Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.

[indifferent]

About CO2, currently, I use a 2 litre clear plastic milk bottle half full of water, and I have never changed the water, I just add some yeast and sugar every day so there is always a froth on top. Reading your info, I think these alterations could be of benefit:

Change container to a lightproof one with a lid, connect a hose to the lid and run hose to top of cab so co2 is released at top of cab.

So you suggest adding rice and baking soda to the sugar and yeast? I've also read of adding fruit juice or fruit pieces.

My reasoning for placing my co2 bottle on the floor of the cab is that the open neck is then level with the medium and the open end of the cool tube at the other side of the cab draws the air and co2 across and upwards, there is a circulation fan at the opposite side of the cab to the bottle so i hoped I would get co2 swrling through my plants on it's way to the cool tube to be exhausted.

 

[*mistress*]

Seaweed Extract
Castille Soap (wetting agent, also has some phosphoric acid in it)
Cytokinin
Triacontanol
Polysorbate 20
Molasses

@ what rates?

how much grams/ml per liter/gallon?
what will you adjust ph to?

the soap+!
fwiw, little detergent, or baby oil works as well... to reduce surface tension. if dont
have an emulsifier.

Change container to a lightproof one with a lid, connect a hose to the lid and run hose to top of cab so co2 is released at top of cab.

light-proof & air tight+...
above plants so heavier co2+...

though can have mix in 5 gal bucket... w/ small computer fan attached to lid... blowing c02 into manifold... then stepped down to 1/8" regular air hose line... actually curled into plants onto stakes...

or...

simply placed in back of fans...

So you suggest adding rice and baking soda to the sugar and yeast? I've also read of adding fruit juice or fruit pieces.

never tried only water & yeast... only fruit juices... or fruits themselves... from apples to grapefruits to oranges, etc...

the citrus fruits 'flip' quicker than thicker apple juice.
can be old, out-dated juice from discount general store...

posted entire method in past incarnation in link...

basically, for every gallon of juice, 1 pond of sugar, per week...

but... start w/ the mash... which is the inner-core/pulp of various fruit & amendments...
start w/ quart of juice, few apple core, grapefruit cores, raisins, potato sliced in half, handfull of rice... let sit for 1 week... then add cup of sugar...

5 gal of orange/grapefruit juice... 5 gal bucket w/ lid...

can either... 1) attach small 25-50 cfm fan to lid, make manifold out of pvc, etc... & end-cap... then insert tubes into manifold to dispers in garden...; or 2) place in front of intake for ac grille...; or 3) place behind oscillating fans, etc, etc...

after mash starts bubbling... & can taste sweetness disappearing... pour into 5 gal bucket... wrapped w/ emergency blanket to keep warm... grapefruit juice & orange juice are easier to taste 'sweet' or 'sour' than applejuice... but most any work.

let 5 gals turn for week... if keep mash in filter, will be easier to strain... but can let be free in solution... will float to top & bubble... this is c02...

can leave it @ that point & simply keep it warm & it will keep cooking... once done (7-14 days)... replace portion of solution w/ regular juice.

do not even have to use yeast, baking soda, etc... but, if sprinkled on top, lightly, will increase rate of activity... if not added, will just cook slower & steadier...

rice makes sake... potatoes make vodka... molasses makes rum, etc, etc... can make schnapps, etc, etc... or just dump it out. however... this same batch can be kept alive indefintely... w/ proper balance of fresh juice & sugar... batch will cook indefinitely too...

keep the mash when strained. this is the basis for the solution... can extract portion of mash, add to separate juice container & another batch starts... even if dump entire juice bucket... keep mash in container & add small amount of sugar wkly... this is the 'aged' beverage...

this is how there are original whiskeys, etc... from 1600's... in same old barrels...

My reasoning for placing my co2 bottle on the floor of the cab is that the open neck is then level with the medium and the open end of the cool tube at the other side of the cab draws the air and co2 across and upwards, there is a circulation fan at the opposite side of the cab to the bottle so i hoped I would get co2 swrling through my plants on it's way to the cool tube to be exhausted.

if the air pressure & velocity is strong enough+++
especially if environment is closed/sealed...

but, ideally, want c02 to cascade down over plants & up too... to get to stomata that are more abundant on bottom of leaves... so, both top & bottom of leaves... however that can be done.

bubble counters (can diy those too) are nice too... they will count amount of c02 released into chamber... aquarium gardeners use these & make them too...

once 2-5 gal batch gets goin & is kept warm & sugar'd just right... will be lots of froth-emitting bubbles... smaller escape hole=better...

say, 1/2" vinyl hose, end-capped, hole-punched & 1/8" hoses inserted... those lines going to ea plant site... only requirement is air to push/pull gas thru line to plant... though it will get there by itself... the pressure in the bucket forces it out...why the hole is kept small... =greater internal bucket pressure - of c02 needing escape...

the process can be just as methodical & exacting as a nute regime... or as simple as juice & sugar in a bucket... depends on desires...

here is an excellent thread, on icmag, that may be helpful:
Kit Winemaking Tutorial
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=96640&highlight=wine

enjoy your garden!

