Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.

[*mistress*]

I can't think of anything plastic hose is better than silicon hose for (Mistress probably could 8p).

?...lost *mistress* here... please explain.

It doesn't make sense that the tricomes would be water soluble, but I would foliar, they'd get fuzzy I was all WEWT I'm gonna keep spraying that! A week later, less tricomes... I'm a newb, I dunno wtf is going on, but I'm determined!

?... here too.
is this a foliar feeding issue/question/report?

ps where the hell do you get 1ml syringes?

all syringes should have 1ml dosage mark...

1ml (milliliter)=1cc (cubic centimeter)=1/5 teaspoon (5ml)

if water, should=1g... heavier if solution.

Hazy Lady... hope all is well.

enjoy your garden!

 

[Badgermonkey]

All the other "mistress/dom/goddesses I know can come up with very imaginative uses for latex, plastic hose, etc.

This 'Boost vs Molasses' thread led to a discussion about foliar feeding boost and/or molasses to save money on boost, which I do - and I wondered if anyone else noticed disappearing tricomes when doing so - of all my posts, this one seems to be in the right place 8p!

Your 'here too' had me hopeful you had experienced this as well, but I'm getting that you continue with the lostness.

Hazy posted she gets 1ml syringes, I have a 6ml (.2ml markings), and a 50ml (1ml markings), but have never even seen one that small (which means it must be marked in VERY tiny increments). This could come in handy for stuff like Superthrive, which recommends one DROP per gallon.

You give some really great info mistress, and all this is in the above posts, which you seem to read thoroughly - which makes me think you're just busting my balls 8p.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[*mistress*]

This 'Boost vs Molasses' thread led to a discussion about foliar feeding boost and/or molasses to save money on boost, which I do - and I wondered if anyone else noticed disappearing tricomes when doing so - of all my posts, this one seems to be in the right place 8p!

The most consistent and effective results for in vivo and in vitro laboratory studies as well as field experiments were obtained by applying the colloidal dispersion of TRIA to vigorous plants at concentrations of 0.1 to 1.0 ug/L.

1 gram=1000 milligrams=1 mL or cc
1000 micrograms=1 uL (microliter)
1 milligram/Liter=1 ppm (part per million)
1 microgram/Liter=1 ppb (part per billion)


tria does possess some caveats... 1 being that the application rate is very, very small. larger doses than those listed ^ have generally resulted in adverse effects...

also, are you using a surfacant to apply the bo*st? what is the ph of your foliar?

what is the recommendation for foliar on the bottle?

Alfalfa Meal
Dehydrated alfalfa meal is a source of triacontanol, a natural plant growth stimulator.

enjoy your garden!

 

[Ganja baba]

hi guys are we talking about spraying boost on flowering plants ?

hello mistriss , have you found much difference in how the plants take up nutes from foliar feeding , as regards to ph .

i sprayed with 3.6 and 8.4 and not noticed a difference when using dutch masters foliartec , and the wetting agent penitraor .

i was thinking it would be like acid rain lol but was fine

 

[Badgermonkey]

Foliar Boosting

Foliar Boosting

?...lost *mistress* here... please explain.
?... here too.
is this a foliar feeding issue/question/report?
all syringes should have 1ml dosage mark...

1ml (milliliter)=1cc (cubic centimeter)=1/5 teaspoon (5ml)

if water, should=1g... heavier if solution.

Hazy Lady... hope all is well.

enjoy your garden!

1 gram=1000 milligrams=1 mL or cc
1000 micrograms=1 uL (microliter)
1 milligram/Liter=1 ppm (part per million)
1 microgram/Liter=1 ppb (part per billion)


tria does possess some caveats... 1 being that the application rate is very, very small. larger doses than those listed ^ have generally resulted in adverse effects...

also, are you using a surfacant to apply the bo*st? what is the ph of your foliar?

I've been using Coco-Wet, tried some penetrator, sticking with the coco-wet:

http://www.spray-n-growgardening.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CCW&top=19

The pH of the foliar is ~6

what is the recommendation for foliar on the bottle?

"CANNABOOST Accelerator can be given manually, through drip irrigation or foliar spray." - quote from back of bottle.

Foliar is recommended for Boost *the instructions say better results can be obtained by doubling dosage, 8-16ml/gallon.

