root growth. They're very happy with the moisture levels right now, so Im sticking to whats working.
Give em another week and they should be rooted well enough to transplant into some 1/2 gallon containers.
No run-off, no holes in the bottom of cups even If I wanted to go for run-off. I actually think not having any holes in the bottom of the containers is helping to keep the moisture in the rootball longer, and providing a positive effect.
Ive got some pics of the seedlings at this stage too Ill be sharing soon. Stay tuned!
More Roots
Ive got some root pics of the DP seedlings(taken at Day 9 or 10). Pretty happy with the root growth so far on these seedlings. Better than the last run. The last run I was giving upwards of 30mL of water during the first 10 days, this run Ive cut it in half down to 15mL, with the first 5 days being only 10mL. Watering every two days right now.
The containers feel so light to the lift that I want to water even more, but I can't argue with that root growth. They're very happy with the moisture levels right now, so Im sticking to whats working.
Give em another week and they should be rooted well enough to transplant into some 1/2 gallon containers.
No run-off, no holes in the bottom of cups even If I wanted to go for run-off.
I actually think not having any holes in the bottom of the containers is helping to keep the moisture in the rootball longer, and providing a positive effect.Ive got some pics of the seedlings at this stage too Ill be sharing soon. Stay tuned!
It must have already had some root initials on the stalk of the plant where you cut the clones, undifferentiated cells that decided to be root cells because of rh.
WOW!! That is impressive! Can't argue with that kind of success!
Now I really can't wait to get to try this with the PxM!
I think you'll do quite well with your PxM cuttings when the time comes. If you have the space and enough cuttings do multiple to improve your chances. Sometimes one clone will outdo the other by a significant margin, and you can then ditch the one who is under performing.
I dont recall seeing any on there. I do get those lil bumps quite often at the base of the plants, but rarely on the stems.
2 Days after the last update on roots, I had another plant showing a couple of roots near the bottom of container. I gave it one more day and the humidity dome has been removed. Overnight it went from 2 visible roots to 8. Ive identified 4 or 5 more today that are showing roots, and will be ready to be un-domed in a couple of days.
Ill throw up an update at Day 10 with progress. For now I have some Durban P x Mr. Nice Shit that I want to share in a moment.
Durban Poison x Shit(Skunk)
Durban Poison x Shit(Skunk)
A lil over 2 months ago I started a small batch of DPxShit seeds. I believe I started 10-15 seeds and ended up with 3 nice healthy females. I didn't keep any males as Im just curious about the ladies for now. If I like what I see, Ill be crossing a Durban Male to my Shit females to produce several pairings I can later dig into.
In veg they are already very pungent, stinky, and sweet smelling. They outstink every other plant in the garden. Transplanting these ladies was actually fun because they released so much stank as I handled them. One was very pungent and skunky with faint trace of sweetness, while the other two are much more to the sweet/berry/tropical-fruit side. Both are nice, but I like the second profile. Its very intoxicating!
A few pics now. Ill get some pics up as they enter the preflowering stage in 2-3 weeks. Im hoping these ladies will be ready in under 80 days.
Gonna reduce this ones feed for the next couple of weeks before those leaves get any darker. They feel soft and supple to the touch right now, but If I let ppm levels get too high they'll take on a stiffer, leathery feel.
Ill actually be reducing feed levels for all 3 over next two weeks as I think about it. I want to encourage a nice swift transition into flowering with reduced levels of N, then I can gradually raise it back up to nominal levels after bud formation has set in. Just enough to encourage flowering, but not so much to cause an early N deficiency.
Durban Poison x Shit(Skunk)
A lil over 2 months ago I started a small batch of DPxShit seeds. I believe I started 10-15 seeds and ended up with 3 nice healthy females. I didn't keep any males as Im just curious about the ladies for now. If I like what I see, Ill be crossing a Durban Male to my Shit females to produce several pairings I can later dig into.
In veg they are already very pungent, stinky, and sweet smelling. They outstink every other plant in the garden. Transplanting these ladies was actually fun because they released so much stank as I handled them. One was very pungent and skunky with faint trace of sweetness, while the other two are much more to the sweet/berry/tropical-fruit side. Both are nice, but I like the second profile. Its very intoxicating!
