Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.

[Hazy Lady]

Question for bonecarver

Question for bonecarver

Hi B, I was posting just now and have been thinking about Molasses amounts in general and wondered?, the Panella you use, can you say how much you find is ideal, is there any way you could compare the amount to Molasses to say if you use more or less the 1 teaspoon per US Gallon usual recommended , I know it is comparing totally separate things. ( I like to do that ) I suppose what I am asking is - Do you think 1 teaspoon of Molasses per 5 lts is too little?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?, if you use any sugar products, what sort of amounts are you using?, thanks everyone.

Here is a pretty picture of one of my favourite plants, you can see it's real FIRE

 

[Texicannibus]

Im currently using 1 tablespoon per gallon of organic molasses

 

[Hazy Lady]

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[*mistress*]

Hi B, I was posting just now and have been thinking about Molasses amounts in general and wondered?, the Panella you use, can you say how much you find is ideal, is there any way you could compare the amount to Molasses to say if you use more or less the 1 teaspoon per US Gallon usual recommended , I know it is comparing totally separate things. ( I like to do that ) I suppose what I am asking is - Do you think 1 teaspoon of Molasses per 5 lts is too little?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?, if you use any sugar products, what sort of amounts are you using?, thanks everyone.

use 1 tablespoon per gal wholesome sweeteners. 1 tablespoon per gallon feed molasses (profile for feed molasses in same thread...)

calculating npk/nutrient profile
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2624449&postcount=17:
wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

*vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

*sugars: 10g

*total carbohydrates: 14g

Molasses ~ When & Why ?
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2593572&postcount=198:
Organic Crystallized Sugars
Organic Dark Brown Sugar
Dark brown sugar with rich molasses tones and color; increased moisture retention and nutritional values

Natural Crystallized Sugars
Evaporated Cane Juice
From the first crystallization of cane juice; more molasses than conventional sugar; blond color

Porous Granulated Sugars--Dehydrated Cane Juice
Natural Sucanat®
Natural, free-flowing whole cane brown sugar; dissolves instantly; compressible; blended

Fair Trade Certified Organic Sucanat®
Minimally processed whole cane sugar with a distinct molasses flavor; compressible; low moisture

*Organic Sucanat®*
Free flowing whole cane brown sugar; compressible; instantly soluble; blended
*edit*
though dry molasses is available, in horticultural form, this is closest they have readily available in markets. has 13% molasses.

Organic Liquids, Inverts & Compounds
Organic Cane Juice Crystal Compound
Organic Evaporated Cane Juice and Organic Invert

Organic Cane Syrup Medium Invert
Easy-to-handle alternative to granulated sugars; liquefied from Organic Evaporated Cane Juice; eliminates the need to dissolve granulated sugars; sweet cane flavor; longer shelf life than non-invert liquids

Organic Lite Molasses, Barbados Style
Made from certified organic sugar cane; a dark syrup;
mild flavor and aroma of premium molasses; unsulfured

Organic Liquid ECJ (Organic Liquid Sugar)
An easy-to-handle alternative to granulated sugars; saves time and money

Organic Blue Agave
Blue Agave nectar; unrefined syrup with a low glycemic index; 25% sweeter than sugar; dissolves quickly; non-crystallizing; no additives.

Organic Blackstrap Molasses (Unpasteurized)
Made from organically certified sugar cane; unsulfured;
highly nutritious; full flavored

Organic Blackstrap Molasses (Pasteurized)
Made near the end of the sugar-making process; flavor and
nutrients are concentrated; full-flavored

&...

bonecarver og may be able to answer specific panela q's...
panela is similar to evaporated/dehydrated cane syrup... below may be helpful...

http://www.wholesomesweeteners.com/faqContent.html:

Q: What is the difference between Sucanat and other cane sugars, such as Organic Sugar, Brown Sugar and Turbinado?
A: To begin, all of ... sugars are made from sugar cane. Cane is crushed within hours of harvesting to extract the juice, water is added, the syrup is clarified (with slaked lime, per USDA Organic standards), then concentrated through heat and dehydrated to make Sucanat or crystallized to produce Evaporated Cane Juice (--Turbinado is an evaporated cane juice).
Sucanat (DEHYDRATED cane juice) is produced from a pure cane sugar juice, which naturally contains about 13% molasses and 87% sugar. Through dehydration and aeration (hand-paddling, actually), a granular, dry, free-flowing brown sugar is produced which contains all of the molasses inherent in cane juice. It is a source of iron, calcium, potassium, B vitamins and chromium. Nothing is added and nothing is removed.

