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Can we discuss bubblegum?
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Dioni
Has anyone had at Mosca's NEW Pink Bubblegum I have seen a few places?
bigbadbiddy
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Serious and TH are both no longer the right place to look for Bubblegum.
TH scrapped their regular seed lines alltogether and Bubblegum is barely available as not feminized anymore.
Even before that move it no longer had the reputation of being a "good" Bubblegum representative. Find a report within the last 5 years saying they find actual Bubblegum flavors and odors in TH seeds gear. I couldn't.
Same goes for Serious. Find a report from the last 5 or so years. I couldn't.
All I found was people saying they popped 2, 3 or more packs and didn't find anything noteworthy that didn't hermy on the flipside.
Pair that with Serious being known for not preserving their strains, lying about ingredients and still asking the same price as true premium genetics in the market and I couldn't bring myself to by from them. Maybe you see that differently though.
From what I understand, the best way to get actual Bubblegum flavors and odors is either to go through a few packs of B.O.G. gear or get a bunch of packs of White Label DoubleGum or Nirvana Bubblicious and go pheno hunting, popping 50 or so seeds.
That or obtaining a cut from someone.
Everything else seems like a dice roll.
You could invest in 1 pack of Serious Bubblegum, run a high chance of finding nothing but average generic herb and hermies or you could, for the same price, run 4 packs of Nirvana Bubblicious and have a much higher chance of actually finding a Bubblegum pheno.
Since B.O.G. is regarded here and elsewhere as the king of Bubblegum and his Bubblegum gear comes from White Label DoubleGum, I think it is fair to say that going with Serious, TH or other high priced Bubblegum genetics is no longer the way forward.
I wouldn't at least.
TH scrapped their regular seed lines alltogether and Bubblegum is barely available as not feminized anymore.
Even before that move it no longer had the reputation of being a "good" Bubblegum representative. Find a report within the last 5 years saying they find actual Bubblegum flavors and odors in TH seeds gear. I couldn't.
Same goes for Serious. Find a report from the last 5 or so years. I couldn't.
All I found was people saying they popped 2, 3 or more packs and didn't find anything noteworthy that didn't hermy on the flipside.
Pair that with Serious being known for not preserving their strains, lying about ingredients and still asking the same price as true premium genetics in the market and I couldn't bring myself to by from them. Maybe you see that differently though.
From what I understand, the best way to get actual Bubblegum flavors and odors is either to go through a few packs of B.O.G. gear or get a bunch of packs of White Label DoubleGum or Nirvana Bubblicious and go pheno hunting, popping 50 or so seeds.
That or obtaining a cut from someone.
Everything else seems like a dice roll.
You could invest in 1 pack of Serious Bubblegum, run a high chance of finding nothing but average generic herb and hermies or you could, for the same price, run 4 packs of Nirvana Bubblicious and have a much higher chance of actually finding a Bubblegum pheno.
Since B.O.G. is regarded here and elsewhere as the king of Bubblegum and his Bubblegum gear comes from White Label DoubleGum, I think it is fair to say that going with Serious, TH or other high priced Bubblegum genetics is no longer the way forward.
I wouldn't at least.
Croissant
Member
A few years back mosca was one of the most respected members the n the forum before he was. Breeder. When he claimed something was legit like his keeper doubledutch cut other people would verify how good it was at icmag cups and all that. I don't know why he is no longer at icmag but when he was his reputation was stellar. If he claims to a have a pink BG pheno he uses to seed up as a mother plant I believe him.
Way back BOG was like the tutor or whatever to everyone on overgrow. It was cool and bubblegum was his favorite strain he went on and on about it. He put a lot of work into isolating the pheno. Appearently he is still using the same parent plants so the pheno shows up regularly.
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Croissant
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I am not exactly sure. I remember him finding the pheno in some white label doublegum the he worked a line to isolate that pheno. That line he named Bog bubble.
If you want it get it now an preserve it. BOG is old and who knows how long he will keep at this game?
