Grojak
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Looks like if anything he F2'd Serious Seeds, the huge colas are why I would say that.
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Looks like if anything he F2'd Serious Seeds, the huge colas are why I would say that.
Croissant
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That's all just speculation though.
To be honest it sounds like the people he claims to have gotten the line from were not even exactly sure what it was. It was just a line they had been growing for a generation or two from seed or so the story goes.
To be honest a lot of stories of the lineages of various lines are legends we don't really know the truth.
Like online for a while it was accepted that ogkush was herojuana crossed to lemon Thai or some bullshit.
People fib or use semantics to brand their seed all time in this business to anchor online trends that create a demand to their product.
If you look at monks history he put a lot of work into some other lines but they didn't sell well because he didn't have brand power behind them while the lines with brand power did. This being the case it makes his story of the line more believable and would explain the branding.
Brother monk doesn't live in California and at the time years back he was doing preservation work with deep chunk and working his own lines. He was competing with people in California with access to clone banks to produce seed from. Some of them like rez did some actual breeding but a lot of them just basically had access, like millions of Californians do, to clone banks but acted like they had 9 inch Dicks online and the masses just lined up to get bent over for $100+ a pack.
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bigbadbiddy
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That's a shame.
But from what I could gather, you are in good company weird.
It seems to me that the few people who ever did hold an actual bubblegum tasting and smelling pheno did let it go at some point or another.
From what I read around the interwebz I would assume it's because Bubblegum never was the most potent strain or with the best kind of high etc.
Would assume that most people kept it for a while for the flavor and aromas but let it go eventually because they found more potent, better yielding etc. stuff.
It is a shame as we are now at a point where new people cannot seem to reliably find that Bubblegum taste and smell.
But that's the way of the genetic pool I suppose.
Croissant
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Bidnaddiddy, that s not true. BG phenos were common they were available in clone banks in Cali in the early 2000s.
What happened is sourd, ogkush, bubbakush, GDP, afgoo, and green crack became household brand names and held a higher market value.
People jumped on board the wave of $ and rode the gravy train. And because they could make at least 30% more with these strains didn't keep the older strains. When GDP sells for 4000/lb and BG for 3000/lb and GDP yields more over time people grow and promote GDP. That is what happened.
The same thing with the introduction of indica in the 80s. Then when people online began talking about the good old Sativa's. Guys like reeferman came to the rescue but he knew most people didn't want to grow 18+ week Sativa's. So he created hybrids which was probably a lot of work then fibbed they were pure Sativa's so as to capture the market with branding. Brother monk is probably doing something like this. It is out of fear that the work they do which may take tons of time and effort will be passed over. It took a a lot of time and old timers trying these hybrids and saying "no this ain't like the old school Sativa's" for people to accept they were going to have to wait 14+ weeks and more like 18+ weeks for the real deal old school. To this day you can't find anything that takes longer than sourd to flower in a California dispensary. But the amount of time it took for 18+ weeks Sativa's to become marketable again saw that most of the old lines have vanished.
What happened is sourd, ogkush, bubbakush, GDP, afgoo, and green crack became household brand names and held a higher market value.
People jumped on board the wave of $ and rode the gravy train. And because they could make at least 30% more with these strains didn't keep the older strains. When GDP sells for 4000/lb and BG for 3000/lb and GDP yields more over time people grow and promote GDP. That is what happened.
The same thing with the introduction of indica in the 80s. Then when people online began talking about the good old Sativa's. Guys like reeferman came to the rescue but he knew most people didn't want to grow 18+ week Sativa's. So he created hybrids which was probably a lot of work then fibbed they were pure Sativa's so as to capture the market with branding. Brother monk is probably doing something like this. It is out of fear that the work they do which may take tons of time and effort will be passed over. It took a a lot of time and old timers trying these hybrids and saying "no this ain't like the old school Sativa's" for people to accept they were going to have to wait 14+ weeks and more like 18+ weeks for the real deal old school. To this day you can't find anything that takes longer than sourd to flower in a California dispensary. But the amount of time it took for 18+ weeks Sativa's to become marketable again saw that most of the old lines have vanished.
