cation exchange capacity / coco article beginner friendly

[captain.koons]

You're comparing h2o2 and chlorine and then saying I seem to have not taken high school chem. HAHA
Are you saying chlorine doesn't need water added or hydrogen peroxide doesn't need water added? Neither need water added they're both oxidants and they're both very powerful in their pure form.
100% hydrogen peroxide contains no h2o, it contains only h2o2.
It just happens that when you purchase h2o2 it comes in diluted form. You're dense, I pointed this out explaining it's diluted for safety I wouldn't suggest putting undiluted h2o2 on your elbow. Again, I pointed this out
Chlorine doesn't have any water, in fact once chlorine is added to water it goes through a chemical change and is no longer a chloride molecule, but becomes hydrochloric acid (HCl) and hypochlorous acid(HOCl).


And btw, you really need to work on your metaphors. I wonder what metaphors you're speaking of....

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[coconaut]

Chlorine isn't an oxidant, it's an element, oxygen oxidizes, not chlorine.
When chloride is added to water it forms hypochlorous acid.
HOCl has the ability to oxidize because it gives up it's oxygen atom and becomes hydrochloric acid.

You did not explain h2o2 is diluted for safety, not in a way that was coherent.


Anyway troll, move along, you've said nothing that is factual, if you care to disprove all my facts like I've done to yours, go ahead, but all you can do is call me dense and be more belligerent.
Smoke 2 and chill out kid.

 

[captain.koons]

Chlorine isn't an oxidant, it's an element, oxygen oxidizes, not chlorine.
When chloride is added to water it forms hypochlorous acid.
HOCl has the ability to oxidize because it gives up it's oxygen atom and becomes hydrochloric acid.

You did not explain h2o2 is diluted for safety, not in a way that was coherent.


Anyway troll, move along, you've said nothing that is factual, if you care to disprove all my facts like I've done to yours, go ahead, but all you can do is call me dense and be more belligerent.
Smoke 2 and chill out kid.

It doesn't need water added to it to react the water is there so when you put it on your elbow you don't get a chemical skin peel.

That's not a coherent enough way to explain h202 isn't safe undiluted? Well then I go back to my statement that you're dense.

As for chlorine, yes it's an element it's also a halogen. Halogens are very electronegative and can accept / gain an electron easily which puts them into an oxidized state. An oxidant being a chemical compound that gains electrons in a redox reaction.

 

[Cannoiseur]

Chlorine isn't an oxidant, it's an element, oxygen oxidizes, not chlorine.
When chloride is added to water it forms hypochlorous acid.
HOCl has the ability to oxidize because it gives up it's oxygen atom and becomes hydrochloric acid.

You did not explain h2o2 is diluted for safety, not in a way that was coherent.


Anyway troll, move along, you've said nothing that is factual, if you care to disprove all my facts like I've done to yours, go ahead, but all you can do is call me dense and be more belligerent.
Smoke 2 and chill out kid.

This post makes me sad. You should not be lecturing others on their chemistry if you're still under the impression that oxygen is the only element capable of oxidizing. Oxidation/reduction has NOTHING to do with the actual oxygen atom. It is the process of electron donation/acceptance and most any ions are capable of it.

 

[coconaut]

I haven't been in high school for well over a decade. I'm no scientist. I'm no expert on this stuff, I'm just a simple tradesman, a Millwright, for those who know.
One ability I do have, is reading comprehension. I'm extremely good at understanding things.
I'm not trying to lecture anyone, I do feel like I'm beating a dead horse here.
The whole issue is, is chlorine dangerous?
For everything I've read, my logic tells me no. People in this thread have tried to come up with ways to disprove my logic. I try my best to explain my points of view, but still get slammed.

Sorry to make you sad, I hope you didn't cry.
After a little reading;
yes other elements have the ability to redox.
Chlorine gas can be bubbled through bromide anions to oxidize and create bromine.
Shame on me for not knowing this. However, there's only so many hours in a day and I don't waste too much time on things that aren't directly relevant to what I'm thinking about.