... other sugars (Fair Trade Organic Sugar, Organic Turbinado, Fair Trade Organic Light and Dark Brown Sugars and Powdered Sugar, as well as Fair Trade natural Cane Sugar and Fair Trade Raw Cane Sugar) are all made from EVAPORATED cane juice and are produced by evaporation then crystallization. The juice is spun in a turbine which separates some but not all of the molasses from the sugar crystals. The brown tones of the evaporated cane sugars are entirely influenced by the relative amount of molasses in each crystal. Some sugars, such as the Organic Sugar, are much lighter in color and flavor and better for more sensitive applications where a strong molasses flavor is undesirable. On the other hand, Turbinado has a higher molasses content--more molasses flavor and a darker, richer color. As compared to the 13% of molasses present in Sucanat, Evaporated Cane Juice sugars has a range of 0.2%-2% molasses.

The difference in our Evaporated Cane Juice products is in crystal size and molasses content. Turbinado (also called Demerara-style or Raw sugar) is a large, golden crunchy crystal, while the powdered sugar is a finely ground Evaporated Cane Juice sugar with 3% organic corn starch added to prevent caking). The Organic Sugar is a one-for-one replacement for refined white sugar and the brown sugars are both organic sugar with varying influences of molasses.

Q: What is "raw" or "Turbinado" sugar?

A: Wholesome Sweeteners Organic "Raw" or "Turbinado" sugar is made through a very direct process. Never bleached and minimally processed, raw or Turbinado sugar is made quickly from cane juice extracted from cane within just hours of harvest. Water is added and the liquid is heated, then filtered through slaked lime (the only filtering agent allowed by the USDA for organic certification). Once filtered, the cane juice is spun in a turbine (hence the name) to create large crystals and naturally settle some of the molasses from the sucrose The end result is Turbinado, that crunchy golden crystal we so love on baked goods and in beverages. Because is it so minimally processed it is called also called "raw' or "unrefined."Turbinado is also known in Europe as "Demerara," so named for the Demerara River in Guyana where it was first made.

hope this helps.

enjoy your garden!

 

[jackiee]

5ml molasses per gall + 5ml pk13/14 or 5ml boost i always use 2 out of the three and ive just cut my best crop ever stay lucky

 

[StrictlyGateway]

Hi SG ,
I imagine giving the plant something essential it otherwise has to manufacture, would help in two ways, firstly topping up the plants stores so when all other conditions for fast growth are in place it can get right on it, and secondly, by the plant not having to produce all its own building blocks it can concentrate more effort on the actual 'cell dividing' process of growing, resulting in larger fruits/buds etc. Hows that sound?

Sounds like the direction i was headed....

regarding the issue of how much to add. I don't intend to sound like a smart ass or overly critical...i would always use more of a 'natural' or 'organic' ingredient like molasses than a chemie one such as boost. i use 20ml/US gallon of a 'mostly' molasses product. sounds like many folks are using 15ml, so maybe a teaspoon per liter...maybe a shade less? i do think that the teaspoon per gallon is very conservative and coulod be boosted (pardon the pun)

incidentally, how far out are you on these pretty ladies?

 

[StrictlyGateway]

hmmmm...sounds like the teaspoon/gal works for jackiee though....looks like we've collectively figured out your next controlled experiment

 

[grow nerd]

I've seen lots of molasses-based threads and it seemed to me that most people were confused on whether it's teaspoon (tsp.) or tablespoon (tbsp.). I've seen "tsp" and "tbsp" used almost interchangeably, but I know that can't be right and that the original message was misunderstood and relayed that way for a long time.

Seems to me tablespoon by seeing most posts / responses in this thread, but even in this very thread there is confusion. So which is it, teaspoon (~5mL) or tablespoon (~15mL) per gallon? There's a pretty big difference. (My feeling is it's tablespoon.)

 

[Expat]

I vote for tablespoon.

 

[Milwaukee]

I use to use Botanicare sweet but I'm much happier using molasses now.

 

[Hazy Lady]

Hey Tex

Hey Tex

Im currently using 1 tablespoon per gallon of organic molasses

Hi Tex', can you tell us?, if you have used a while, any improvements you noticed?
I am assuming you use a US gallon, so 1 tablespoon per US gallon, is that correct?
Thank-you for joining in

 

[Hazy Lady]

use 1 tablespoon per gal wholesome sweeteners. 1 tablespoon per gallon feed molasses (profile for feed molasses in same thread...)