 

[indifferent]

Hmm, you have just inspired another diy project in my mind. I envisage a system involving a large thermos some tubing and a fan. I have all the parts, time to break out the hot melt glue gun, stanley knife and hacksaw, now where did I put that plastic funnel?

I shall return forthwith when I have cut a few fingers to shreds making my contraption!

I shall do some shopping for fruit and juice, I already have loads and loads of molasses, I like the idea of making rum, which gives me another idea - I shall make ganja rum!

Molasses brew from my co2 generation with ISO extracted hash oil added should make a rather delectable and deadly ganja rum methinks!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Thank-you all very much

Thank-you all very much

Can I just say how sorry I am to be replying so late to these posts, I had some personal things to attend too sadly and kept me away from the PC etc, thank-you all for your kind words since my last post, I am thrilled , I was hesitant to read to be honest, I think I stayed away too long and for some reason imagined all sorts but see we only had one nut trying to spoil thing's, again thanks to everyone who put our myopic friend* straight.
I wish you all happy, healthy and hopefully free 2110's

nice update hazy lady

way to stay with the thread and keep on top of things... that gets difficult with life and all

i am especially stoked for your results, showing in detail how boost works... even at only 50% reccomended dosage (which is what i like to give). its expensive sure, and imo definately not for those who aren't working in a dialed setting (theyd be better off spending time and money dialing in environment and learning growth traits first... they arent gonna see/notice the difference anyway).. but for those of us that kind of understand how our environments work and effect our favorite ladies - boost takes things to another level for sure. it makes te grow more fun to watch and the flowers more fun to burn. mmmmm

thanks for the show!

Hi Grey, You said it! still, I managed to finish this one before life got in the way at least.
I agree with that summing up completely, I think that is good advice for most products in fact, you should have your grow as near to 'dialled in' as possible before you start using much more than the plant needs, nutrient wise. Your grow is your control if you like? Thanks for all your contributions on here and your advice early on regarding Zoo etc. Cheers Greyskull
( on an unrelated matter, did you get your xmas bonus from c*n*a yet? ) [ = gag]

This is one of the best experiment threads I have ever seen, way to go hazy lady, and thanks to everyone else who's contributed, there is a huge load of good info in this thread to be digested.

I think the next experiment should be something along these lines:

A: Boost + Molasses
B: Boost + Molasses + Foliar Boost
C: Boost + Molasses + Foliar Triacontanol
D: Boost + Molasses + Foliar Cytokinin


There's a lot of work to be done trying all those out. They can all be bought cheaply and are all to be found in various bloom boosting products.

Hi Indi, I shortened your post just to save space but nonetheless great stuff as usual, I am glad you found our thread, you're a real asset.
I am planning my next one now as I prepare the clones, I am going to use a faster Super Silver Haze this time, I got some Triacontanol too, so I will be going the way you suggest, the Cytokin I hadn't looked into so will need to, I know of it but thats about it. Thanks for everything Indi, look forward to seeing tons this year

Great results Hazy,
bouncing.!!! Think i'm gonna stager and increase the dose wk to wk from half to start(20ml) up to full(40ml). i havent decided just how much to increase weekly, but i'm sure it'll be on a full dose of B/A in No time!! after reading your results. Not yet sure if i'm gonna go with the mollasses now, but i may, we'll have to wait n see!
A very informative thread with positve & interesting controls & results.
Respect to all who now lead me on a new path of discovery!!! Especially you Hazy
'Be-Lucky All' - 'Peace & Respect'.............Scroger'
............................................"Stickytastic".............................................................. 'Like My Buds'

Stickytastic , Happy new year to you Scroggs, do try one with Molasses and Boost Scrogg, it really does change it for the better imo, these buds are great now with a few months cure, the D's are no doubt the best now, it is hard not to just eat one! , good to see you got the TB ( Testing Bug) thanks for the nice words Scrogg

 

[Hazy Lady]

More Thanks

More Thanks

Whoa this thread has gone beyond itself. It hath become epic. Lots of great info...

What about Thidiazuron (TDZ)? This scientific study found it to be the best cytokonin inducer for cannabis: http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/41(2)/PJB41(2)603.pdf

But maybe its some chinese plot to give Western potheads cancer.

Thank-you for my part D, it has been blessed with so many great posts, links and generally great info, it's a pleasure to be part of it.
Thanks for the PDF too, I will get to it when i have posted these, it looks pretty detailed, I see it has 6 authors! looks like they meant business in this study.

Bravo, well done Hazy Lady!

Thank you HC, it's very nice of you to post, I'm glad you popped in

Hazy , For all i know, i have read some really crazy nonsense here before, and for all i knew it could have been just as simple as a teenager hearing what his friends said an believing him or her. Just had to get it straightened out cause i do believe super grow has some great products, and realitivly cheap too. Just had to straighten it out...

I think greyskull said the conclusion best. ( an he has tool lyrics in his sig, maynard jesus, right on)

i agree totally with using bb, i have noticed improved results in the visual department, and final size. Witnessed how a stressed plant laging will go into overdrive almost.

good stuff. an thanks for taking the time to write all this up. It means alot to many..