A few pics now. Ill get some pics up as they enter the preflowering stage in 2-3 weeks. Im hoping these ladies will be ready in under 80 days.
Gonna reduce this ones feed for the next couple of weeks before those leaves get any darker. They feel soft and supple to the touch right now, but If I let ppm levels get too high they'll take on a stiffer, leathery feel.
Ill actually be reducing feed levels for all 3 over next two weeks as I think about it. I want to encourage a nice swift transition into flowering with reduced levels of N, then I can gradually raise it back up to nominal levels after bud formation has set in. Just enough to encourage flowering, but not so much to cause an early N deficiency.
MaryMaven
Member
Oh, looking very healthy and strong, Dave!!
Hey, question for you.
Story: I tend to go heavy on the nitrogen when I mix my medium despite trying very hard not to do so. ANNNNND, after letting my mix cook for the last couple of months, I've gone and done it again. I did a basic soil test this morning and while everything else looks pretty good - a LITTLE light on potassium, but it will do - the nitrogen is off the charts.
I'm going to have to up-pot soon, so this morning I scooped out about a 5 gallon bucket of the mix (about 1/3 of it) and put back in about as much clean washed coco and about 9 qts of perlite (to replace the perlite that came out with the coco) I have a little pro-mix-hp (maybe a couple of gallons) left I can throw in there as well, but was hoping to save that for my clones off the PxM...
All 5 older plants currently in the mix are looking really great, with the exception that one of the EBH plants keep showing a little clawing - not much, just a kind of 'look at MEEEEE' attention seeking way. But no bad leaf curl/turn, no other signs of burn, no signs of anything else getting locked out at all. The plants are pretty dark green, but not alarmingly so for indica dominant plants. And, so far, even the PxM is looking fantastic even if she is the darkest green of any sativa plant I've ever seen.
Anyway, long to short, if you get something mixed up too hot that way (and there is a LOT of it), what have you found to be the best way to correct it without making matters even worse in some way? Just keep diluting the mix like I have? Or is there something else you would do?
I know those indicas can take it...might delay flower a bit but they are thriving otherwise - they are tough plants! But I sure don't want to screw up that pretty little sativa!
Oh, and what would you amend with to correct a bit of a potassium deficiency long term in the medium? There is so much stuff out there, my head gets to spinning trying to figure out which amendment is best...
Thanks for the input.
Peace
Maven!
Hey, question for you.
Story: I tend to go heavy on the nitrogen when I mix my medium despite trying very hard not to do so. ANNNNND, after letting my mix cook for the last couple of months, I've gone and done it again. I did a basic soil test this morning and while everything else looks pretty good - a LITTLE light on potassium, but it will do - the nitrogen is off the charts.
I'm going to have to up-pot soon, so this morning I scooped out about a 5 gallon bucket of the mix (about 1/3 of it) and put back in about as much clean washed coco and about 9 qts of perlite (to replace the perlite that came out with the coco) I have a little pro-mix-hp (maybe a couple of gallons) left I can throw in there as well, but was hoping to save that for my clones off the PxM...
All 5 older plants currently in the mix are looking really great, with the exception that one of the EBH plants keep showing a little clawing - not much, just a kind of 'look at MEEEEE' attention seeking way.
But no bad leaf curl/turn, no other signs of burn, no signs of anything else getting locked out at all. The plants are pretty dark green, but not alarmingly so for indica dominant plants. And, so far, even the PxM is looking fantastic even if she is the darkest green of any sativa plant I've ever seen. Anyway, long to short, if you get something mixed up too hot that way (and there is a LOT of it), what have you found to be the best way to correct it without making matters even worse in some way? Just keep diluting the mix like I have? Or is there something else you would do?
I know those indicas can take it...might delay flower a bit but they are thriving otherwise - they are tough plants! But I sure don't want to screw up that pretty little sativa!
Oh, and what would you amend with to correct a bit of a potassium deficiency long term in the medium? There is so much stuff out there, my head gets to spinning trying to figure out which amendment is best...
Thanks for the input.
Peace
Maven!
Oh, looking very healthy and strong, Dave!!
Hey, question for you.
Story: I tend to go heavy on the nitrogen when I mix my medium despite trying very hard not to do so. ANNNNND, after letting my mix cook for the last couple of months, I've gone and done it again. I did a basic soil test this morning and while everything else looks pretty good - a LITTLE light on potassium, but it will do - the nitrogen is off the charts.