 

[Ganja baba]

1 gram=1000 milligrams=1 mL or cc
1000 micrograms=1 uL (microliter)
1 milligram/Liter=1 ppm (part per million)
1 microgram/Liter=1 ppb (part per billion)


tria does possess some caveats... 1 being that the application rate is very, very small. larger doses than those listed ^ have generally resulted in adverse effects...

also, are you using a surfacant to apply the bo*st? what is the ph of your foliar?

I've been using Coco-Wet, tried some penetrator, sticking with the coco-wet:

http://www.spray-n-growgardening.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CCW&top=19

The pH of the foliar is ~6

what is the recommendation for foliar on the bottle?

"CANNABOOST Accelerator can be given manually, through drip irrigation or foliar spray." - quote from back of bottle.

Foliar is recommended for Boost *the instructions say better results can be obtained by doubling dosage, 8-16ml/gallon.

surly we cant spray canna boost excel on flowering plants can we , or do they mean till you get buds at the start of flowering . i double dose in through my drippers in peak flower then tail of with white sugar then water , molasis through flower

 

[indifferent]

I've also found that ph of foliar doesn't seem to matter. PH is important in your rootzone because roots can only take up elements within a certain ph range, their ision-cation exchange and other fancy chemical shit going on down there and the ph matters for the reactions to happen. When they are absorbing it through their cell walls directly, like in foliar, I guess it's less important.

I use DM Foliartech too but didn't get the Penetrator as I have never used anything to increase uptake when spraying before other than some aloe vera juice or ecover washing up liquid as a wetting agent and I don't see the need to, plants visually responding to spraying so it must be working I suppose.

I love humic/fuvic acid, never found a source of the stuff cheap in the UK so I've used a few of the commercial humic/fulvic products, they all work, some better than others. The GHE Diamond Nectar is okay, but not as good as others, chempak liquid worm humus works as good as Diamond Nectar for a third the price and if you're growing in soil you already have humates in there so this is good enough, but for hydro and coco, you want the best humic/fulvic you can find. I've been using Grotek for a while, it's liquefied leonardite, whether they just dissolved powdered leonardite in water I don't know, it might just be fulvic acid dissolved in water and the source of the fulvic acid was originally leonardite?

I've just switched to a different fulvic product - DM MAX Flower after reading about it and then a friend recommended it as the best additive he'd used. It's a humic/fulvic product with added phosphites, hence the NPK of 0.114-2-3. I love fulvic acid and you can't overdose the plants with it, the more the merrier, and it really does increase nute uptake, I find I can push my ec higher with it than without it, so that means more nutes get into the plant and that means more buds, if you are feeding a high PK bloom booster product, fulvic acid is an essential additive.

I'm wondering if I can add the MAX to my foliar spray? currently I spray daily from day 1 to formation of the first buds with garlic, neem, seaweed, foliartech, molasses and superthrive. I'm definitely seeing an increase in growth, which may well be the triacontanol and other stuff in superthrive. The foliartech is more to stimulate the onset of flowering than boost growth I think, not sure, someone gave me a bottle to try out.

Hey ganjababa, interesting you use white sugar, why is that? I use molasses, love the stuff. I love my buds well flushed so on a typical 12 week sat dom I will stop N at week 8, just give PK for week 9, then just molasses for week 10, then 11 and 12 just water. I know you do a lot of sat doms, what's your flush regime? I know it works, having tasted some delectable kalischnapple I was told came from ya.

 

[habeeb]

bioag = really good fulvic ( ful-power)
tera vita = really good humic ( sp-90 )

 

[Badgermonkey]

yup, I do foliar buds - some things are safe to apply up to the day of harvest.

 

[indifferent]

bioag = really good fulvic ( ful-power)
tera vita = really good humic ( sp-90 )

Not seen those for sale in the UK, what's the full name of those products?

yup, I do foliar buds - some things are safe to apply up to the day of harvest.

What is in the foliar spray you are using? What benefits are you getting?

 

[*mistress*]

I've also found that ph of foliar doesn't seem to matter.

there is not much on these boards on this... but there is a lot to this topic...most foliar feeds do best ~7.0+, but lots of factors involved... including breaking surface tension of leaf surface, & chelating mineral applied...

Where possible, the pH of a foliar spray should be between 6.2 to 7.0. To promote young plant growth a sweeter (alkaline) solution (pH 7.0) is recommended. For established growth, a more sour (acid) solution (pH 6.2) is recommended.