B-safe

Thank-you for taking time to read it Gman.
Yes!, Greyskull has a nice way to sum things up, I am sorry about the Supergow saga dear, never meant any of that, that aside, I am happy you enjoyed the thread, you take care too

Now is when we discuss the results! How exciting! Grats to Hazy! More after I have some time to digest all this. 8)

Thanks Badge', as long as it's not hard to swallow then

it seems like molasess rules your guys life, its the most talked about thing on theese forums, all ive learned is that u dont flush with it, the 17percnet increase is little hard to swallow much like too much molasses itself, but i use it, as i have a bottle i bought for personal health a while back.. dam the molasses talk though, lets thank the stater of this thread n move on.

This is the trouble with only 1/2 reading something!, where does it say molasses increased any bud by any amount?
Please feel free to 'move on' any place you like, but if you read more and skimmed over less, you'd have read we are staying put till we sort our test based grow-threads home sorted.
Seems very odd to slam something and then announce "but I use it" whatever your reason for possessing a jar may be!, if you want a row with someone I suggest you find another thread, none of the regulars here come to fight as far as I know.
Please add everything *mistress* below says too.

us garden grrllz too?

no. molasses does not rule the life of *mistress*...

it does seemingly chelate some elements & stabilize ph, to some degree.

how did you come to this conclusion?
by randomly sampling all active threads for the term 'molasses'?

and nothing else?

where is a 17% increase in y*eld attributed to molasses supplementation?

move on to what?

what suggestions does member hilbie have for improving plant physiology? for influencing their responses to external stimuli?

what novel approaches does hilbie apply to enhance the flowers in the garden?

enjoy your garden!

Hey *m* Thank-you for everything, you have been a star from page 1, you have been a tremendous help to me, and you have been a great teacher on many topics I know I would never have got into but for you.

At it again hilbie, bit of a flamer you aint ya! lo
Hey M.

Hey Scogg, I hope you're well, you got his number!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Many Thanks

Many Thanks

theres pro chemist at compines making nute after nute after nute after nute, some one comes along on a grow forum and is like, those chemist need ph help, and this isnt right, im going to add this and fix the problem with my newbie masters degree in sugar, add it an move on is all im saying, it aint that special-


i imagine half the fools adding this stuff to there nutes have this shit already in it, its more common then u realize-

ok, but why dont you start your own thread to spout off in?

I saw your post about 17% increase, and went back though the thread looking for this. Unfortunately for me, you were just pulling bullshit out of your ass (for no reason).

I love wasting my time, looking for info assholes cite, when it was never stated.

I am sorry you had your time wasted because hilbie chose not to use his ShroomDr, I hope it doesn't stop you dropping by again though

?... relevancy?

if the 'pro chemist' are so accurate, why not use the bottle instructions?

anybody compared rez/head flora series form at 6/9 to lucas to 8/16 [thread starter: hilbie]
fwiw, the 'rez', 'h3ad' & lucas formulas were/are all posted on 'forums'... w/ the ph/lucas formula, goes back some time... on the forums...

why seek data & innovations in/from the forums & then simultaneously sneer @ the data & innovations that are constantly occurring?
some critical points you neglect is that 'pro chemists', lab tech, etc. all rove these boards... sometimes they take concepts, patent them & create new products... some times they simply replicate the work of many forum members that have dialed in their system...
'fools'?

enjoy your garden!

An excellent post/point *mistress*.

back to subject...

I like Boost

everything about it... the extra resin production, the dimensions it adds to what your carbs increase, the increase in yeild - its like really adding the finishing touches (like a finisher). i think the name is proper as well... it helps your dialed in garden get up another level or 2...

I like Greyskull, thanks G

Well I'm going to give coco a try.
I finally found free shipping so it's doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy this stuff.
I found: Coco Garden 650-Gram Compressed Coco Fiber Growing Medium @ Price: $8.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping


I bought three to qualify for the Free shipping.
That should provide enough for three buckets plus the perlite.

We gotcha now

Hey my Owly friend, nice to see you are joining the nut's, you'll be thrilled at the speed after growing in rabbit droppings , I would follow Indi's advice below and give the first a good look at, run off etc, remember my Silver Haze babies a while back?, they got messed up from salt in a reputable company's Coco. I always rinse now, I wont risk it for seedlings or cuttings without, larger/older plants when transplanted get 'watered in' till the run off is 6.0 PH (same as going in btw) so any risk is washed away. I am sure we will chat lots regarding coco anyway, I look forward to it, as always. Have a Great New Year kid
PS, any clue how many litres those blocks swell to?, a long time ago we used to get 10 lt blocks that would be about 8"x5"x2" before soaking, 650 gms sounds a lot heavier than the ones I speak of, only you dont need a lot of coco you know?, that lovely Mango you just harvested, you would easy get her from a 2 or 3 litre pot with room to spare, those three blocks could easy be enough if you are doing your limit all in coco, anyway I am rambling, for a change, I planned to write you as soon as I had caught up here as it goes still rambling hazy, ciao ciao OM.