I'm going to have to up-pot soon, so this morning I scooped out about a 5 gallon bucket of the mix (about 1/3 of it) and put back in about as much clean washed coco and about 9 qts of perlite (to replace the perlite that came out with the coco) I have a little pro-mix-hp (maybe a couple of gallons) left I can throw in there as well, but was hoping to save that for my clones off the PxM...
All 5 older plants currently in the mix are looking really great, with the exception that one of the EBH plants keep showing a little clawing - not much, just a kind of 'look at MEEEEE' attention seeking way.
Anyway, long to short, if you get something mixed up too hot that way (and there is a LOT of it), what have you found to be the best way to correct it without making matters even worse in some way? Just keep diluting the mix like I have? Or is there something else you would do?
I know those indicas can take it...might delay flower a bit but they are thriving otherwise - they are tough plants! But I sure don't want to screw up that pretty little sativa!
Oh, and what would you amend with to correct a bit of a potassium deficiency long term in the medium? There is so much stuff out there, my head gets to spinning trying to figure out which amendment is best...
Thanks for the input.
Peace
Maven!
You've already came up with the solution I was going to offer
. Cut the hot soil with some that hasn't had any amendments added. That's probably the simplest solution you can go with. If there are plants already in the media, I prefer to reduce feed strength significantly until I get the fertility levels back to where I want them. What nutrient do you currently use to provide Potassium? Does most of it get supplied by WSF or an amendment to the media? Got any pics of the problem? Organic only or open to other options??
MaryMaven
Member
Wow, You're fast!
Wow, You're fast!
Oh, good! Glad I'm on the right track! I'll just keep cutting it if this cut didn't work. The nitrogen test was neon deep purple heh. Don't know how or why I do that, but it is what it is.
I try to mix my medium up so that it provides all the macros on its own, so that about the time it is time to transplant, it is pretty depleted. That way I only have to worry about the little 'extra pampering' now and then, otherwise I just water with pH'd water and let them do their thing.
At the moment, I've got some Blue Planet Gold Shield Silica supplement that is 2.0% Silicone (Si) from potassium silicate. I've been using that all along because, silica!! So I guess that is why I didn't notice any real deficiency - I'm feeding it so there isn't any. I'd just rather have it in the medium long term. So, no pics because no real problem, I just want to amend going forward with my next batch of medium for long term ease.
When I have to go away now and then, the mister has to take care of my plants, and I want to KISS as possible for him. He isn't the most enthusiastic gardener. So the closer he can get to just watering them, the better
But tonight when I go down I'll get you a couple of pics anyway, just 'cause they're all so purrrrrty right now.
Thanks again!
Peace
Maven!
Wow, You're fast!
You've already came up with the solution I was going to offer
What nutrient do you currently use to provide Potassium? Does most of it get supplied by WSF or an amendment to the media? Got any pics of the problem? Organic only or open to other options??
Oh, good! Glad I'm on the right track! I'll just keep cutting it if this cut didn't work. The nitrogen test was neon deep purple heh. Don't know how or why I do that, but it is what it is.
I try to mix my medium up so that it provides all the macros on its own, so that about the time it is time to transplant, it is pretty depleted. That way I only have to worry about the little 'extra pampering' now and then, otherwise I just water with pH'd water and let them do their thing.
At the moment, I've got some Blue Planet Gold Shield Silica supplement that is 2.0% Silicone (Si) from potassium silicate. I've been using that all along because, silica!! So I guess that is why I didn't notice any real deficiency - I'm feeding it so there isn't any. I'd just rather have it in the medium long term. So, no pics because no real problem, I just want to amend going forward with my next batch of medium for long term ease.
When I have to go away now and then, the mister has to take care of my plants, and I want to KISS as possible for him. He isn't the most enthusiastic gardener. So the closer he can get to just watering them, the better
But tonight when I go down I'll get you a couple of pics anyway, just 'cause they're all so purrrrrty right now.
Thanks again!
Peace
Maven!
Oh, good! Glad I'm on the right track! I'll just keep cutting it if this cut didn't work. The nitrogen test was neon deep purple heh. Don't know how or why I do that, but it is what it is.
