I can send up some metal and punch pollen if you want.
Seems like you've been doing some real top shelf pollen chucking lately
I never heard back so not sure there was interest.I was after the pure really, partially for preservation. Your cross would be very nice. Very nice indeed I would guess but it would take some effort on your part
Thought I could start the New Zealand distro to keep the strain from becoming extinct in these parts
Not overly impressed with the RSC version. Very fat leaf and tiring. Not really our thing.
If they come up on seedbay I can get from there, but it's been a while and nothing yet. Could just be the time of year.
Thats my current project. Punch C99 x Thh P1. But lets hope Tom doesnt see this or he will surely give me an earful about how THH simply must be kept pure and always open pollenated of course. I too am a purist. Just for me Tom, Just for me.
Very erudite and informative post. These forums seem blessed with some folks of particular talents indeed. This post took a little effort. Nice work. Salute'.UPDATED June 2022
Summary: Before you throw away $150 on Mr Soul's "recreation of cinderella" I recommend looking elsewhere as real Cinderella is still available and at a fraction of that price.
No. I do NOT believe his release to be real and likely 50% Cinderella at best and have chosen to exclude it from the list below due to many discrepancies with the offering and I cannot with a good conscience be a part of promoting something I do not find to be genuine.
Now lets check out some REAL Cinderella 99!!! I have 2 decades experience with this varietal. Further info about many many different offerings of cinderella are found within these pages.
PEAK SEEDS BC BEST CINDY
Credit where credit is due.
These recent pics/plants were from MJ over at Peak Seeds BC. I expect that he's keep the same parents going. He had some people try out different combinations of moms and males, which is the way to do it. Not quick and somewhat time consuming. I ran one of these a couple years ago, but only one seed. It was better than the Joey I had in with it. Recently I was searching through another one of the forums at another site and found some truly amazing pics that instantly re ignited my interest in looking through more of these. I ran one. Just one and found that "Metal" pheno. The "Punch" was found in the same pack and another 2 were grapefruit but fat and potent none the less. All very encrusted and very potent sativa smoke on plants that finish mid 50's. MJ seems to have improved stem strength a bit too. Hats off to them for this.
History on this like is that it started out with the original release from Brothers Grimm>Joey Weed 1st release> 1 pack from I believe Frost Bros> Given to MJ at Peak to preserve.
Hands down the BOTB, Best of the Best, Cindy I've ran out of most of the remakes and this one is definately a cut above the other offerings. They are different from Joey Weed's current release but I feel fairly strongly that may be due to selection. I ran out one pack from Peak and have a couple extra to hang onto.
Truth be told this stuff is so fire it makes me so jittery I keep saying I need to stop smokin it.
Its the real deal thats for certain. Any of the buds want to check some of mine its cool but otherwise give Peak a try and I bet we may find some ever more killer Cinderella in those beans. I think this about brings our project to somewhat of a close or maybe a transition into what everyone else might find in this offering. Hopefully this info will help others with anything from preservation to what things happen when lines go from P1>F2>F3 and onwards.
Peak Seeds BC Cinderella 99 mom - Metal
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The Legend of Cinderella is that of a 50 day heavy leaning sativa plant. These plants grew decent buds but lacked strength in the stem structure. The smoke itself was revered by many as a hypnotic and some plants may have the potency to cause some smokers to freak out and have extreme paranoia and anxiety. Smells and tastes were something very rare, fruit as well as baby poo and spice. The fruity characteristics were lost in the majority of lines I have tried over the past decade, longer actually.
This thread started as a search for my long Lost Holy Grail known as Cinderella 99. Over the past decade I have continued to keep searching. With most results leaving me with a great deal to be desired. Lots of times I wanted to just give up and look to new strains that it seems everyone is interested in and give up on what once was. Recent findings have given rise to a new feeling of hope. There is still a great deal to be done. The road we travel is long and rough but its not about the final destination its about what we experience and learn along the way that makes us who we are.