Sounds good owl, just make sure you flush the first brick and test the runoff for salts, if it has salts, you'll need to flush the other blocks before use.

On the subject of us fools playing around, well, if there was a magic nutrient that worked perfectly, producing maximum results in every grow system and setup, then we wouldn't need to experiment, but there isn't, and experimentation is fun.

Ever considered that some people might like to experiment because they actually really enjoy and get satisfaction from the learning process?

Yes, I really enjoy learning, knowledge is cool imho. No, I'm not a nerd! lol

If enjoying this type of grow and sharing the results makes you a nerd then nerd me up , Great advice for our Owl above Indi, thank-you

Will you put together a comprehensive tutorial for everyone to follow ?

Hi buddy good to see you here ( I posted this before the stuff above - I know it's the weed but will I stop smoking it?, will I *%"! )

hilbie, this has been a wonderful thread full of nice folks sharing good info, don't spoil it.

Thanks Indi, quite right

Please forgive me if this was already covered in the thread previously, but since I found this thread tonight I only read the posts by the author and 2-3 others (too much noise for one sitting).

I found somewhere else (googling) that this product (canna boost) "special ingredients" are "Triacontanol & L-Amino Acids".


My question, could you make your very own version of canna boost for much cheaper with these two ingredients:

http://www.super-grow.biz/Triacontanol.jsp
http://www.super-grow.biz/Amino.jsp
?

Thank you, and sorry if this has already been discussed above and I missed it.

I guess you had your answer by now I, for one am aiming for just this, to produce the same/similar effects as C.Boost for a fraction of the cost. I have some Triacontanol powder to try but like the others would say there is a lot more to Boost than Triacontanol and an Amino acid.
It seems a good place to start anyway, we have lots of research showing the effects we would like certainly for Tri' anyway. I'm sure you've read we should have plenty of testing going on very soon, especially with Tri'

Interesting. I have a feeling that it's got more in it than just Triacontanol and Aminos. I think it has fermented soy beans in it like BioBizz TopMaX does. The stuff they are extracting by fermenting the soy is phospholipids and you can buy the food additive Lecithin in granulated for cheap, it is 97% phospholipids. I think there is some molasses or raw sugar cane juice in Boost too.

I have started using Dutch Master MAX Bloom which is a humic/fulvic product with an NPK of 0.114-2-3, it contains a mild PK boost and in the DM blurb they mention 'phospholipid technology'. I googled phospholipids and found some info:



Sounds to me like this could be used to feed a plant, the phosphoric acid most certainly would be of use. I expect DM MAX Bloom contains Lecithin or a similar phospholipid as it's source of phosphorous. MAX is a thick, gloopy reddish substance so that could well be the phospholids causing that as it says in aqueous solution it forms structures.

Lecithin is fairly cheap to buy - a 250g container of granules is about 5ukp and that is 97% phospholids which has got to be a lot more of the stuff than is in several bottles of DM MAX.

105mg of phosphorous in 3.5g makes it pretty weak in phos I think, 3.5g is 3.5 million mg, and 105 out of 3,500,000 is a pretty low percentage.

Anyways, anyone got any thoughts on the possible usefulness of lecithin as a mild bloom additive?

I can buy Minamino liquid Aminos from a fishing bait place really cheap, and I ordered some Triacontanol from supergrow last week.

If someone tracks down the actual ingredients of Boost I'm sure I can make something very similar.

So far, my list of likely suspects for ingredients:

Triacontanol
Amino Acids
Molasses
Lecithin

It's probably got some seaweed extracts in there too, possibly for the cytokinin, but there is a lot of other good stuff in seaweed.

The other things I'm interested in for their possible use as bloom boosters are the chelated minerals you can buy in healthfood shops. Surely if they are in chelated form, they are immediately available to the plant?

This one piqued my interest:

Chelated Potassium Gluconat

A chelated form of potassium sounds like something that could be a useful ingredient in a bloom booster.

Also, I found some interesting info about the role of Amino Acids in flower development from the page of a Chinese producer of pant growth regulators , fertilisersand amino chelates:



Having read that, i think it's a safe bet that Boost also has Amino acids. The 'hydrolyzed carbohydrates' they mention sounds like molasses or sugar cane juice in solution to me.

If only I can find a recipe for a bloom booster I'll be happy!

Amen to that Indi, more great stuff, thanks again

Did you remember to order polysorbate 20 from ebay you'll need to mix Triacontanol into water?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Polysorbate-20-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304793c0b

Thanks for that NoNo

An Interesting article on Bloom Booster Ingredients from AN:



According to that, ascorbic acid and citric acid are useful plants, so I expect those will be in Canna Boost too. Perhaps they are extracting these two carbohydrates from molasses? Certainly you can buy these two substances easily and cheaply.

I'll add that I've ran just boost , just molasses and bother together and I've had my best resin production with the combo and more weight and Hilbie I think most of us know that Boost has something in it like molasses but on roids . Sorry Hazy Lady to drop in like this but this guy is being a dick . Thanks for the thread also and great job

HeeHee!, you have nothing to say sorry for Zoo dear, I am very glad you popped in, you just about summed up my grow perfectly, increased weight, resin and finish time - had I not harvested as one, the Boosts, Boost/Molasses were easy a week in front with no loss of anything I could detect, quite the opposite, they taste better every day, many thanks Zoo

Yes, I have a bottle sat here looking at me.