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bigbadbiddy
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Maybe I worded it poorly but that is more or less what I meant.
Bubblegum was exceptional in its taste and smell.
When people got bored of it or were no longer as excited about it, other strains took over because they had stronger effects, better yields or plain old better marketing etc.
My assumption anyway.
I more or less wrote Bubblegum off as I don't have access to clones but would be very excited to hear about a Bubblegum in seed form that produces the actual flavor, aroma, taste.
Would be all over that but in the current state of affairs (or 1 year ago when I researched more), I just don't believe it is reliably out there and I have other strains to focus on.
The taste and smell was what interested me the most about Bubblegum and until someone has a seed line that reliably produces that, I wont bother with the strain.
Bubblegum was exceptional in its taste and smell.
When people got bored of it or were no longer as excited about it, other strains took over because they had stronger effects, better yields or plain old better marketing etc.
My assumption anyway.
I more or less wrote Bubblegum off as I don't have access to clones but would be very excited to hear about a Bubblegum in seed form that produces the actual flavor, aroma, taste.
Would be all over that but in the current state of affairs (or 1 year ago when I researched more), I just don't believe it is reliably out there and I have other strains to focus on.
The taste and smell was what interested me the most about Bubblegum and until someone has a seed line that reliably produces that, I wont bother with the strain.
two points I would like to touch on.
It is actually stronger than people give it credit for, but not a dynamic or complex buzz. Comparatively (to what I had at the time) it is a very average indica buzz.
Not to discredit this gem. As a cultivar it is amazing, one of my favorite plants to grow. JJ NYC's Guava and Corey Haim stardawg cuts are very similar as far as cultivar consistency and hardiness. It is also an amazing offering for the emerging market. When grown properly it is strong enough to put novice smokers down and will satisfy heavy smokers, but not if they try to smoke on it day after day, this is one of the characteristics it lacks for me at least (very important to me, since that is one of my predicates of true elite) Bag appeal and taste are off the charts.
Wish I never let her go, when I see her around I will grab her just to have her around.
I came online in 08 because someone suggested I connect to the cannabis subculture because they felt I had something to offer. Their stature an opinion mattered.
I had never paid for genes and had created my own very competitive game and stable in NYC area selling very successfully to the same hands working the uptown haze in the area. I didn't want for a thing genetics wise but I was awfully lonely.
This plant was my closest friend and all those pictures I have are simply celebrations of them and the people who shared them with me. To be honest I don't feel that any of my work is highest potential, I still feel I miss the mark. That is simply how much I believe in the potential of this plant.
When it comes to this community I have been more than blessed I have really fell into a beyond the wildest dreams part of the trip. I never expected that my world would open the way it did or that I would be blessed in the manner than I have been. Many, many good people over the years have shared their best with me in every facet of the word.
It is still very surreal. With that said I have been wanting to give back to the online community (I am pretty active in helping others irl) and owe a promise or two (run some testers).
I have an insanely thick seed catalog that extends decades and many rare, lost and/or highly desired strains and time is ticking and I am literally YEARS behind my time lines. Stock is losing vitality and I am sleeping on it all.
Only takes a winner or two and some pollen to get something on the server fund so hopefully I can get some focus and drive and get it done.
Grojak
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LOL don't get me started on breeding practices... few work strains anymore. The modern method I call the TGA model, is to take clones that gain attention through magazines and forums and hit them with whatever and put out the beans as F1's with little to no testing. It's why I make my own or collect from well known growers who freely trade beans. If I'm going to grow someones untested f1's at least they can be free
I know TGA aint the only (not by far) just was the one I discovered this practice with first (probably cause he was biggest at the time).
