California AC Box **Spectacular**

[JustanotherDave]

I've built a couple boxes as well.
At the very least...a guy really should seal off and pull air directly from/thru the very back of these window units. At least it gives a dedicated direction of air flow.
H-Daddies pics really show the simplicity of how they work and also how simple the build is to do it right.
I think the only way people might consider it complicated is if they were trying to do one completely "built in" like H-Daddy did...but that's optional.

 

[jugdishe]

Hoosierdaddy takes the time and energy to help anyone who would like help and you dump on him?
lame
thanks to HD for the very helpful threads!

 

[FidelCashflow]

First off I never called you any names. And I have never called you any names in this entire thread. I have been nothing but civil with you. I labeled you as a cab grower. If you don't like it step up your game.

You are sure quick to judge my age. Did you use the same logic to design your ac box's?

And as far as your "pro" circles go. Give it a brake, I live in California every one is pro here compared to you. You can ask a good friend of mine Ed Rosenthal about what circles i run with. And Yes he know my screen name.

It seems to me your the one that's really upset coming on my thread with "your panties in a wad"

Now please just give it a rest. Stick to your cabs and be happy with your results.

oh and maybe try answering the one question I had for you that you have been avoiding....... when an ac is hanging out a window ( how it was designed ) DO YOU THINK it has better air flow then when it is inside a 4 cubic foot box with 600 CFM.....

i'm pretty sure we've all been quick to judge your age by the immature way you attempted to put HD down rather than actually provide an intelligent argument in favor of your methods. actually, when it comes to "haters", it appears you've topped this thread's list. besides that, i can say i've played guitar next to John Frusciante, but until i can get on stage and play the way he does, it's nothing more than empty words. who you know matters very little when it comes to the internet, or any aspect of life. if you want to prove yourself, prove you know what you're talking about, rather than dropping names

 

[globel]

Its simple experience. I have build many more ac box's then H-daddy or whatever you call him now. The way that he proposes to build ac box's Suck the co2 out of the room (i have made box's his way before like 8 years ago). I wasn't going to waist my time explaining why, when you look at the design its clear as day. This is why I don't make ac box's like that and that is why no one else in California builds ac box's like that. I under stand he likes to spoon feed information to you people I think that's why you think he is such a cool cat. But that information will just end up hurting you unless you do a little research your self. If I had the time to dribble on about stuff I have never done my self before like H Diddiy I would be doing you all a disservice like he dose. Its simple Experience.

 

[FidelCashflow]

...i don't think you're making your point very well, that's the only problem. not many people (myself included) have much experience in this field, and with the internet as our only medium, there's no other way for us to learn effectively than to be walked through things with very detailed rational explanations. HD has given his methods, as well as significant explanation as to why he chose them. so far, you've neglected to back up your methods with anything but put downs. with a decent argument behind them, i'm sure any one of us would consider your method in a different light, but so far we've seen nothing that effectively puts your methods above his

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Its simple experience. I have build many more ac box's then H-daddy or whatever you call him now. The way that he proposes to build ac box's Suck the co2 out of the room (i have made box's his way before like 8 years ago). I wasn't going to waist my time explaining why, when you look at the design its clear as day. This is why I don't make ac box's like that and that is why no one else in California builds ac box's like that. I under stand he likes to spoon feed information to you people I think that's why you think he is such a cool cat. But that information will just end up hurting you unless you do a little research your self. If I had the time to dribble on about stuff I have never done my self before like H Diddiy I would be doing you all a disservice like he dose. Its simple Experience.

Now that just won't do. I think that if you assert that my methods are flawed, and will cause growers problems, you need to explain what the problem is.
I can tell you that my method will NOT cause the grow area to loose co2. That is a ridiculous observation. But maybe you can explain it, and we can both learn?

See, we have both drawn lines in the sand and have stated that each other is wrong. I am quite ready to debate the thing with you...but you will have to do more than give us your pedigree (which is weak btw,,,,you california kids kill me..lol), and make your little drive-by mud slingings.

The shot you spout about what people in CA do...please, give me a break kid. You have no idea what "everyone" in CA does or doesn't do. I can tell you for sure that whomever employs you to build an AC box is either an idiot, or will soon find out that you are. It is just that simple.