Hey zoo, good to see ya here, I thought you'd deserted us for the farmer!

Yeah, he's just being a dick, shame he has to do it in this thread, plenty of other threads where it would be more like the expected behaviour! lol

I must be higher than I thought I imagined your bottle had eyes
You're all so sweet defending the thread, and me personally here and there, it is cheering me up bunches

mixed crushed alfalfa pill w/ tween 20 few futures ago...

crushed 1-250mg pill in glass ashtray w/ tablespoon...
tween 20 is amber-tannish liquid. smells of detergent. slight bubbling action when agitated...

alright, after pulverizing pill, gently poured in equal amount polysorbate 20 (tween 20).
mixed, agitated, left to dissolve for 24hrs...

when mixed w/ tap water, slight suds, like detergent, that subside. similar to good fertilizer that has been shaken... while this product can generally be used as an emulgator, acetone, chloroform & other organic solvents - included polysorbate 80, etc. will dissolve the substance further...

in any event, after 24hrs, poured the mixture (tween 20+alfalfa pill) into 5 gal bucket of tap water.
agitated, stirred, mixed...

ph settled around 6.0-6.2... good enough...

applied to media... seemingly more reproductive glands & larger bracts - overday...

the tween 20 is to both dissolve the particulates & to disperse them, preferably evenly, thru out the solution... will get smaller particulates w/ stronger organic solvents, including benzene, etc...

most powders (eg, kelp powder) can be dissolved & dispersed in to solution in this manner. some solvents will dissolved & disperse better than others. really depends on the physical properties of the substance.

so...

equal parts powder/crystalline substance (1-tria) & polysorbate 20 should do trick... yes, heating the solution slightly will help dissolution... though not required w/ good mixing... want the particles to be freely suspended in the solution...

like shaking bottle of gh fnb... so all the compacted nutes can coagulate in the solution. want free particle disperment & small enough particle size to permeate foliage &/or root zone.

next, same solution get foliar sprayed - ph adjusted up to 7.0 w/ potassium silicate.

hope this helps. enjoy your garden!

Superb instructions *m* thanks again, I got my Tri' in so will start looking into this dissolving with you more soon *m*


:mona:

 

[habeeb]

I would like people to guess the "tropical rainforst plant" in bio-boost. I would not beleive it's alfalfa or soybeans.

not sure if I ever read this until now??? I beleive they just put this in not long ago " After years of field studies in the primary rainforests of South Asia, Africa and Middle America, among other places, and research in CannaResearch's laboratories, CANNA is very proud to introduce BioBOOST! "

 

[Hazy Lady]

OK last lot - sorry

OK last lot - sorry

Guy's, last one, I know it is a bit boring but I needed to catch up, I know its mostly thank-you's sorry - back to test stuff after this post.

u guys should try taking a spoon ful of this stuff yourselves a few times a week, great for the blood being so rich in iron, u might start craving it alittle.

Why do I hear "Who can make you hap-py?"

I was gifted three packets of An Carboload a while back. I've been using it as sugar in my co2 bottle as I think it's just Dextrose and molasses brings out flavours in my buds better. I just find it funny that the best use I have for Carboload is in a bottle of water with some yeast. Molasses rocks.

Haha, too funny Indi.

Hi ,
Is that right? My organic chemistry is pretty minimal (non-existent), but are these acids carbohydrates?

My chemistry is non-existent to, but according to what I read, Citric Acid and Ascorbic Acid are carbohydrates. I know you can use citric acid as an organic ph down.

My Triacontanol, cytokinin and other goodies arrived in the post this morning.

Good to see you're set to go crazy this year Indi Just by the by, and I could well be wrong/very high/both, but I don't think they are carbs per se, I may be wrong but think both citric and ascorbic acid are made from carbs rather than are carbs? I will check later on.

I got some alfalfa meal and made some tea yesterday, foliared it today. It smells... different.

This great news, did you follow *m* instructions from a few posts ago?, look forward to seeing how things progress, we must sort our new home, I will come back to that at the end. Thanks Badge, nice to see you are getting on so soon. Good luck with everything.

sprinkling 1/4 tsp of baking soda onto the top of the diy co2 may excite, then stabilize the diffusion of the gas...

pouring out & replacing (w/ fresh raw materials) 1/4-1/2 of the solution every week will also maintain the batch...

yes, molasses is used extensively to make rum...

even if dont consume diy c02 mix, adding raw potato & handfull of rice will keep starches/sugars, in solid form, in solution... for yeast to eat.