I grew 2 packs of doublegum in 2003/4 and they were uniform in 2 phenos, the petit indica I kept was full on bubblegum, the high spot on the mark and finished in under 55 days..Grew 2 packs 3 -4 years ago and got one that was quite bubblegummy as said, but not the same plant I had but I'm hoping for someone or bog to make something available! I'm still glad I ran those latest doublegums, I found one female I spoke of with bright pink hairs that wants to go at least 90 days and yields stupid good yields and has a high that I struggle to finish a smoke, that hits me between the eyes, og strong, but it just is missing that lazy component in the high/stone and I just want to get stuff done after blazing her and no anxiety at all. The taste of that gal is indescribable too, not bubblegummy at all but topshelf?! Great thread all, keep it coming and yeah...what happened to TonyGreen?
have you got any pics?
Unfortunately no pics..I'm not growing right now due to circumstance so I don't know when I can get some..I've handed out cuts of the sativa girl as outdoor she is something else, really, so I'll try see if any mates have one flowering.. I've got an old pic or two of early flower of the old whitelabel 2003 one, but they are deep in archives and I'll have to dig/mount drives to find it so I'll put it up when I manage to find em. No fireworks though, I can remember the pics, early flower, lovely resin production and petit, in hydro. Not like the indiana cut though, that looks like the beast to have..
Another thing on that sativa I kept, not for the bubblegum name at all as said, she was the runt of the pack..I struggled to keep her alive her whole short life from seed, the others took off and she just struggled in a beautiful environment until one day I walked in and she just wilted off and had died...so I took the top off her and made a cutting as I hadn't even sexed the plants yet and struesbob that cutting rooted and survived. Now what blew me away was that the plant that came out of that cut is unkillable, the toughest sativa out. I took a plant in 5L hydroton as an experiment and left it without water..this plant just does not water stress, it takes a month for her to wilt and fall over. She starts flowering late at week 4 of flower and makes spears which just keep on going for a 4x stretch, which just link up all the nuggets, then foxtails, then fattens like a skunk so it looks like bunches of grapes on spears, with bright lumo pink hairs and an old school flavour that is really difficult to put ones finger on. She looks amazing in a bag and and smells through it and is top top shelf. Its amazing what one finds where one is not looking for it, but yeah..enough on her till I get some pics as this thread is about the bubblegum and she is far from it in her qualities, except the high, only much stronger.
Another thing on that sativa I kept, not for the bubblegum name at all as said, she was the runt of the pack..I struggled to keep her alive her whole short life from seed, the others took off and she just struggled in a beautiful environment until one day I walked in and she just wilted off and had died...so I took the top off her and made a cutting as I hadn't even sexed the plants yet and struesbob that cutting rooted and survived. Now what blew me away was that the plant that came out of that cut is unkillable, the toughest sativa out. I took a plant in 5L hydroton as an experiment and left it without water..this plant just does not water stress, it takes a month for her to wilt and fall over. She starts flowering late at week 4 of flower and makes spears which just keep on going for a 4x stretch, which just link up all the nuggets, then foxtails, then fattens like a skunk so it looks like bunches of grapes on spears, with bright lumo pink hairs and an old school flavour that is really difficult to put ones finger on. She looks amazing in a bag and and smells through it and is top top shelf. Its amazing what one finds where one is not looking for it, but yeah..enough on her till I get some pics as this thread is about the bubblegum and she is far from it in her qualities, except the high, only much stronger.
This is the only pic I have of the Amsterdam Bubblegum F2 I got from Jaws. It is the green plant.
JAWS
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Dioni
Thanks sir...Yes i have grown many mosca's with excellent results, His new line is bred with a pink line i know nothing about.... His "new" pink bubblegum is his Indiana cut by Pink # 16 whatever that is. If anyone has a bit of info great, if not i just picked up 2 packs and let you all know what comes of them.
nice .. I saw those on a seed vendor site too. but mosca isn't on the forums anymore which makes me wary of buying his seeds. especially given the high prices.
Rumour has it he is sicker then a dog
or Dead already but who cares really ..bubblegum shit grew that stuff years ago , with Greatwhite shark friesland , Northernlights etc etc.. its a ok strain nothin special mid grade strain
Croissant
Member
I don't think the true potential of bubblegum has really been reached and i think it is in crosses to Sativa's.
I remember paradice seeds revealing their ice cream line was a bubblegum x white widow. That one had a big following for a while.