I try to mix my medium up so that it provides all the macros on its own, so that about the time it is time to transplant, it is pretty depleted. That way I only have to worry about the little 'extra pampering' now and then, otherwise I just water with pH'd water and let them do their thing.
At the moment, I've got some Blue Planet Gold Shield Silica supplement that is 2.0% Silicone (Si) from potassium silicate. I've been using that all along because, silica!! So I guess that is why I didn't notice any real deficiency - I'm feeding it so there isn't any. I'd just rather have it in the medium long term. So, no pics because no real problem, I just want to amend going forward with my next batch of medium for long term ease.
When I have to go away now and then, the mister has to take care of my plants, and I want to KISS as possible for him. He isn't the most enthusiastic gardener. So the closer he can get to just watering them, the better
But tonight when I go down I'll get you a couple of pics anyway, just 'cause they're all so purrrrrty right now.
Thanks again!
Peace
Maven!
Potassium Silicate is an excellent option both providing Si and K. If you want to make it super simple for the hubby, you can mix in some Osmocote into the media. 15-9-12 is my choice. A few different time release options with that formula. I use the 5-6 month release formula since Im growing long flowering Sativas, but I think there is a 3-4 month release one as well for faster varieties.
I always provide WSF to go with my Osmocote, but if you are going water only and Osmocote, Id start at 7.5grams/gallon of media and go from there.
MaryMaven
Member
OH, Sensei, I have listened!
OH, Sensei, I have listened!
Yes, your Osmocote use is well documented in my 'Dave Says' section of my grow book! It is already in there. SO, I admit, I was a bit perplexed that everything else was so high but the potassium was so much lower. I guess they've just needed it the most. I will continue to use the silica blast, and I'll have a syringe with it ready for him if I have to travel before this is over.
And, as promised, a couple of shots of the girls now....
First up, the Ace Seeds Early Bubba Hash girls with the little PxM photobombing front and center:
(I put the little red arrows on the right because the angle is slightly different in the table pics, so that makes it easier to see how big they've gotten compared to the bulletin board beside them)
And, PxM all on her own...
Happy New Year, Dave!! Thanks for all the knowledge!!
Peace
Maven!
OH, Sensei, I have listened!
Yes, your Osmocote use is well documented in my 'Dave Says' section of my grow book!
It is already in there. SO, I admit, I was a bit perplexed that everything else was so high but the potassium was so much lower. I guess they've just needed it the most. I will continue to use the silica blast, and I'll have a syringe with it ready for him if I have to travel before this is over. And, as promised, a couple of shots of the girls now....
First up, the Ace Seeds Early Bubba Hash girls with the little PxM photobombing front and center:
(I put the little red arrows on the right because the angle is slightly different in the table pics, so that makes it easier to see how big they've gotten compared to the bulletin board beside them)
And, PxM all on her own...
Happy New Year, Dave!! Thanks for all the knowledge!!
Peace
Maven!
Yes, your Osmocote use is well documented in my 'Dave Says' section of my grow book!
And, as promised, a couple of shots of the girls now....
First up, the Ace Seeds Early Bubba Hash girls with the little PxM photobombing front and center:
(I put the little red arrows on the right because the angle is slightly different in the table pics, so that makes it easier to see how big they've gotten compared to the bulletin board beside them)
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And, PxM all on her own...
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Happy New Year, Dave!! Thanks for all the knowledge!!
Peace
Maven!
I dont see anything wrong with those plants that would make me think you have low K. They all look healthy and well. I dont know how accurate those strips are, but if you really wanted to know for sure, send off a soil sample to be tested. That way you know for sure whats wrong if anything is. You would need to remove the osmocote pellets by hand before sending sample though, so I wouldn't bother if my plants looked that healthy.
If you want to go even further, get yourself a suction lysimeter(I like 12inch models). With a lysimeter, you can extract the soil solution and test it with a ppm/ec meter yourself. If your nutrient profile is well balanced, keeping the value within a certain range will be more than enough. I like to take a measurement when the plants healthy and green from top to bottom, and use that as my baseline where I try to keep the PPMs at.
I actually inserted 3 lysimeters into the DurbanxShits last night, and will take a measurement tonight if possible. Depending on what result Ill get, I may tweak the strength of my nutrients, or leave as is.
MaryMaven
Member
Yeah, they are awful pretty, aren't they?