~1# of sugar weekly, for every gal of solution... keep warm, out of light & in front of/behind fan (on 'high') blowing over/under canopy... ideally, in 5 gal container, w/ hose manifold going over plants... or in thermoses, affixed to ceiling, so heaver c02 can fall down over plants...

they like c02 on underside of leaf too, so having lateral laminar air flow - between top of media & bottom of canopy - also+++. more stomata on underside of leaf than top...

this may be helpful:
unlimited cheap c02

youll like how the tween 20 makes the solution 'wetter' & breaks surface tension of the leaf/flowerws & permits permeation of the stomata...

nice to see a solution moving up the leaf & into the flowers... instead of rolling off the leaf & onto the floor.
surfacants+++! makes the solution 'stick' to the leaf surface.

will you use ea item individually, or mix them all together?

recall that effective tria application is ~1 microgram per liter... foliar sprayed 1-2 times... that's it.

accurate measuring device?

good fortunes!

enjoy your garden!

Just great stuff *m*, as always!

Mistress, may I say, your posts always give me precisely the info I need mixed with just enough real-world experience and practical advice that I try to absorb them all completely. Many thanks and keep it up!

At the moment I am using Doff Tomato Growth Accelerator spray on vegging plants and on plants placed into flower from day 1 until first buds appear, spraying every other day. Seems to be working good. No idea what's in this spray but it's organic and very highly regarded in tomato growing circles. I got 5 bottles for 9.99 a while back and have used half, when I have run out of it I will start making my own sprays. I think my initial recipe will be:

Seaweed Extract
Castille Soap (wetting agent, also has some phosphoric acid in it)
Cytokinin
Triacontanol
Polysorbate 20
Molasses

I might also add some L-aminos in the form of Minamino liquid from the fishing bait store.

I also bought a bottle of Plagron Phyt-Amin cos I saw it for 4 ukp on eBay and I have had great success with other Plagron products in the past.

I'm not sure what the exact ingredients of Phyt-Amin are, it's mostly seaweed I think and has Cytokinin. The Amin part of the name suggests either vitamins or aminos, probably aminos. I also picked up a bottle of superthrive cheap, so I could do a side-by-side where I spray some plants with Phyt-Amin and Superthrive and others with my DIY concoction.

About CO2, currently, I use a 2 litre clear plastic milk bottle half full of water, and I have never changed the water, I just add some yeast and sugar every day so there is always a froth on top. Reading your info, I think these alterations could be of benefit:

Change container to a lightproof one with a lid, connect a hose to the lid and run hose to top of cab so co2 is released at top of cab.

So you suggest adding rice and baking soda to the sugar and yeast? I've also read of adding fruit juice or fruit pieces.

My reasoning for placing my co2 bottle on the floor of the cab is that the open neck is then level with the medium and the open end of the cool tube at the other side of the cab draws the air and co2 across and upwards, there is a circulation fan at the opposite side of the cab to the bottle so i hoped I would get co2 swrling through my plants on it's way to the cool tube to be exhausted.

@ what rates?

how much grams/ml per liter/gallon?
what will you adjust ph to?

the soap+!
fwiw, little detergent, or baby oil works as well... to reduce surface tension. if dont
have an emulsifier.
light-proof & air tight+...
above plants so heavier co2+...

though can have mix in 5 gal bucket... w/ small computer fan attached to lid... blowing c02 into manifold... then stepped down to 1/8" regular air hose line... actually curled into plants onto stakes...

or...

simply placed in back of fans...

never tried only water & yeast... only fruit juices... or fruits themselves... from apples to grapefruits to oranges, etc...

the citrus fruits 'flip' quicker than thicker apple juice.
can be old, out-dated juice from discount general store...

posted entire method in past incarnation in link...

basically, for every gallon of juice, 1 pond of sugar, per week...

but... start w/ the mash... which is the inner-core/pulp of various fruit & amendments...
start w/ quart of juice, few apple core, grapefruit cores, raisins, potato sliced in half, handfull of rice... let sit for 1 week... then add cup of sugar...

5 gal of orange/grapefruit juice... 5 gal bucket w/ lid...

can either... 1) attach small 25-50 cfm fan to lid, make manifold out of pvc, etc... & end-cap... then insert tubes into manifold to dispers in garden...; or 2) place in front of intake for ac grille...; or 3) place behind oscillating fans, etc, etc...

after mash starts bubbling... & can taste sweetness disappearing... pour into 5 gal bucket... wrapped w/ emergency blanket to keep warm... grapefruit juice & orange juice are easier to taste 'sweet' or 'sour' than applejuice... but most any work.

let 5 gals turn for week... if keep mash in filter, will be easier to strain... but can let be free in solution... will float to top & bubble... this is c02...

can leave it @ that point & simply keep it warm & it will keep cooking... once done (7-14 days)... replace portion of solution w/ regular juice.

do not even have to use yeast, baking soda, etc... but, if sprinkled on top, lightly, will increase rate of activity... if not added, will just cook slower & steadier...

rice makes sake... potatoes make vodka... molasses makes rum, etc, etc... can make schnapps, etc, etc... or just dump it out. however... this same batch can be kept alive indefintely... w/ proper balance of fresh juice & sugar... batch will cook indefinitely too...

keep the mash when strained. this is the basis for the solution... can extract portion of mash, add to separate juice container & another batch starts... even if dump entire juice bucket... keep mash in container & add small amount of sugar wkly... this is the 'aged' beverage...