Bubbleberry back in the day was fantastic sag really nailed that one.
Then what bog crossed it to northern lights. Then basically pursued some kind of bubbakush hybrid seed line.
People are thinking of crossing it to ogkush or glue.
Go another direction folks... Sativa's .
There are a few sativa Dom elite clones that are popular in Cali I think it would improve but also long er flowering lines too. Bubblegum brings permagrin happy but lacks clarity and focus. Breed it to something that has clarity and focus like some of those cannabiogen colombian heirlooms. Or Sam's haze hybrids or even a good cut of fruity juice or some c99/JackH derivative.
Honestly the lack of creativity in the world of cannabis breeding astounds me. People are mostly just chasing $ and are blinded by fads. Think long term ppl. This shit will be legal one day is all we want to be left with supermarket hybrids? The prices will go down significantly and ppl won't be able to rationalize they are saving money buying the most potent weed then build up a tolerance so they can talk down to ppl who can't afford to keep a tolerance that high. Then it will be about nuance.
If reading thaiblisses "search for trip weed" thread taught me anything it is preserve the jewels from the past because sometimes you don't realize what younhave until it is gone.
So if people want bubblegum great find it and preserve it! You may think you are improving it with some cross but likely you are just are part of a passing fad. Preserve it so when you or we realize the error we can start fresh without having to go all the way back to landraces that are gone anyway.
I remember paradice seeds revealing their ice cream line was a bubblegum x white widow. That one had a big following for a while.
Bubbleberry back in the day was fantastic sag really nailed that one.
Then what bog crossed it to northern lights. Then basically pursued some kind of bubbakush hybrid seed line.
People are thinking of crossing it to ogkush or glue.
Go another direction folks... Sativa's .
There are a few sativa Dom elite clones that are popular in Cali I think it would improve but also long er flowering lines too. Bubblegum brings permagrin happy but lacks clarity and focus. Breed it to something that has clarity and focus like some of those cannabiogen colombian heirlooms. Or Sam's haze hybrids or even a good cut of fruity juice or some c99/JackH derivative.
Honestly the lack of creativity in the world of cannabis breeding astounds me. People are mostly just chasing $ and are blinded by fads. Think long term ppl. This shit will be legal one day is all we want to be left with supermarket hybrids? The prices will go down significantly and ppl won't be able to rationalize they are saving money buying the most potent weed then build up a tolerance so they can talk down to ppl who can't afford to keep a tolerance that high. Then it will be about nuance.
If reading thaiblisses "search for trip weed" thread taught me anything it is preserve the jewels from the past because sometimes you don't realize what younhave until it is gone.
So if people want bubblegum great find it and preserve it! You may think you are improving it with some cross but likely you are just are part of a passing fad. Preserve it so when you or we realize the error we can start fresh without having to go all the way back to landraces that are gone anyway.
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Croissant I agree with everything you say. I managed to get a pack of bog bubble from a U.S vendor and am interested to see what it's like. I have quiet a few unadulterated strains that I do small batches of seed to keep the lines preserved. I have fets old c99 line that is excellent and has very uplifting properties but I wouldn't call it giggle weed. It didn't cross my mind to cross BB to c99. I was thinking with another indica like yumboldt or to go the other way with a pure haze.
I'm in the uk so access to popular cali clones is impossible but I'm curious as to what popular sativa cuts you refer to.
Croissant
Member
Need4weed
That is super cool you are practicing preservation. Keep in mind it has been stated it might take a few packs to find a good pheno. Tom Hill has stated in the past a good rule of thumb is 1 in 20 females.
Off the top of my head I think bg would improve green crack and crackerjack which is a jack herer x green crack select cutting.
The reason I see it this way is because BG could provide a happy centering anchoring point that takes the nervous edge off of a sativa counterpart. Also with those strains BG would improve the palate greatly. They are terpy and distinctly loud but lack depth and roundness BG could provide.
Actually my opinion for crossing BG and yumb together would be to cross each of them to a sativa(s) and cross those offspring together.
For sativa outcrosses chimeres Congo, Sam's haze skunk, or cannabiogen Colombians for bg. For the yumb sage or cannabiogen Oaxaca 79.