Solution pH – pH mainly affect the solubility level of several elements such as phosphorus, which improves its solubility as pH decreases. pH may affect the ionic form of the elements and this may affect the penetration rate as well.

the ph of the foliar feed affects which mobile elements get thru, etc... surfacants are also important...

enjoy your garden!

 

[Ganja baba]

yup, I do foliar buds - some things are safe to apply up to the day of harvest.

there is no way i am spraying any thing on my flowering buds , def not before harvest , and by choice . any resadue will make for a lesser taste , rot , and all sorts of probs can happen .

each to there own and all ., just my 50p ... there are many organic things you can spray on the buds that are safe , but it dont mean they wont taste of the organic stuff . no ?

is it worth doing for you , i am interested , should never just shun a technique with out finding out more ...

 

[Badgermonkey]

Not seen those for sale in the UK, what's the full name of those products?



What is in the foliar spray you are using? What benefits are you getting?

Almost anything you can feed plants, you can foliar feed plants.

I use filtered water (~60ppm), unadjusted pH is ~6.5 (virtually all my nutes are acidic, so I typically leave it to the nutes to bring the pH down).

I always add 'Coco-Wet', an inexpensive all-natural, non-ionic sufactant (1/2 tspn *2.5ml* per gallon, 8oz for $6.99 - compare to DM Penatrator 2oz PER LTR mix, $29.99/1ltr!)
*This is to keep the solution on the leaves longer.

Maybe I should do a head-to-head comparison on these 8) !

I also use 'Spray-n-Grow', from the same company as Coco-Wet foliar once a week, not sure if I should start it now (second week since flipping to 12/12; or wait until after flowers show). I'm not a huge fan of giving males expensive nutes to die on, but they recommend it for the full life of the plant.
*This is an active micro-nutrient additive

My sprayer connects to different bottles, and I have 3 or so Foxfarm ltr bottles that I keep different foliars in. Typical mixes are:

Regular nute mix, at 1/3 dilution
*Great for sick plants, healthy plants like it too!

Canna Boost 4ml/ltr + Snow Storm Ultra 1ml/ltr
*fuller, denser fruit; ever notice on a cold dawn how plants (and your windshield) are covered in a fine, glistening frost? That's what Snow Storm Ultra claims to do for your plants - maximize tricomes)

Spray-n-Grow 10ml/ltr
*faster, more lush growth, denser, more flavorful fruit, shown to increase strawberry yield by 150% (manufacturer's claim, using strawberries with/without in side-by-side comparison)

Earthjuice MicroBlast 1ml/ltr
*very good micro-nute blend

*all mixes also have 1ml of Coco-Wet, or 2oz of Penetrator/ltr

Some benefits of foliar feeding are:

Quicker delivery of stuff to plants
More efficient - goes directly in plant rather than into substrate, into roots, into plant, apply less for same results.

Some drawbacks are:

Messy - the spray gets all over yer room - one reason I don't want to foliar molasses - flies love that stuff!
Lights - I don't want a cool mist hitting my uber-hot $100 bulbs - I have Cool-tubes around mine so I foliar from lights on to about 2 hours before lights off, buds or no buds
*my RH is <45% - a good foliar feed causes a spike in humidity, but due to proper ventilation it's not problematic.

[I've read that micro-droplets of water hitting the bulb can cause microscopic holes that leak evil *gamma rays or some shit; I don't believe it, as any droplets THAT tiny I think would be vaporized by the intense heat, and if water vapor, or water small enough to be suspended in air for any amount of time could damage the bulb, they would be recommended for <5% humidity environments eh?]

*I stole 'Gamma Rays' from The Fantastic 4; I really have no idea wtf would leak from a compromised HPS bulb

Check out my 'Nutes n Additives' album for pics - see for yourself what $389 worth of Canna nutes looks like! See why I think its worth it (because I'm a noob and can't make good cheap nutes myself yet, and this is easy:

5 gallon res, Canna A+B @ 15ml/gal each

Shake well, loosen the cap, squeeze the bottle - the overflow for the measuring cup is at 25ml, so there's not really any measuring, just squeeze it until the cup is full, relax, pour into res 3x DONE!
Cannazym only takes 10ml, so do 2 squeezes instead of 3 DONE!
Rhizotonic is 2ml, so I have to look at the thing and squeeze it up to the 10ml mark DONE!
Boost I foliar, PK 13/14 I squeeze into the cup until its a bit under the line that goes under CANNA on the front of the measuring cup (the bottom of that line is 6ml, the top 7ml, I'm shooting for 5ml as this isn't a recommended dose, but the plants seem to like a little extra PK and happy girls are always more fun than sad girls.
Canna says use 6ml PK/gal during the Gen 2*