Grojak
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I see a lot of bad about bubblegum and I just wish people would include WHO'S bubblegum because I get tired of defending bubblegum. Your weak indica buzzed Brand X bubblegum (Im assuming TH Seeds but don't wanna assume) in no way compares to my sativa 18% thc serious bubblegum buzz.
Weird you're right about the sativa's and to that point the Serious Seeds goes for 11-14 weeks in my experience so I'm sure all the markets are littered with the less impressive indica version (Nirvana, TH Seeds). I've never had BogBubble (its on my to do list) but I hear its an amazing bubblegum and quick finisher.
I do highly encourage anyone who wants bubblegum to try the Serious, I love it so much I had to F2 it for preservation sake.
Croissant
Member
That's a good point grojak. That is the problem with the branding though because the lime is based off of the clone. That is why I appreciate the way BOG branded his. It takes into on the amount of work they do distinguishing it from the clone and others offerenings.
Idk who's BG I tried but Ive had it multiple times from different cuts and it was always just about the same. I'm assuming it was an indica variation by my experiences. My favorite was the by bbleberry cross out of sagarmatha. I always felt sativa crosses would greatly improve the line, so I like the way simon at serious seeds thinks
@weird
It sounds like your finding a calling from your seed vault. Maybe revive the what's in your seed stash thread with a list.. I'd be interested to hear what you got in your vault and where you are heading with that train of thought in your last post.
Idk who's BG I tried but Ive had it multiple times from different cuts and it was always just about the same. I'm assuming it was an indica variation by my experiences. My favorite was the by bbleberry cross out of sagarmatha. I always felt sativa crosses would greatly improve the line, so I like the way simon at serious seeds thinks
@weird
It sounds like your finding a calling from your seed vault. Maybe revive the what's in your seed stash thread with a list.. I'd be interested to hear what you got in your vault and where you are heading with that train of thought in your last post.
man i love me some bubblegum... its one of those holy grail plants in my weed histroy..
first got aquatinted in the late 90/early 00s with a light green bud with almost yellow hues and pink hairs that reeked of absolute bazooka joe bubblegum, unmistakeable. it was amazing, we had good strains around at the time, white widow, trainwreck, ak47, blueberry, ect.. but this was next level..
after only having her that one time, i was amazed to find the bubblegum cookies in the bay area that was DEAD on bubblegum smell... thats a special clone imo..
acouple crosses out recently that havent been mentioned are archives IBG x Face off og, and cannaventures IBG x Bear OG... i went with the ladder andd crossed it Cookie frost, Dosidos, Royal Kush, Catpiss haze, and catpiss og... cant wait to start digging through those...
first got aquatinted in the late 90/early 00s with a light green bud with almost yellow hues and pink hairs that reeked of absolute bazooka joe bubblegum, unmistakeable. it was amazing, we had good strains around at the time, white widow, trainwreck, ak47, blueberry, ect.. but this was next level..
after only having her that one time, i was amazed to find the bubblegum cookies in the bay area that was DEAD on bubblegum smell... thats a special clone imo..
acouple crosses out recently that havent been mentioned are archives IBG x Face off og, and cannaventures IBG x Bear OG... i went with the ladder andd crossed it Cookie frost, Dosidos, Royal Kush, Catpiss haze, and catpiss og... cant wait to start digging through those...
G
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I am searching after the Bubblegum in a couple of hybrid crosses made by DTOG.
He used a male from Chromes Pink Bazooka.
Here are a couple of links about how Chrome arrived at his version:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=139417
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=104058
I have a GSC forum and GG#4 crossed to Pink Bazooka. They are a little more than a month in. I haven't run either strain in its original form, nor have I run a Bubblegum so I'm unsure if they lean a particular way. But they look and smell like they're gonna be something interesting.
Here is a link to some pics in my album:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=67848
peace,
He used a male from Chromes Pink Bazooka.
