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Hey Simba, I was wondering if there are any SPD's for the CMH that shows the wavelengths below 400nm? The reason I ask is, I re-worked my little closet and want to incorporate UVR into my grow. I know the CMH emits some UV-A but I am uncertain of how much UV-b, if any, the glass shell lets through. I have done a bit of research on UV-mediated responses in plants and several studies confirm an increase in phenolic-terpenoids at high UV-B fluence rates, but at a slight cost in yield. However, a recent study also indicated that at low fluence rates (<1 nanowatt/square cm) the plants defense mechanisms (read: an increase flavinoid and cannabinoid production) kicks in without the decrease in yield. So, even though it wouldn't cost much ($40-$50), if the CMH emits enough UV-B I won't have to work into my grow. Thanks!
Namaste, mess
Namaste, mess
Hi Simba,
just wanted to show how the 150W CDM-TD test grow is doing...
One out of four plants, got chopped after 53 days of flowering, two days ago.
The rest might need another 2-3 weeks.
Well, what should I say,.. I`m pretty happy with the surprisingly good result.
just wanted to show how the 150W CDM-TD test grow is doing...
One out of four plants, got chopped after 53 days of flowering, two days ago.
The rest might need another 2-3 weeks.
Well, what should I say,.. I`m pretty happy with the surprisingly good result.
stink.whistler
Member
Is it true that both the 24 watt and the 54 watt T5HO colored lamps are 45.8 inches long (that's what it looks like on the web site)?
Sorry to ask this in the CMH thread, but the red lamps seem perfect to supplement a CMH with (per Simba).
Sorry to ask this in the CMH thread, but the red lamps seem perfect to supplement a CMH with (per Simba).
simba
Sleeping Dragon
the Philips
Red, blue, green 24 Watt are T5 HO at 22.5" length
Red, blue, green 54 Watt are T5 HO at 46.5" length
(note all t5s are shorter than T8 or t12. They both rate the bulb size.. the t5 rates the fixture size (there are few reasons why im hearing shorter size..some outright bogus some make sense )
the Philips Pure color lamps are ONLY HO lamps not 14 or 28w.. only T5HO24Watt or T5HO54 Ballasts..(all the horti t5 fixtures are HO..well 99%)
Red, blue, green 24 Watt are T5 HO at 22.5" length
Red, blue, green 54 Watt are T5 HO at 46.5" length
(note all t5s are shorter than T8 or t12. They both rate the bulb size.. the t5 rates the fixture size (there are few reasons why im hearing shorter size..some outright bogus some make sense )
the Philips Pure color lamps are ONLY HO lamps not 14 or 28w.. only T5HO24Watt or T5HO54 Ballasts..(all the horti t5 fixtures are HO..well 99%)
your post confused me so i browsed the philips website again and found something interesting:
actually philips show different products on their site depending on which language you select and there are also wrong informations on their site like wrong ilcos or weights (those are very new products but this really leads to confusion)
so in the end im pretty unclear about the real length (maybe they are different from country to country too lol) but i saw 14w and 28w in shops already so yes they exist but they are called HE (High Efficiency) instead of HO (High Output) which is only because of the different wattage i believe
edit: on my philips cdm elite packing it says "Not for sale in US" >_>
actually philips show different products on their site depending on which language you select and there are also wrong informations on their site like wrong ilcos or weights (those are very new products but this really leads to confusion)
so in the end im pretty unclear about the real length (maybe they are different from country to country too lol) but i saw 14w and 28w in shops already so yes they exist but they are called HE (High Efficiency) instead of HO (High Output) which is only because of the different wattage i believe
edit: on my philips cdm elite packing it says "Not for sale in US" >_>
simba
Sleeping Dragon
asde,
the T5s we are talking about are the Pure Phosphorus
"Philips T5HO Colored PRO Series" Only avail in e 24 or 54 watt
not the standard T5 series wich is avail in many watts but even then we only want T5HO wich is 24-80 watts
(here are the standard T5HO lamps AKA 3,000K 4,000K 5,000K (they are 22, 46, 58 Inches in length.. and are HO only..non HOs are same length just half the wattage (basically)
the ones we speak of are Pure Red, Blue, Green not 3,000K 4,000K or 5000K
ya that lamp you have was released in EU first (Not the bulb we like.. )Philips does not have the CMH retro Whites in EU>.