I'm so damn proud of them. They are the first 'real genetics' I've allowed myself instead of 'mystery bag seed' or 'mysterious gift from friend of friend seed,' I guess that is why I've been anxious/paranoid about screwing them up. I've done a LOT of over-thinking this time around. I made myself practice on shit-seed for a LONG time before allowing myself to actually purchase seeds to grow. Plus, this is mainly a medical grow for my daughter (severe degenerative disc disease and PTSD) (the EBH plants, PxM is for mama
) so that just adds the pressure.I was just going by the rapid test results for the K. You could be right - could just be the test. Or it could be that I've been faithfully giving them the silica supplement and that has done enough. Either way, I'm not too concerned, but will keep an eye on them, and maybe get some Sul-Po-Mag to amend the soil with next time around just a little to be on the safe side.
I have your whole mini tutorial on the suction lysimeter in my 'Dave Says' section as well. One is on my wish list. I'll get there eventually. I think the Mister gets worried about me going too full-tilt into this whole growing 'hobby' of mine, so I have to pace myself on 'new toys'
One last question for you - I might have seen this and just can't remember....what size container do you usually finish in? I ask particularly for the PxM because she is going to go a lot longer than the EBH.
I have 3 and 5 gallon fabric pots to choose from. Talking to ODH in the EBH thread I about decided to go ahead to the 5gal pots because it looks like these are all going to be really big girls.
I don't want to hurt yield, but I don't want to waste medium, and I'll have to be able to control their size a little bit in that limited space I'm using this time. So, given the options, what would you go with? Also, if you think the 5gal, would you step up to them via the 3gal, or go straight to the 5s from the 1gal pots?
And I promise, last time I pester you/pick your brain until next year sometime.
Peace
Maven
Yeah, they are awful pretty, aren't they?
They are the first 'real genetics' I've allowed myself instead of 'mystery bag seed' or 'mysterious gift from friend of friend seed,' I guess that is why I've been anxious/paranoid about screwing them up. I've done a LOT of over-thinking this time around. I made myself practice on shit-seed for a LONG time before allowing myself to actually purchase seeds to grow. Plus, this is mainly a medical grow for my daughter (severe degenerative disc disease and PTSD) (the EBH plants, PxM is for mama
I was just going by the rapid test results for the K. You could be right - could just be the test. Or it could be that I've been faithfully giving them the silica supplement and that has done enough. Either way, I'm not too concerned, but will keep an eye on them, and maybe get some Sul-Po-Mag to amend the soil with next time around just a little to be on the safe side.
I have your whole mini tutorial on the suction lysimeter in my 'Dave Says' section as well. One is on my wish list. I'll get there eventually. I think the Mister gets worried about me going too full-tilt into this whole growing 'hobby' of mine, so I have to pace myself on 'new toys'
One last question for you - I might have seen this and just can't remember....what size container do you usually finish in? I ask particularly for the PxM because she is going to go a lot longer than the EBH.
I have 3 and 5 gallon fabric pots to choose from. Talking to ODH in the EBH thread I about decided to go ahead to the 5gal pots because it looks like these are all going to be really big girls.
I don't want to hurt yield, but I don't want to waste medium, and I'll have to be able to control their size a little bit in that limited space I'm using this time. So, given the options, what would you go with? Also, if you think the 5gal, would you step up to them via the 3gal, or go straight to the 5s from the 1gal pots?
And I promise, last time I pester you/pick your brain until next year sometime.
Peace
Maven
I usually finish in 3 gallon containers, but sometimes I use 5 gallon one too. Id recommend going from 1 to 3 gallon container, then finishing in the 5 after getting a good rootball developed in the 3gallon. Just give yourself a few weeks before flowering so you've the time for roots to develop. If you move into flowering too quickly after a transplant you're likely to waste alot of that media.
MaryMaven
Member
That sounds good to me!!
That sounds good to me!!
Will do! Thanks again, Dave. And hope you have a wonderful new year!!
Peace
Maven
That sounds good to me!!
Will do! Thanks again, Dave. And hope you have a wonderful new year!!
Peace
Maven
Will do! Thanks again, Dave. And hope you have a wonderful new year!!
Peace
Maven
My pleasure. Best of luck with the lil ones. Happy new year to you and everyone else as well. Try not to freeze out there!