Here are a couple of links about how Chrome arrived at his version:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=139417
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=104058
I have a GSC forum and GG#4 crossed to Pink Bazooka. They are a little more than a month in. I haven't run either strain in its original form, nor have I run a Bubblegum so I'm unsure if they lean a particular way. But they look and smell like they're gonna be something interesting.
Here is a link to some pics in my album:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=67848
peace,
slipdefeu
Active member
Had a clone for a long time called bubblegum hydrotechnik from schwitzerland, aka bubble Slard, not so strong but a nice bubble smell/taste the first weeks of cure, then it start to disapear slowely...
A friend was obsessed to find indiana's one, he got it two times from different sources and they were not the same, both no bubble flavour
Lot of fakes in the game
Slard one was better, light but nice effect with some smily face.
A friend was obsessed to find indiana's one, he got it two times from different sources and they were not the same, both no bubble flavour
Lot of fakes in the game
Slard one was better, light but nice effect with some smily face.
Grojak
Active member
it was bugging me so I found the article I had read, by G.B.I. This gives at least 1 man's opinion (Simon of Serious)
http://www.seriousseeds.com/grow-bubblegum
There are several strains out in the world of cannabis genetics whose origin and further breeding process seem to be unclear. Growers get especially confused, when a certain strain is offered under the same name by two or more seed banks: who has the original one, whose are copies? Bubble Gum is such one contentious strain, of which at least two seed banks do offer their own versions, in this case Serious Seeds and T.H. Seeds (both residing in Amsterdam), not to mention all those internet-based criminal copy cats here.
So I decided to trace back the real roots of Bubble Gum. Asking both the above-mentioned breeders resulted in two corresponding versions of the Bubble Gum`s breeding story, giving good reasons for the existence of two high-quality Bubble Gum strains: The original material was developed by a grower in Indiana (USA) during the 80ies. In 1993, this guy gave three very different female Bubble Gum plants to Adam from T.H. Sees as well as to Simon and Tony (the two splitted up shortly after, with Simon founding Serious Seeds and Tony Sagarmatha Seeds) from Cerebral Seeds. So Bubble Gum arrived in the Netherlands in the hands of three breeders. And from that moment on, different new chapters were written in the breeding history of Bubble Gum, its development kind of branched out. Three breeders – three ways of breeding: These seed meisters were going to make their own special selection out of the three different genetic types they had received. Simon reports: “As far as I know, T.H. Seeds did work further with another of those 3 plants than I did”. That`s the reason why Adam (T.H. Seeds` BG will be another story…) considers his Bubble Gum as “mostly indica”, whereas Simon puts his version into the “Mostly Sativa” category. He focused his research on two of the three lines, finally deciding for one type that should become his Bubble Gum seed strain. It took Simon five generations to end up in the desired breeding result, officially registering it then as “Bubble Gum”. He says that it is not possible to give exact sativa/indica percentages, but reveals that the genetic background of Bubble Gum consists of three different exotic sativas, amongst them Mexican and Columbian, and an Afghani indica. It is remarkable that Bubble Gum is the only inbred strain (no F1 hybrid) in the Serious menu, thus being especially uniform. Upon being asked about special considerations to Bubble Gum, Simon explained: “The bubble gum shows a remarkable uniformity in plants grown from seeds. It is a strong and beautiful plant which grows a heavy stem, you never need to tie heavy buds up.
The initial stages of seedlings can be tender, and you have to take care a bit for them in that stage. It is important to not let them be overgrown by neighbouring plants which may grow faster at first. Once when about 2 weeks old, the Bubble Gums will start to pick up speed and grow as fast as other plants.” This delay in growth can be explained by the fact that the BG is an inbred strain and therefore does not have that hybrid vigour effect (faster and stronger growth) of F1 hybrids.
http://www.seriousseeds.com/grow-bubblegum
There are several strains out in the world of cannabis genetics whose origin and further breeding process seem to be unclear. Growers get especially confused, when a certain strain is offered under the same name by two or more seed banks: who has the original one, whose are copies? Bubble Gum is such one contentious strain, of which at least two seed banks do offer their own versions, in this case Serious Seeds and T.H. Seeds (both residing in Amsterdam), not to mention all those internet-based criminal copy cats here.