&...

bonecarver og may be able to answer specific panela q's...
panela is similar to evaporated/dehydrated cane syrup... below may be helpful...

http://www.wholesomesweeteners.com/faqContent.html:



hope this helps.

enjoy your garden!

*mistress*, always such detailed posts, I can't thank you enough for all the time you have put in over here, simply great reference material, you're an angel
EDIT, Damn!, I made the self same mistake, I meant Tablespoon *m*, the question should be, 'do people think a TABLEspoon is too little in almost 5 lts water?'. Excuse me everyone.

5ml molasses per gall + 5ml pk13/14 or 5ml boost i always use 2 out of the three and ive just cut my best crop ever stay lucky

Hello jackiee , long time ish! no see, I am starting to think that all three together hold the key, but in what ratio?.
Well done on your latest crop thats always great to hear.

Sounds like the direction i was headed....

regarding the issue of how much to add. I don't intend to sound like a smart ass or overly critical...i would always use more of a 'natural' or 'organic' ingredient like molasses than a chemie one such as boost. i use 20ml/US gallon of a 'mostly' molasses product. sounds like many folks are using 15ml, so maybe a teaspoon per liter...maybe a shade less? i do think that the teaspoon per gallon is very conservative and coulod be boosted (pardon the pun)

incidentally, how far out are you on these pretty ladies?

Hey SG, glad your back, I am glad it sounds feasable at least!.
I do believe I have to be at least a little light due to the UK = US gallon differences but also think they could go a little more up to around 2 tablespoons (30mg) per UK gallon -/+ 5 Lts.
The girls are 48 days into 12/12, I will post 49 day pics tomorrow, they are getting their skates on now . I think the pics will show some obvious differences from the new pics on. Thanks again SG

I've seen lots of molasses-based threads and it seemed to me that most people were confused on whether it's teaspoon (tsp.) or tablespoon (tbsp.). I've seen "tsp" and "tbsp" used almost interchangeably, but I know that can't be right and that the original message was misunderstood and relayed that way for a long time.

Seems to me tablespoon by seeing most posts / responses in this thread, but even in this very thread there is confusion. So which is it, teaspoon (~5mL) or tablespoon (~15mL) per gallon? There's a pretty big difference. (My feeling is it's tablespoon.)

Thank-you grow nerd, yes I too believe we may have got a little confused on some measurements, Like you I believe it is a TABLEspoon/15ml/15gm, however it needs adjusting as I have said, to allow for the US - UK gallons being different amounts. Thanks again.

EDIT I am sorry, I made the same error, I meant TABLEspoon in my posts above *mistress*, I have used TABLEspoons all the grow but just lost it a minute.

I vote for tablespoon.

Thanks Expat, I am with you, Tablespoon!, but as I said this needs adjusting for UK measurements at least, for an even equivalent dose.

I use to use Botanicare sweet but I'm much happier using molasses now.

Hiya Milwaukee, Can you tell us what you think the improvements are, as well as the huge price difference of course.
Glad you have joined us.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

hehe

panela is crystalized cane juice . its less processed than any of the ones above

here is a link to the very crude process of elaborating it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqbTZ0unEc

i use about 5g per 100 liters. this stuff is very concentrated. a 500g block lasts me about a year.

panela has 5 times more minerals than brown sugar and 50 times more than white sugar.

"Panela contiene 5 veces más minerales que el azúcar moreno y 50 veces más minerales que el azúcar blanco"

 

[Texicannibus]

Hi Tex', can you tell us?, if you have used a while, any improvements you noticed?
I am assuming you use a US gallon, so 1 tablespoon per US gallon, is that correct?
Thank-you for joining in

I am relatively new to growing little over a year now and I spend a majority of my free time researching ways to improve my methods. I read the thread about molasses and the number of people praising its use convinced me to give it a go. So I have only been using it for about the last 6 weeks.

It seemed to be quite helpful on the two plants I gave it to during flowering Im noticing less apparent benefit in veg phase. I am currently looking for a mother and growing out a multitude of strains atm i have 6 running. Once I get a mother I can do a bit of testing to make the differences more evident to myself.

I remember reading somewhere that the dose of molasses being light or heavy should relate directly to root development. If I remember correctly the assertion was that if you have a small pot and big plant use a large dose. If you have a big pot with a small/medium plant use a smaller dose. The basic gist of it was that the molasses will help break down the soil and if roots arent living in that part of the root zone then its not benefiting the plant.

Mostly I was just lurking this thread with my limited experience not sure there is alot I can add to the discussion. Thanks for the warm welcome though looking forward to seeing the results.