The life cycle according to Canna:

Start root formation, duration ~1 week
Grow[
Vegetative stage - 1-3 weeks (fast growth)


Bloom:

Generative Stage 1 - Growth stagnates, first signs of flowers appear 1-2 weeks
Generative Stage 2 - small fruits develop, ~1 week
Generative Stage 3 - Increase in size ~2-3 weeks
Generative Stage 4 - Fruits increase in size and ripen ~1-2 weeks

 

[*mistress*]

there is no way i am spraying any thing on my flowering buds , def not before harvest , and by choice . any resadue will make for a lesser taste , rot , and all sorts of probs can happen .

each to there own and all ., just my 50p ... there are many organic things you can spray on the buds that are safe , but it dont mean they wont taste of the organic stuff . no ?

is it worth doing for you , i am interested , should never just shun a technique with out finding out more ...

ideally, any foilar spray should be followed up, same day, or next day, w/ ph-balanced water. to rinse any residual build up... surfacants & stickers & spreaders & smaller droplet size & spraying undersides of leaves - all increase absorption & decrease residues...

if foliar feed nothing else, they get floralicious bloom ~weekly. up until wk 6... bottle instructions for foliar feed (1-2 tsp/gal)... 1/4 tsp quart/1liter.

thick & molasses-like, is easily washed away w/ water & h202 @ 15ml/quart/1 liter...

enjoy your garden!

 

[cosmicnights]

I just read the rumor about super-grow.biz is or could be owned by the US DEA. I have ordered from Michael 4 times over the last year and a half and no one has shown up at my door. I also have been a member of the Yahoo PlantScience newsgroup that was started by Super-Grow.biz. The individuals that makeup the newsgroup are hardcore gardeners from all over the world, Korea, Japan, US, Canada, Philippines, just to name a few. ... Very very rarely (only twice I know of) was MMJ ever discussed but one can get great information on Super-Grow's products by seeing what other users of his product are using it for and ..GA3, BA6, Fulvic and Humic Acids...etc..

I'm just saying that rumors can really hurt a person's business... I have every intention of continuing to order his products..

 

[cosmicnights]

I have ordered from Michael (super-grow.biz) 4 times in the last year, year and a half... He has good products at very reasonable prices. OH, no one has shown up at my door...lol

He also has a yahoo newsgroup called PlantScience which customers worldwide post their experience with his products and just kick around information with other members. Only twice that I can recall has MMJ been a subject and very little discussion followed.. The members normally discuss plants that I have never heard of ....many discuss vegetable plants and different foliage from around the world... I've had to discover the usuage of GA3 and BA6 on my own, i.e. just plain ole experimental.

 

[knowhere]

" cosmicnights
New Member

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2 "

LOOKS LIKE DEA TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE WHERE MAYBE THEY SHOULD NOT

 

[indifferent]

I just ordered from super-grow so if I disappear, you might be right! lol

There are a few products I like the look of and wondered if anyone has used them:

Triacontanol from super-grow.biz, I also bought some polysorbate-20 to be able to make a solution of it, this stuff supposedly increase growth when sprayed in veg and early flower.

Cytokinin, also from super-grow

AN Colossal Budblast - someone gave me a bottle last year, I just found it

Harpin - been getting some rave reviews from trade growers of flowers as a promoter of growth and branching

Phosphite - PO3, rather then the PO4 form which is phosphate, supposed to be more available to the plant and to have anti-disease and anti-pest properties. Become very popular in the pro horti world, I have found a spray called 'Uncle Tom's Rose Tonic that is 100% soluble phosphite and an NPK of 0:28:26, the pro horti trade are raving about this stuff as a bloom booster and flower size enhancer.

I really like the sounds of this recipe from dcyan's pages:

Quote:
For those that foliar feed not sure if you've all heard of this. But locating the stuff is half the fun! LOL lol

The Fearless Gardener

"Rocket Fuel"

Start with 1 Litre of water at room temperature with a PH at 6.3 in a misting bottle.

1. 5ml Growth Plus (Nitrozyme). Growth Plus is the main ingredient and the best kept secret in the industry. It is a very concentrated solution of natural growth hormones with cytokinin being the main one. (Responsible for cell division, size and quality). This product is dynamite just on its' own.