and the New cmh from Philips that we like hasn't been released prob 3qtr09
Side Note the CDM elite is avail in USA (been here for 4 months )(the eu had it for about a year first)
we are waiting for the Ver 2, for the better SPD.. the elite and 2 others had high LPW but that's cause they changed the salts a bit to gain efficiency..(in there case they put more green/yellow for higher LPW the Ver 2 is the same as current hps retro white SPD but with the Higher LPW.. YA!! took a bit of mastering the new series.._(the reason that lamp was avail first in EU is cause Philips there developed it and in eu philips has there own brand of ballasts. here we have Advance as philips ballast company and they had no ballast to power it and we have ANSI codes there was no ansi rating on that lamp)
as far as the HE vs HO there is HO in Europe.. HE is another lamp type
he is basicly standard T5 (super short version) and have higher LPW vs HO but HE doesnt go up to the HO wattage's.> Super simple version.. gets complex yet simple at the same time..
believe it or not but your Colman florescent/flashlight combo thing had a 5" t5 lamp, (from like forever ago..)
t5 is a standard thats been around for a long time but they where not able to get the high wattage till we went to electronic Programed Start Ballasts that Slowly add juice to the filament in the tube so it wasn't bouncing from the sudden jolt of 600v)
a t5ho (philips sil) will last 45K+ hours if left on for whole life if turned on 12 hours a day it will last 35K hours if 3 hours a day less.. and if you turn on and off more than once a day forget about life.. (they are delicate IMPHO but if treated right Nothing beats them)
got sidetrack t5 is avail in 4" threw 80" but for horti only 22-80" and 24,39,54,80 watt..
for the price of t5 you want HO.. otherwise T8HO is cheaper than standard t5 and more energy>> Not condoning t8ho
it gets complicated yet simple at same time..
standard, HO, VHO & EVHO are wattage not leanth specifiers.
you can tell what lenght the lamp is if you know if you only know the wattage and standard, HO, VHO & EVHO
IE:
t5 14watt is 22"
t5 HO 24watt is 22"
t5 VHO 50watt is 22"
t5 EVHO 95watt is 22" (another year or so before any avail production)
t5 28 watt is 46"
t5HO 54 watt is 46"
t5 VHO 95 watt is 46"
t5 EVHO 180 watt is 46" (another year or so before any avail production)
*my VHO and EVHO wattages may be a few watts off but u get the idea
the T5s we are talking about are the Pure Phosphorus
"Philips T5HO Colored PRO Series" Only avail in e 24 or 54 watt
not the standard T5 series wich is avail in many watts but even then we only want T5HO wich is 24-80 watts
(here are the standard T5HO lamps AKA 3,000K 4,000K 5,000K (they are 22, 46, 58 Inches in length.. and are HO only..non HOs are same length just half the wattage (basically)
the ones we speak of are Pure Red, Blue, Green not 3,000K 4,000K or 5000K
ya that lamp you have was released in EU first (Not the bulb we like.. )Philips does not have the CMH retro Whites in EU>.
and the New cmh from Philips that we like hasn't been released prob 3qtr09
Side Note the CDM elite is avail in USA (been here for 4 months )(the eu had it for about a year first)
we are waiting for the Ver 2, for the better SPD.. the elite and 2 others had high LPW but that's cause they changed the salts a bit to gain efficiency..(in there case they put more green/yellow for higher LPW the Ver 2 is the same as current hps retro white SPD but with the Higher LPW.. YA!! took a bit of mastering the new series.._(the reason that lamp was avail first in EU is cause Philips there developed it and in eu philips has there own brand of ballasts. here we have Advance as philips ballast company and they had no ballast to power it and we have ANSI codes there was no ansi rating on that lamp)
as far as the HE vs HO there is HO in Europe.. HE is another lamp type
he is basicly standard T5 (super short version) and have higher LPW vs HO but HE doesnt go up to the HO wattage's.> Super simple version.. gets complex yet simple at the same time..
believe it or not but your Colman florescent/flashlight combo thing had a 5" t5 lamp, (from like forever ago..)
t5 is a standard thats been around for a long time but they where not able to get the high wattage till we went to electronic Programed Start Ballasts that Slowly add juice to the filament in the tube so it wasn't bouncing from the sudden jolt of 600v)
a t5ho (philips sil) will last 45K+ hours if left on for whole life if turned on 12 hours a day it will last 35K hours if 3 hours a day less.. and if you turn on and off more than once a day forget about life.. (they are delicate IMPHO but if treated right Nothing beats them)
got sidetrack t5 is avail in 4" threw 80" but for horti only 22-80" and 24,39,54,80 watt..