It feels surreal to finally have run into species with such similarities to the original lines. The euphoric smoke is most pleasant and should be held among the best varieties of time. The #1 is a very Euphoric experience, long lasting, floating, flying, mind numbing ride lacking the paranoia and raciness of my other keeper. #4 is a completely different creature, the fear comes out quite often, speedy, racy and definitely paranoia inducing floral mango esque sweet yet deadly experience not created for the novice smoker. I prefer the #1 as it is a multi dimensional experience without the hellish extremes of the other line. These take a few more days than the originals but not more than a week IMHO, in a dialed environment they could finish very close to 50 days. I normally take them to 58.
Important Notes:
I have run:
Original C99 2002
F2's
Gno3
Gno3 f2's
f3's
Dutchgrown f2
FMS C99
Mosca F1
Mosca Bx1
Joey Weed C99
Nuggetshiners Foundry C99
FDM C99 F3
The Real Seed Co C99
PEAK SEEDS BC CINDY 99 (BEST AND HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR COLLECTORS AND PRESERVATIONISTS)
An important note for those that are new to C99 and what this thread is really all about:
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Originally Posted by chiefingchong View Post
Joey Weed description states - "You will get 99.9% of what you get from the original."
is this tested to be untrue?
ANSWER:
I believe Mr. Soul used to make that comment that she was true breeding and that JW probably included that in his own description as well.
BUT, if that were true we would all have plenty of super DANK c99 everywhere we looked would we not?
It comes down to the dominant and recessive alleles within each singular female and male plant which are bred to one another in 1:1 matings.
Conclusion
With regard to the most sought after characteristics of the Original Cinderella P.97 C99 plants, Grapefruit appears to be much more dominant within the line, than the more sweet and Tropical expressions. It may have been a case of too small a population left behind to breed with or it may be a case of seed makers chucking without testing. Facts are that most HS seed stock was depleted within months of the disappearance of Brothers Grimm Seeds. Additionally, most growers choose to cull all male plants, even then I find C99 to produce a higher ratio of females. Odds are that not enough males were kept to find a proper mating. Then comes standard breeding principles regarding dominant and recessive combinations.
I believe all 3 of these issues have played a role in the current state which we find the line in today.
Nevil believed strongly in 1:1 matings which takes ample time and loads of testing of progeny, while maintaining all males and females in clone form. BG originally took another route with the use of cubing the line. It took them 2.5 years to complete. Some things I have read from Gregor Mendel since that time lead me to believe that this cubing process may have been the cause of a degradation within the line to where we are now. This time BG tried to one off a line with 1 male and no testing and was destined for failure, either due to loss of Princess or due to no testing of the 1:1 mating. Most "breeders" of today are not breeding. But that's dependent on the individual and I am not calling anyone out its just my opinion. I have been guilty of that too in fact.
Good Vibrations
LT
Much appreciated. To that I must say I think we all walk on the shoulders of giants. So much great information is available out there.
Impossible to say as its a male and its all over the place structurally. If it had been a female we might be able to get a bit of an idea but as it is a male we know that it was pollenated by a male plant and is not a herm bag seed. It could be only half c99 since the pollen came from another male plant. Have a good one! LT
You are probably right and I know people are sharply divided on whether hermie pollen can produce a male plant, but I'm thinking it's possible and base that on a grow I did a long time ago. It was Trainwreck S1 seeds by jojorizo. All became uniform beautiful pure females, as expected - but, one became the most vigorous pollen spewing male I've ever seen! I guess there's no way of telling what pollen produced that male. If anyone reading this grew out those seeds, did you get a male(s)?
I didn't take a cutting from it, but I did make a lot of seeds using a Mango Haze mother. I froze a large amount of pollen but it was not viable when I tried to use it about two years later. Here are two examples of the offspring (Mango Haze x C99)....
Me neither - the Trainwreck S1 male flowered out before I could get a cut rooted. Those Mango Haze crosses look good!