this is how there are original whiskeys, etc... from 1600's... in same old barrels...

if the air pressure & velocity is strong enough+++
especially if environment is closed/sealed...

but, ideally, want c02 to cascade down over plants & up too... to get to stomata that are more abundant on bottom of leaves... so, both top & bottom of leaves... however that can be done.

bubble counters (can diy those too) are nice too... they will count amount of c02 released into chamber... aquarium gardeners use these & make them too...

once 2-5 gal batch gets goin & is kept warm & sugar'd just right... will be lots of froth-emitting bubbles... smaller escape hole=better...

say, 1/2" vinyl hose, end-capped, hole-punched & 1/8" hoses inserted... those lines going to ea plant site... only requirement is air to push/pull gas thru line to plant... though it will get there by itself... the pressure in the bucket forces it out...why the hole is kept small... =greater internal bucket pressure - of c02 needing escape...

the process can be just as methodical & exacting as a nute regime... or as simple as juice & sugar in a bucket... depends on desires...

here is an excellent thread, on icmag, that may be helpful:
Kit Winemaking Tutorial
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=96640&highlight=wine

enjoy your garden!

Hmm, you have just inspired another diy project in my mind. I envisage a system involving a large thermos some tubing and a fan. I have all the parts, time to break out the hot melt glue gun, stanley knife and hacksaw, now where did I put that plastic funnel?

I shall return forthwith when I have cut a few fingers to shreds making my contraption!

I shall do some shopping for fruit and juice, I already have loads and loads of molasses, I like the idea of making rum, which gives me another idea - I shall make ganja rum!

Molasses brew from my co2 generation with ISO extracted hash oil added should make a rather delectable and deadly ganja rum methinks!

Great posts Indi & *m*, I enjoyed catching up reading those. Thank-you both.
It looks like a good number of us are serious and interested in future test based grows, it makes sense they should be kept together as more tests are completed etc, it is high time we sorted our permanent home out, do we just ask Gypsy?, paint a pic of what we are up to and leave it to the man?, he is always very easy to approach so I don't mind asking.
Just wondered what everyone thinks, only really mentioned it to M and ChaosCat' on here, I think most everyone else wants it though don't they/you?. Lets hear from you ( then I have something to misquote to our advantage )
Happy New Year everyone, the very best of health to you all, Hazy

 

[habeeb]

well, I jsut called a reverse engineering company

15,00-25,000 to see what's in the bio-boost !


so I guess it remains a secret still..

 

[Badgermonkey]

Tricontinal-ish-type thing

Tricontinal-ish-type thing

Actually, I put about half a cup of alfalfa meal into an old 4 cup coffeemaker, brewed that through then mixed it with filtered water until I had a gallon, then foliared about half of it over 12 hours, the rest smells the same, plus a kind of rotting smell like when there's not enough oxygen in the mix for too long, so i'm gonna add some air and toss it in with my 'waste-water' i put on houseplants. I did them all, so it won't be a head-to-head thing. I'm seeding my fav plants with a smelly shortish male (I too seek the holy grail er... green; a short bushy fast indi-style plant with the YOWZA of a sati). I'm told these are 6th gen, and there's such a great range of pheno's I want to do a gen or two to find my baby.



The mutant arm plant has amber tric's on the mutant branch top bud, should I make it a clone and reveg? It's only been on 12/12 for 24 days. Just one nice top nug, not really the kind of thing I want to perpetuate... maybe pollenate it? 24 days sure is fast, the lower buds were... really needing a flush. They have the power though (the power of Greyskull? lolz).

 

[Dislexus]

Ready-made Triacontanol spray

Ready-made Triacontanol spray

Now you dont have to bother with Polysorbate 20.. and Triffid is interesting but I dont want all that N.

Well here is the answer.. from the rose gardeners.. click on this link and scroll down to UltraBoost:

http://www.primaryproducts.com/files/catalog/fertilizersRW.htm

Yessssss... tria with no smella.

Should one even bother treating the rootspace with triacontanol? Industry applications seem to all be foliar.. But then people say alfalfa meal will put out tria one would supposed to the roots.. Someone in some article I googled mentioned tria prolonging veg stage after flipping to 12/12? Anybody have that problem before?

 

[jmansweed]

Hazy Lady - I've been reading through his thread for what seems like hours - it is simply incredible. Endless amounts of information here. Thanks for taking the time - that was a fantastic comparison test. I noticed you make a point of trying to address allot of members - thanks.....................

 

[dman16]

I thought i would plop this idea in here since it seems to be a plethora of all things boost. Has anyone tried using Canna Boost along side BioBoost? Im assuming the bioboost is using an alfalfa extract especially since they claim "cold press". From what i have gathered Canna Boost seems to have something additional to the bioboost if not an all together different make up. thoughts?

 

[spearzy]

hazylady,did you notice the cannaboost plants had more resin?,thats the main benefit id noticed when using cannaboost a lot more resin producition,and if the conditions are optimal slightly quicker to initiate flowering,i think its worth using for the increase of resin,anyone tested bloombastic?,spearzy.

