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Ceramic Metal Halide (CMH)

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313Ninja

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greenwithenvy said:
I have no problem with GreenThumb14 whatsoever, I just want to make it clear whats up.


First: Its not as easy as it is said. Pooff just order a hf ballast and pair to lamp and vuala, u have it all figured out... nope, not even close, not even on the same planet.
This cmh is special and requires special technology to run them the way DNA claims, which extends lamp life, spectrum consistency and output, and improved lumen life and decrease depreciation %.

Second: You have to establish relationship with your manufacture and do a moq (minimum order quantity). Thats a few hundred g's

Third: It takes big money to make money. DNA is in business to do business... I.e make money.

Fourth: There are huge technological differences between low quality and high quality ballast...I.e parts for ballast, casing, computer mods and chips, workmanship, wiring, time, and a lot more.
DNA wants a good quality ballast that they can stand behind and warranty. Im not even touching the surface at all.
Its business 101, overhead, payroll, shipping, and again a bunch more stuff that all adds to cost.

Fifth: If it was so easy and not special at all, why doesn't every one just do it? Ill tell you why, because it cost a FUCK load of money, man hours, designing parameters, negotiation delimas, ul procedures, paperwork,head aches, ups and downs, shipping bullshit from china, customs and again, a lot more!!! So its clear you haven't ran an import/export business before, that I know is obvious.

Sixth: DNA started this business to bring newer and better technology to the grower at a price that is better by far than led, plasma, and induction, that we all know for the money, doesn't do a damn thing for most growers, hence most growers still use mh/hps. DNA is simply supplying a better product at an affordable price that is comparable to hps pricing. The 315w ballast with lamp and adapter is only $350 and with a $280 og hood for only $500. There are other company's charging about double that for what they are selling, with an idy bidy tiny little hood that cost about $30 bucks. Im sure they are making money but definately not trying to rail anyone. And the 860 isnt much more! But I digress, obviously DNA must not know anything, haven't done any studying or homework, never ran a business, have no money, must be ripping everyone off, and a horrible business , blaa, blaa, fucking blaa.
Its simple if you dont like the product and /or pricing don't buy it.

Ill go a step further. Here's a challenge for anyone on planet Earth, if you can come up with a lamp/ballast technology different than what DNA is offering at a better price with better quality and a better spectrum, Ill eat my shorts and ill buy your product.
Let me make it simple for you:
Hps
Mh
Induction
Led
Plasma
Pretty sure that covers it,
DNA will put it to the test in front of the world with machines that give us facts not opinions like micro mole quantum meters and spectrometers for par/ppf. Lets see who steps up and lets see who's eating who's shorts.
Not including what they have, which btw they have more things a brewin in immediate near future that are bad ass and new technology.


"Gel" like other companies have zero connection with DNA.
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I feel the same way, and couldn't agree more. I have been looking for some type of pairing of Ballasts and the 315w. I have met the DNA guys and they are not greedy assholes for lack of a better term. Speaking with the guys, they have a passion for the industry and I respect that a lot more these days.
 
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rives

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jorgeblen said:
would this 315w fixture be too much for a 65x85x150cm garden?
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No. I'm using one in an 80 x 80 tent. Many people consider 50w/square foot to be the minimum necessary to grow well with HIDs. A 315w in 6.14 square feet (your garden) puts you almost dead on the nose.
 
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MEnSouRdeeZ

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stoogots nice shots.. so you're effectively covering covering a 1.3m x 1.7m area with one 315w fixture? that's awesome... may I ask, why are you using the 930.. granted it is good but the 942 is the agro version and superior is it not? thanks
 
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psyphish

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MEnSouRdeeZ said:
stoogots nice shots.. so you're effectively covering covering a 1.3m x 1.7m area with one 315w fixture? that's awesome... may I ask, why are you using the 930.. granted it is good but the 942 is the agro version and superior is it not? thanks
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942 = Daylight 930 = Agro. Not sure which one is actually better for growing though. My 400w Retro White seemed to do a better job at vegging than the 930 CDM.
 
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rives

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psyphish said:
942 = Daylight 930 = Agro. Not sure which one is actually better for growing though. My 400w Retro White seemed to do a better job at vegging than the 930 CDM.
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There is a "standard" version of the 930, too. The Agro has a significantly enhanced red spectrum over the other version.
 
pHive.8

pHive.8

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rives said:
There is a "standard" version of the 930, too. The Agro has a significantly enhanced red spectrum over the other version.
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This is correct, but the agro is called GreenPower now

here a room with 800+ µmol/m2s with CDM GreenPowers

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jorgeblen

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Thanks rives, good to know, I wasnt sure if this calculation was valid for cmh too.. I am just waiting for this new 315w greenpower to show up here to get one then. do you know dates already DGS?
 
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Fonzarelli

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Induction87 said:
The 860w allstart comes in both BT37 and BT56 bulb shapes. Which one are you using Fonz? I cant imagine it making a difference...
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The lamps are defective. They do not work properly. Waiting on Philips to correct the problem. Has anyone had success running a 860w Allstart on a magnetic ballast? Every lamp I've tried to light has strobed out like a disco. Very unsettling.
 
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greenwithenvy

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Fonzarelli said:
The lamps are defective. They do not work properly. Waiting on Philips to correct the problem. Has anyone had success running a 860w Allstart on a magnetic ballast? Every lamp I've tried to light has strobed out like a disco. Very unsettling.
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my 860's are powered by a 1000 watt hardcore sunlight supply switchable ballast set on HPS.
 
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jorgeblen

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DGS said:
once your supplier emptied their stock and they order new ones they should receive the new GreenPowers instead of the Agro / 930's
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I am in the uk and already asked maxigrow about it but I was told they will only supply the hortilux hse daylight fixture with the 942 lamp. Do you know who else will be selling it here?
 
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pHive.8

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jorgeblen said:
I am in the uk and already asked maxigrow about it but I was told they will only supply the hortilux hse daylight fixture with the 942 lamp. Do you know who else will be selling it here?
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the hse daylight is the same fixture as the d-papillon you already have.

you could buy the d-papillon's in the UK at: http://www.dgsupplies.co.uk/

but still they will need some time to swith from the 930/agro's to the greenpower
 
greenwithenvy

greenwithenvy

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Induction87 said:
What gives with that? Is the hps technology similar or the same as pulse start? Maybe its just probe start they don't like.
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I dont know why it works, its just what i was told to use for it. We have a 400 Retro white in the back of our shop that is powered by a 400 w magnetic on HPS as well.
 
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Fonzarelli

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DGS said:
once your supplier emptied their stock and they order new ones they should receive the new GreenPowers instead of the Agro / 930's


link GreenPower CDM/CMH bulbs:
http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/pwc_li/us_en/connect/tools_literature/downloads/p-6414.pdf
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Did they change anything from the Agro to Greenpower? Because the specs are slightly different between the two. The PPF is the same, but the K rating is different and the CRI rating also changed. What gives? Maybe they just goofed on their measurements first time around?
 
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