2. 4ml Supernatural Vitamin BI-Thrive. Contains the highest quality vitamin B1 combined with Allantoin (Natural Cell Proliferant) which enables cell division at lower energy levels while taking care of the general maintenance of the plant. Vitamin B1-Thrive will also guard against shock and stress during growth and transplanting.

3. 16 drops Hyper Oxygen. Hyper Oxygen is a 36% food grade Hydrogen Peroxide to remove any chlorine and increase the level of oxygen availability in water, improving nutrient uptake, and effective use in plants. Also destroys harmful bacteria and viruses.

4. 36 drops of Agri-2. Agri-2 is an extremely effective wetting agent ensuring plant tissue penetration, especially when misting plants with waxy or hairy leaves. Also contains an anti-foaming agent.

5. 20ml Fish Agra. A unique blend of hydrolyzed whole fish and plant protein extracts. It is then highly polished and screened through a #80 mesh to assure hassle-free spraying or drip applications. Fish Agra will feed your plants with a healthy supply of macronutrients, biostimulants and (N-P-K) rich in fresh whole Atlantic Ocean fish.

6. 30ml Earth Food. Earth Food is a 2 part product, first being a catalyst altered water, changing the structure of molecules in water. Your water will now form attractions with free electrons, helping better serve water's role as a transportation, cleansing and absorption mechanism within your plants circulatory system. Second, it contains activated Carbon, Amino Acid, organic trace minerals and other desirable ingredients obtained from Lignite (the fossil remains of plants grown 50 million years ago).

7. 15ml Earth Juice Escential Spray. Contains soaps, oils and juices all formulated from plants such as Wild Quinoa Bran, Hot Peppers, Eucalyptus, Rosemary, Lavender, Patchouli, Tea Tree, Orange Oil and Lemon Grass. In different parts of the world, these plants have been known for centuries for their ability to repel insects. When combined these pure ingredients give you an extremely effective insect repellent in a plant friendly spray. This product is truly an essential spray.

NOTE A: The above mix is then lightly misted covering the whole plant every 2 - 3 weeks and no more than once a week during active growth. Foliage feed before 11:00 a.m. Or after 4:00 p.m. It is important to note that University studies show foliage feeding to be about 10 times more efficient then dry fertilizers. Nutrients are immediately made available to the plant.

NOTE B: To use the above as watering solution dilute 3 to 4 times.

NOTE C: Only mix up enough to be used within 24 hours. Also, 5ml is equal to 1 teaspoon.

NOTE D: All of the above products are of the highest quality and at the same concentration as manufactured. Altering the above recipe is at your own risk.

Remember - More is not always better!
I can't obtain all of those ingredients in the UK, but I can put this lot together:

1. Seaweed Extract + Cytokinin - basically homemade Nitrozyme
2. Superthrive - it has vitamin b1
3. Growth Technology Hydrogen Peroxide - I have a bottle of this
4. Ecover liquid detergent - made from Aloe Vera, works as wetting agent
5. Grandma Enggy's Fish Stew - I already have a bottle, it's 2-3-3
6. Grotek Liquid Humic - not that similar, but might work
7. Can't think of an alternative to this

Do you think my list of substitutions will do the job?

Frequency of spraying is one thing I am mystified by, I read once every 2-3 weeks, is this enough? To me, that would mean spraying when i put the plants into flower then once again 2-3 weeks later. Seems like not a lot of feeding?

 

[*mistress*]

tria is best dissovled in acetone or chloroform...

those are a lot of components for 1 solution... how can you evluate ea constituent?
or, how they will react w/ ea other?

enjoy your garden!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Oh dear oh dear what have I done, I came to post my final bits but think I better post this first, I was joking about the DEA, it was just a throw away gag, I had no idea it would cause all this fuss, I would feel very bad if it got anyone a bad name, I am amazed no one said she is a bit of a nut, maybe shes kidding though, nothing came up in any searches!
I am not trying to make light of this, I feel bad but I honestly never expected anyone to take it serious, all I can say is I am sorry if anyone from Supergrow.org is angry with me and anyone here of course I apoligise if I caused any grief.

Typically this happens when I could not get on here or I would have nipped it in the bud - no pun intended - I had some treatment and injections that rendered me unable to use my arms this last week so could not type. Again I am sorry, it wasn't intended

I will post the final part of the side by as soon as I finish the new posts, won't be long.