 

[Hazy Lady]

Now you dont have to bother with Polysorbate 20.. and Triffid is interesting but I dont want all that N.

Well here is the answer.. from the rose gardeners.. click on this link and scroll down to UltraBoost:

http://www.primaryproducts.com/files/catalog/fertilizersRW.htm

Yessssss... tria with no smella.

Should one even bother treating the rootspace with triacontanol? Industry applications seem to all be foliar.. But then people say alfalfa meal will put out tria one would supposed to the roots.. Someone in some article I googled mentioned tria prolonging veg stage after flipping to 12/12? Anybody have that problem before?

Thank-you Dislexus, interesting reading and a lady too
I am with you, I believe foliar is the way to apply, I am close to starting my Triacontanol tests now (touch wood!) and will be using a spray, no root applications.
The best results I found (non MJ crops) used a foliar feed of around 10/18 ppm and only 2 applications - gotta start somewhere and it seems as good a place as any!
I haven't seen any mention of prolonging veg stage but will add it to my list of notes, thanks again for posting.

Hazy Lady - I've been reading through his thread for what seems like hours - it is simply incredible. Endless amounts of information here. Thanks for taking the time - that was a fantastic comparison test. I noticed you make a point of trying to address allot of members - thanks.....................

Hi jman, thank-you very much
It's only fair to address and thank everyone, the regulars in the thread posted all the great info you mention, they made it really worthwhile doing, we have some great debates in the thread and a ton of other products were looked at by the regulars as you've seen. I am pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks again j.

I thought i would plop this idea in here since it seems to be a plethora of all things boost. Has anyone tried using Canna Boost along side BioBoost? Im assuming the bioboost is using an alfalfa extract especially since they claim "cold press". From what i have gathered Canna Boost seems to have something additional to the bioboost if not an all together different make up. thoughts?

Hello dman, nice to see you, I don't recall any comparisons, *mistress* posted some excellent info regarding alfalfa/triacontanol that may help you?, from *m*'s info it could very well be alfalfa extract in the Bio version, well in both Boosts actually, I think we mostly agreed that the 'booster' is Triacontanol and alfalfa is a great natural source of it.
Canna will only say Boost is some 'tropical' plant extracts? is there a tropical alfalfa
I am certain it helps - Canna Boost - but it is getting far too expensive to justify the outlay, I am hopeful of finding a substitute boost using Triacontanol and giving Canna the boost, sorry the boot!.
Thanks for posting d.

hazylady,did you notice the cannaboost plants had more resin?,thats the main benefit id noticed when using cannaboost a lot more resin producition,and if the conditions are optimal slightly quicker to initiate flowering,i think its worth using for the increase of resin,anyone tested bloombastic?,spearzy.

Yes, I did spearzy, Hi
I am certain that Boost increased the amount of resin and the quality, plants using both Boost and molasses had the strongest scents, and no doubt had improved taste.
I did see resin on leaves of Boost and Boost & Molasses where none or very little was present on the control and the non Boost plants.
I would have said I was just producing better plants having dialed them in but for the control and none Boosts results.
I wanted to run a side by side in an attempt to determine the better boost product, however the Canna Boost is near £70 per litre now with similar prices for some rival products and it's just too much of a pi$$ take now!

I think my time will be better spent finding a cheaper alternative instead, and then drop all brands of bloom booster from the shopping list
forever. Thanks for posting

 

[Scrogerman]

Nice to see this thread still ticking along Hazy, i may actually get around to trying a DIY boost just now. I can get the CBoostA for £49 P/L, still bloody silly expensive at that price but beats most around. PM me if you want the supplier, not that you do, once you make HazysSuperBud Boost & give me the recipe we can both save a few quid hehe!
I used Nitrozyme for the first time this year, wicked stuff, stuff like that doesnt usually impress me but this did. That i think has Tria too. Small bottle goes a long way.
All the best Hazy & long may the thread & information live on!

 

[everton mo]

I,ll come back to this thread when i learn some more,fasicinating as always hazy lady,im using blackstrap on this grow for 1st time...i,ll be picking ur brains matey...

hello by the way....

 

[Mud Man]

i get that exact brand of molasses sent to me.. I works a charm, i have noticed a major improvement in health and vigor..>>cool thread

 

[Hazy Lady]

Hey Scroggs, I am almost back to my old self now, it's always nice to see you buddy, sadly I will need to buy 1 more litre of Boost for the side to side so I will PM you for the addy, 11 quid is still a huge saving S'. You know me, spread the word!, you'll be the first to get the recipe brother

Hello Mo, what a nice surprise to see you over here. I always have time for you buddy, you know how to find me

Hiya Muddy, thanks for dropping by, seems everyone loves a little sugar

 

[spearzy]

i agree the price is beyond a rip off i use a small bottle on each grow just to increase the resin conent but it doesnt go far at all and still costs me about 22 pounds,id love to know where i can get it for 49 pounds for a litre would make it worth while for me to buy a litre,also i think i read somewhere that house and garden do a product that is exactly like cannaboost,and cheaper,anyone know anythingcheers spearzy.