 

[Texicannibus]

lol ... yes US gallon sorry for the rambling

 

[StrictlyGateway]

Hey Hazy Lady...There is a great thread on here talking about why molasses. many people say they are using 1tsp/gal (US presumably, but not sure). then others say 1tbl, so it seems like an age old question as to how much.

regarding molasses contributing to yield, hoosierdaddy posted that molasses acts as a chelating agent, allowing the plants to absorb nutrients in the root zone a lot more effectively...i would think that's where we would see the increased yields.

with that...i will sit back and watch. once again, great work!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Thanks bonecarver

Thanks bonecarver

hehe

panela is crystalized cane juice . its less processed than any of the ones above

here is a link to the very crude process of elaborating it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqbTZ0unEc

i use about 5g per 100 liters. this stuff is very concentrated. a 500g block lasts me about a year.

panela has 5 times more minerals than brown sugar and 50 times more than white sugar.

"Panela contiene 5 veces más minerales que el azúcar moreno y 50 veces más minerales que el azúcar blanco"

Cristo Jesús! , those are terrible conditions to have to work B', interesting film, poor sods!.
B', don't you think this is very very similar to the Unrefined Molasses sugar I was going on about a few pages ago? wait! I'll post it again

I don't recall the nutritional info, I don't have it to hand but I do know it was around 92g of Carbs in every 100g of the sugar with the full range of nutrients found in treacle Molasses. It does taste the same as the jar version, bit crunchier perhaps . Thanks as always Bones.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

as you can see in the picture you posted above, in the brown sugar a lot of molasses is filtered out. its going to have higher sugar to mineral content.

it seems to me the most of the natural ingredients are in the completely unprocessed. panela is not processed in any way panela is very hard and does not melt in water it needs to get boiled down. takes about 3-4minutes to disolve in boiling water

im not saying panela is better or anything such - im only saying its the less processed form of "sugar".

and its tasty too it has a caramel like flavour from the burnt sugars its great on icecream or in lemonade hehe and why not - in a mojito also

peace

 

[Hazy Lady]

Thanks Tex

Thanks Tex

I am relatively new to growing little over a year now and I spend a majority of my free time researching ways to improve my methods. I read the thread about molasses and the number of people praising its use convinced me to give it a go. So I have only been using it for about the last 6 weeks.

It seemed to be quite helpful on the two plants I gave it to during flowering Im noticing less apparent benefit in veg phase. I am currently looking for a mother and growing out a multitude of strains atm i have 6 running. Once I get a mother I can do a bit of testing to make the differences more evident to myself.

I remember reading somewhere that the dose of molasses being light or heavy should relate directly to root development. If I remember correctly the assertion was that if you have a small pot and big plant use a large dose. If you have a big pot with a small/medium plant use a smaller dose. The basic gist of it was that the molasses will help break down the soil and if roots arent living in that part of the root zone then its not benefiting the plant.

Mostly I was just lurking this thread with my limited experience not sure there is alot I can add to the discussion. Thanks for the warm welcome though looking forward to seeing the results.

Hi again Tex, don't ever worry about rambling
Thank-you for your answer, you're the type of grower we need in the fold, you obviously want to improve your grow but not go blindly, I like your attitude.
I have found a touch of Molasses during the veg cycle makes my plants really glow with health, actually too much made them go so dark and shiny it was unnatural, if you ran any of your plants before you started using Molasses and you're running them this grow with it, let us know if you found improvements in the plant and the product, glad you're staying around, you are very welcome Tex

 

[Hazy Lady]

Hey SG

Hey SG

Hey Hazy Lady...There is a great thread on here talking about why molasses. many people say they are using 1tsp/gal (US presumably, but not sure). then others say 1tbl, so it seems like an age old question as to how much.

regarding molasses contributing to yield, hoosierdaddy posted that molasses acts as a chelating agent, allowing the plants to absorb nutrients in the root zone a lot more effectively...i would think that's where we would see the increased yields.

with that...i will sit back and watch. once again, great work!

Hi SG, I agree that is how it gets into the plant for sure, but what happens once inside is still a mystery, not so much the overall effect but the reason we have the effect, find that and we can really dial in the other factors to make the most of this booster, haha I have to find another word to say boost it is too close to Boost, you know what I mean.
I am certain it should be TABLEspoon, and TEAspoon is a mistake, however, I am of the belief it is not enough!, not enough in UK gallons and still a little light for good growth, I think to have Canna Boost-like result takes more than 1 Tablespoon full.