Cannoiseur, really your criticism was a little nit-picky. Earlier in this thread you seemed to be on my side of the argument, so if you can explain it better than I have done so far why don't you? Instead of just acting like a pompous ass.

 

[2Lazy]

Hahahahah... trolls.

Can we just agree that chlorine + cannabis = bad. That's some math I think we can all wrap our heads around.

H2O2 at very low levels is safe for hydro systems to kill the microbacteria in the reservoir and anything that is growing on the roots. Some microbacteria is good, some isn't, and H202 acts on an enzyme they all have.

In all, I steer as clear as possible from anything chemical like that. Coco just doesn't need either, but of the two, chlorides are much worse.

So... now we drop this subject, take 5 deep breaths, and then move on.

 

[Cannoiseur]

I'm sorry my reply seemed nitpicky, I really am. And yes, I am on your side of the argument for the most part (except for the part where I didn't realize that there was an argument even happening). However, in the interest of propagating correct information whenever possible I feel it is everyone's responsibility to explain the correct answer, no matter who they correct. You may be my best friend in the whole world, but I still feel it's in everyone's best interest to explain that oxidation has nothing to do with elemental oxygen. It's a common misconception and can have drastic consequences in fields where a redox reaction can be the difference between success and failure.

So once again, sorry if I hurt your feelings with my nitpicky response but I was a little shocked to find the person so adamantly promoting correct science in this thread was a tad behind on basic chemical interactions. Cheers

 

[coconaut]

My feelings were never hurt, I never mentioned my own feelings, you said you were sad, so obviously this thread has your emotions in disarray, please accept my apologies.
I am confused how this misconception could have drastic consequences in cannabis cultivation. It must some how because you're all horny over this topic now.
Seeing as you're interested in propagating correct information perhaps you can school us a little and explain in detail about redox, since you're so well versed.

 

[coconaut]

And I'm a little shocked you don't know argument is synonymous with debate, that's some pretty basic English comprehension.

 

[growinthehills]

since this thread is full of trolls... i figured i would troll too. You guys get awfully worked up over this stuff. I know it is important... but come on take a few deep breaths and calm down. Is your opinion really that important. You know what it is and that is what you are going to use in your garden. Some of you guys are arguing over a topic that has nothing to do with this thread. I just wanted a little refresher on CEC.

I hope everybody has nice day and is successful in their garden no matter their opinion on chlorine and chloramine.

 

[coconaut]

Thank you growinthehills, here's wishing you a nice day too, and a happy Easter.

 

[Cannoiseur]

And I'm a little shocked you don't know argument is synonymous with debate, that's some pretty basic English comprehension.

Now let's not resort to baseless personal attacks friend, I believe there is a significant difference between a casual discussion/debate and a vicious argument. I'm not here to discuss semantics with you however, if you feel they're one in the same then by all means continue your argument.

I am confused how this misconception could have drastic consequences in cannabis cultivation. It must some how because you're all horny over this topic now.
Seeing as you're interested in propagating correct information perhaps you can school us a little and explain in detail about redox, since you're so well versed.

Wow. Just wow. You're clearly incapable of having a civil discussion and I have no more desire to discuss this with you. When you're able to put your childish retorts on the back burner and have an intelligent conversation then please by all means send me a message and I'll gladly converse with you.

 

[coconaut]

So you concede, I win.

 

[Cannoiseur]

that's the difference between a conversation and an argument. I was trying to have a civil discussion, but of course nobody can "win" that.

So congratulations I guess. your mom should be so proud

 

[coconaut]

I win again, you said you would no longer converse with me, I sucked you back in.

 

[captain.koons]

and you called me a troll...

 

[guest1ab]

Hey How about H202 (Hydrogen Peroxide)? Does this stuff get neutralized as well? How does that work?

 

[Cannoiseur]

It generally just donates the free radical oxygen to a near by compound and becomes water. It really depends on what it's reacting with though

 

[Scrogerman]

Tagged!

 

[guest1ab]

It generally just donates the free radical oxygen to a near by compound and becomes water. It really depends on what it's reacting with though

If you were using it to sterilize some stagnant water do you think it would help oxygenate it at all? Thx for your reply.