for the price of t5 you want HO.. otherwise T8HO is cheaper than standard t5 and more energy>> Not condoning t8ho
it gets complicated yet simple at same time..
standard, HO, VHO & EVHO are wattage not leanth specifiers.
you can tell what lenght the lamp is if you know if you only know the wattage and standard, HO, VHO & EVHO
IE:
t5 14watt is 22"
t5 HO 24watt is 22"
t5 VHO 50watt is 22"
t5 EVHO 95watt is 22" (another year or so before any avail production)
t5 28 watt is 46"
t5HO 54 watt is 46"
t5 VHO 95 watt is 46"
t5 EVHO 180 watt is 46" (another year or so before any avail production)
*my VHO and EVHO wattages may be a few watts off but u get the idea
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Poot=P.L. Lighting.
I saw the 400w poot in action with a Hortilux bulb (midi reflector) and I'm VERY impressed. Nothing but quality. Ballast was quiet and the light seemed very intense and focused.
The extra 100-200 bucks is definatly worth the money.
It's going to get a 400w CHM soon.
The crop will be greens, tomatoes and peppers-so I should be able to post a few pics in a few months once it's all up and running.
I saw the 400w poot in action with a Hortilux bulb (midi reflector) and I'm VERY impressed. Nothing but quality. Ballast was quiet and the light seemed very intense and focused.
The extra 100-200 bucks is definatly worth the money.
It's going to get a 400w CHM soon.
The crop will be greens, tomatoes and peppers-so I should be able to post a few pics in a few months once it's all up and running.
simba
Sleeping Dragon
yups in Hungary they are avail as you say,,i wouldn't use them unless only as Clon lights (not enough energy for horti like penetration power would be limited (good for lettuce though)
they are not available everywhere the colored 54 watt is..
although it might be nice to have 3 54 reds and 3 24 wat blues to maximize power efficiency while providing uniform mixing of red blue on each plant as now you have to have 2,3 red for every 1 blue.. and thats only cause any more 54w blues would be to much blue vs red ratio.. if that makes sense.. (but ya limited availability almost better just to dim the 54)
i didn't see them until you pointed out..(good find)
they are not available everywhere the colored 54 watt is..
although it might be nice to have 3 54 reds and 3 24 wat blues to maximize power efficiency while providing uniform mixing of red blue on each plant as now you have to have 2,3 red for every 1 blue.. and thats only cause any more 54w blues would be to much blue vs red ratio.. if that makes sense.. (but ya limited availability almost better just to dim the 54)
i didn't see them until you pointed out..(good find)
Heres what I am doing with a pair of 400W CMH's
sorry for the weird bars... my camera phone sucks
sorry for the weird bars... my camera phone sucks
rabid
Member
I have a t5HO 8 (54 watt) bulb x 4' fixture (432 watts). Can these t5 VHO 95 watt bulbs work with the existing multi-volt ballasts in my unit or will there not be enough juice to drive 8 of these 95 watt bulbs???
simba
Sleeping Dragon
Oh Chit!!!...i forgot to add the 58" versions of T5 series standard, ho, vho, evho
the t5 VHO 90 watt 54" will not run in a T5 HO system..
it may power the lamps up but unknown at what LPW effeciancy prob less output than current lamp with same K rating..
i have powered 22" 24 watt t5ho's with a 54 watt t5ho ballast. it runs for about 1/3-1/2 life..
i wouldn't recommend over or under powering you void good warranties..
honestly with a 8x54t5ho-46" id just get the pure red and blue.. 5 red 3 blue.. and its like 10 or more 3k, 4k, 5k 6k T5ho's
the t5 VHO 90 watt 54" will not run in a T5 HO system..
it may power the lamps up but unknown at what LPW effeciancy prob less output than current lamp with same K rating..
i have powered 22" 24 watt t5ho's with a 54 watt t5ho ballast. it runs for about 1/3-1/2 life..
i wouldn't recommend over or under powering you void good warranties..
honestly with a 8x54t5ho-46" id just get the pure red and blue.. 5 red 3 blue.. and its like 10 or more 3k, 4k, 5k 6k T5ho's