So I decided to trace back the real roots of Bubble Gum. Asking both the above-mentioned breeders resulted in two corresponding versions of the Bubble Gum`s breeding story, giving good reasons for the existence of two high-quality Bubble Gum strains: The original material was developed by a grower in Indiana (USA) during the 80ies. In 1993, this guy gave three very different female Bubble Gum plants to Adam from T.H. Sees as well as to Simon and Tony (the two splitted up shortly after, with Simon founding Serious Seeds and Tony Sagarmatha Seeds) from Cerebral Seeds. So Bubble Gum arrived in the Netherlands in the hands of three breeders. And from that moment on, different new chapters were written in the breeding history of Bubble Gum, its development kind of branched out. Three breeders – three ways of breeding: These seed meisters were going to make their own special selection out of the three different genetic types they had received. Simon reports: “As far as I know, T.H. Seeds did work further with another of those 3 plants than I did”. That`s the reason why Adam (T.H. Seeds` BG will be another story…) considers his Bubble Gum as “mostly indica”, whereas Simon puts his version into the “Mostly Sativa” category. He focused his research on two of the three lines, finally deciding for one type that should become his Bubble Gum seed strain. It took Simon five generations to end up in the desired breeding result, officially registering it then as “Bubble Gum”. He says that it is not possible to give exact sativa/indica percentages, but reveals that the genetic background of Bubble Gum consists of three different exotic sativas, amongst them Mexican and Columbian, and an Afghani indica. It is remarkable that Bubble Gum is the only inbred strain (no F1 hybrid) in the Serious menu, thus being especially uniform. Upon being asked about special considerations to Bubble Gum, Simon explained: “The bubble gum shows a remarkable uniformity in plants grown from seeds. It is a strong and beautiful plant which grows a heavy stem, you never need to tie heavy buds up.
The initial stages of seedlings can be tender, and you have to take care a bit for them in that stage. It is important to not let them be overgrown by neighbouring plants which may grow faster at first. Once when about 2 weeks old, the Bubble Gums will start to pick up speed and grow as fast as other plants.” This delay in growth can be explained by the fact that the BG is an inbred strain and therefore does not have that hybrid vigour effect (faster and stronger growth) of F1 hybrids.
Grojak
Active member
And here is apparently where that info came from, a high times magizine
http://www.thseeds.com/bubblegum-story/
http://www.thseeds.com/bubblegum-story/
Grojak
Active member
Now let me ask, why would you try any bubblegum but those 3 (Sagamartha, TH Seeds or Serious) knowing the above knowledge? I didn't research before getting my Serious Bubblegum but I've wanted it since the 90's and had grown / seen AK and White Rhino from Serious already so I knew he was good.
I do understand Bogs is real nice but other than him I'd stick to one of those 3.
I do understand Bogs is real nice but other than him I'd stick to one of those 3.
Grojak
Active member
I have some Bubblegum F2's, Chemdawg x Bubblegum, Dynamite (grapefruit bx'd) x Bubblegum, Bubblegum, at least the strain I used, has dominated. GSC leaf turn almost black and nuggs are small rocks, so you'll know if you have a GSC leaner.
I'm sure you can find bubblegum plants in BOG's gear in a large selection but my experience on first released bogbubble , end of stock bogbubble b4 his hiatus, and his new stock resulted in no bubblegum flavors. Just a average dank mj smell that had a good-great potency. But I know popping seeds is the luck of the draw.Hope everyone looking, finds that/those bubblegum flavors. I'm taking a shot at ssh(bubblegum pheno) x god bud. I'll make some f2's an search through those. Happy hunting.
