Sure there is, it works, and it's way cheaper. I don't spray my plants with anything past week 1 flower anyway, but I end salicylic acid foliars before flower.
Week 1 flower my plants get a spray of vitazyme with jh biotech's glycine chelated calcium.
please do not use gib. its not worth it, trust me. if you want something a bit like gib, try bras. bras activates SAR also, so maybe a good addition to chito or jasmo. for me .01ppm is to much, .004 or so could be a good number to start. but i think you better avoid gib bras or all stretchers. and when you use jasmonate, you dont have to hurt the plant. thats a point why you use jasmonates, you dont have to hurt the plant but get better results as if you just do physical damage to your plant.Hi Folks,
My interest in Chitosan is not as an addition to my res. I'm not sure what the benefit of that particular enzyme it produces. I want to use it in conjunction with Giberrelic & Jasmonic acid (it needs to be dissolved in an organic acid) as a foliar spray from week 2 to week 4 of flowering.
http://www.plantphysiology.org/content/133/3/1367.short
The above link leads to one of the many articles I have read on the subject of 'Stimulating Trich Production'. To mimick insect attack on the plants and kick the defense system into overdrive, thus producing more 'Frost', I plan to alloy this procedure to a regimen of regular & constant mechanical damage. In the form of nibbling the leaves with a hole punch. (Some research papers suggested a trigger lay in the saliva of the munching insect, so I clean the head of the hole punch with my mouth - why not?)
I reckon if I spray my plants with this mixture and keep attacking them with the hole punch I might see a marked increase in trich production = +++potency!
The only thing I have to determine/guess are the dilution rates of the two acids. Might just have to suck it and see!
Anyone done this before? I would love to hear from you.
I will of course share my results, if any!
Happy growing
please do not use gib. its not worth it, trust me. if you want something a bit like gib, try bras. bras activates SAR also, so maybe a good addition to chito or jasmo. for me .01ppm is to much, .004 or so could be a good number to start. but i think you better avoid gib bras or all stretchers. and when you use jasmonate, you dont have to hurt the plant. thats a point why you use jasmonates, you dont have to hurt the plant but get better results as if you just do physical damage to your plant.
....and sorry, do you think you can dissolve the chito in jasmonic acid?^^ pure jasmonate it expensive as fuck, pure methyl jasmonate also. and you need such a litte amount that it is impossible to dissolve the chito in the jasmonic acid. jaz rose spray is the cheap answer, its MDJA. you better use hcl at 0.4mol to dissolve the chito...
http://www.bestchitosan.com/index_en.html
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Hi Peeps.
Interesting thread.
I was looking at Chitosan from a different perspective. Apparently when dissolved in an organic acid & sprayed onto the early budding crop, it mimmicks attack in some form and thereby stimulates trichome production. It has been used in conjunction with a programme of mechanical damage (ie nibbling the leaves with a tool) Both these together have in tests produced more trichs. More trichs = more VOC's = more potent product??
(Chinese 'snow crab' chit is top quality)
Anybody tried this or thinking about trying this?
Peace & happy growing
Hey BubbaBear,
I heard about Bud Factor X and why they use Chitosan I also get that too soon would definitely slow down bud 'growth'. Smaller but frostier buds.
- when do you think is the ideal time to use it?
Regards
Iffy
Hi BubbaBear,
Thanks for that priceless bit of info.
What organic acid would you recommend dissolving the chitosan into? Gibb, Jas - acetic? And what strength solution?
Thanks again
Iffy
The following only concerns you if you don't directly buy/use chitosan HCl, acetate, or lactate (they are directly water soluble)....
What organic acid would you recommend dissolving the chitosan into? Gibb, Jas - acetic? And what strength solution?
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Fulvic acid is an anionic polymer, chitosan a cationic. Mixing both, depending on chemical structure of both (which is usually not well known and my differ from batch to batch), may lead to full precipitation or gel formation. Both not very practical.maybe add some fulvic acid and filter out the insolubles?
Fulvic acid is an anionic polymer, chitosan a cationic. Mixing both, depending on chemical structure of both (which is usually not well known and my differ from batch to batch), may lead to full precipitation or gel formation. Both not very practical.
Whether or not this 'cross-linked' macromolecular complex retains the advantages of either or both partners remains to be seen (but I'd guess you're more likely to lose at least some of the activity).
Great info thanks for sharing. I was thinking the fulvic would help get the chitosan into the plant. Im not to well versed on what fulvic helps chelate and what it does not. Im going to order some chitosan oligo lactate, do you know what ppm l should apply it in the reservoir and as a foliar?
You're welcome.Great info thanks for sharing. I was thinking the fulvic would help get the chitosan into the plant. Im not to well versed on what fulvic helps chelate and what it does not. Im going to order some chitosan oligo lactate, do you know what ppm l should apply it in the reservoir and as a foliar?