Really though follow your nose.
That is super cool you are practicing preservation. Keep in mind it has been stated it might take a few packs to find a good pheno. Tom Hill has stated in the past a good rule of thumb is 1 in 20 females.
Off the top of my head I think bg would improve green crack and crackerjack which is a jack herer x green crack select cutting.
The reason I see it this way is because BG could provide a happy centering anchoring point that takes the nervous edge off of a sativa counterpart. Also with those strains BG would improve the palate greatly. They are terpy and distinctly loud but lack depth and roundness BG could provide.
Actually my opinion for crossing BG and yumb together would be to cross each of them to a sativa(s) and cross those offspring together.
For sativa outcrosses chimeres Congo, Sam's haze skunk, or cannabiogen Colombians for bg. For the yumb sage or cannabiogen Oaxaca 79.
Really though follow your nose.
bigbadbiddy
Well-known member
@need4weed
PeakseedsBC has crossed his Blueberry to his C99.
I got 10 beans from him as testers.
The line is not released and not on his website (neither is the C99 though which he has been selling for more than a year it seems, website just old and not up to date according to himself).
Now I can't speak to the results and I doubt I will germ the seeds any time soon.
Can just say it has been done and you could contact Mike over at PeakseedsBC if you would like some info.
As for Bubblegum and Sativa crosses.
I mainly agree, but, I would say that Bubblegum strain is mainly about the Bubblegum odor and flavor.
If that cannot be located in a Bubblegum strain offered on the market, I doubt crossing any old Sativa to it would bring out these particular odors and flavors. Could round off the effects nicely, sure.
But first one would need an actually Bubblegum tasting and smelling pheno from a Bubblegum line, no?
And since that seems hard to find, as a base, my thinking would be more along the line of "what could I backcross one of those "depleted" Bubblegum lines to, in order to "refresh" the Bubblegum flavors and odors?".
My answer would be something along the line of Ace's PCK or other Bubblegum lines.
Once actual Bubblegum flavors and odors would be locked down, I would be all for introducing Sativa genetics to round off the effects.
If one could pop enough seeds to find a Bubblegum tasting and smelling pheno from one of the existing lines, I would go for preservation (trying to find a suitable male that carries over the Bubblegum taste and smell in the progeny) first. Only then would I take Sativas to it.
Bubblegum is nothing in my opinion, if it doesn't smell and/or taste of Bubblegum.
Then there are many more interesting strains out there.
Only if that is locked down, would I consider altering it. Otherwise I would simply take another strain as my base (like Blueberry for example).
PeakseedsBC has crossed his Blueberry to his C99.
I got 10 beans from him as testers.
The line is not released and not on his website (neither is the C99 though which he has been selling for more than a year it seems, website just old and not up to date according to himself).
Now I can't speak to the results and I doubt I will germ the seeds any time soon.
Can just say it has been done and you could contact Mike over at PeakseedsBC if you would like some info.
As for Bubblegum and Sativa crosses.
I mainly agree, but, I would say that Bubblegum strain is mainly about the Bubblegum odor and flavor.
If that cannot be located in a Bubblegum strain offered on the market, I doubt crossing any old Sativa to it would bring out these particular odors and flavors. Could round off the effects nicely, sure.
But first one would need an actually Bubblegum tasting and smelling pheno from a Bubblegum line, no?
And since that seems hard to find, as a base, my thinking would be more along the line of "what could I backcross one of those "depleted" Bubblegum lines to, in order to "refresh" the Bubblegum flavors and odors?".
My answer would be something along the line of Ace's PCK or other Bubblegum lines.
Once actual Bubblegum flavors and odors would be locked down, I would be all for introducing Sativa genetics to round off the effects.
If one could pop enough seeds to find a Bubblegum tasting and smelling pheno from one of the existing lines, I would go for preservation (trying to find a suitable male that carries over the Bubblegum taste and smell in the progeny) first. Only then would I take Sativas to it.
Bubblegum is nothing in my opinion, if it doesn't smell and/or taste of Bubblegum.
Then there are many more interesting strains out there.
Only if that is locked down, would I consider altering it. Otherwise I would simply take another strain as my base (like Blueberry for example).