 

[globel]

I don't have time to make a jpeg to demonstrate it to you sorry. As I said before you will need to do a little research and "Free Thinking." Its sad if all it takes is a jpeg for you to believe something. I think I have demonstrated to you plenty of ways to build ac box's, as well my gallery's of pictures of many different grows might demonstrate something to you.

 

[globel]

As I said before I build box's for many people I have a good idea of what the people are doing In California.

And as far as your box's go its simple pressure. Your putting to much pressure behind the box. When they build the ac its designed to hang out a window (outside). Theirs not very much pressure outside. That's why they don't leak air. And when you build the box your way the pressure will cause the ac to malfunction (and they will leak air). I can tell you this from experience. I have built these things for over 8 years. The way I build them there is very little pressure but a lot of airflow behind the ac. Maybe next time you should listen to that 30 year old grower doing that bone head thing you have no idea about.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

The guy I spoke of was not a grower, and he was not 30 years old...he was an old man that had been doing something stupid for 30 years.

As I said before I build box's for many people I have a good idea of what the people are doing In California.

No, really you don't. You have no friggin clue. And like I said, those who have your box have a bad designed unit produced by a young wannabe who hasn't done their homework.

And as far as your box's go its simple pressure. Your putting to much pressure behind the box. When they build the ac its designed to hang out a window (outside). Theirs not very much pressure outside. That's why they don't leak air. And when you build the box your way the pressure will cause the ac to malfunction (and they will leak air). I can tell you this from experience. I have built these things for over 8 years. The way I build them there is very little pressure but a lot of airflow behind the ac.

The easiest way to put this, is you are wrong. Completely wrong.
The way you are doing the AC box, the air that is used to cool the coils is being mixed with the air that has already passed over the hot coils. This creates a situation where the air is continuing to get hotter, and will not effeciently keep the unit cool. As a result of it being overworked from the start, it will cause the unit to cycle much more frequently than normal, and as a result will fail far faster than normal.
If you actually read my thread on AC boxes, you will learn something. And maybe you will stop screwing unsuspecting people with your flawed design boxes.

 

[greenthumbnewb]

one word 'Ghetto'

 

[globel]

yea sorry h diddy obviously you have little experience building ac box's this is apparent. I can honestly tell you I have built over 100 some are 8 years old and still work fine. Maybe if you actually try to build one you can learn the dynamics of how they work.

If you think 600 CFM in 4 cubic feet will allow hot air to remain inside the box you are gravely mistaken my friend, and you need to get some real world experience with this before you try to spoon feed your garbage to people. A simple thermometer inside the box will prove you wrong. If inside the box its 75* i don't think hot air is being recirculated. Again this is stuff you learn when you build this stuff in practice not in theory.

 

[PharmaCan]

I have been making these for years for many different growers. (i have built over 20 ac boxs)

I can honestly tell you I have built over 100 some are 8 years old and still work fine.

ROFLMMFAO - I'm not sure which cliche to use:

The shit just keeps getting deeper. Or,

Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself.



PC

 

[globel]

well i didn't want to seem arrogant like h diddlez at first.

And more then 100 is still over 20 I hope. I don't think I contradicted my self. Unless math has changed....

 

[Jellyfish]

you sound crazy

 

[hoosierdaddy]

You may well have built over 100 AC boxes, although at this point I highly doubt your word. (shrug) But nonetheless, the only show of your workmanship so far is substandard. Your method, besides being a good deal sloppy and whole lot ghetto, goes against common HVAC practice. And if you would only do your homework, you would find that everything we need to know has already been figured out and globally accepted.

A very simple fix would make your unit much more efficient, as well as live longer. And I am taking the time to explain why, not for your sake...because I really could give a ripe rats toss what a bad attitude asswipe like you really thinks anyway...but for the sake of the worthy who would rather not hose up their grow with asshat rigging. And your box, is asshat rigging, plain and simple.

This is asshat box #87

The problem with this design is that the fresh air that is coming in is being mixed with the hot air from the back end of the coils. What this does is heat up the fresh air before it ever even gets to the coils, so right off the bat the system is delivering hotter air than the ambient that is ducted in.

Now, if those air flows were separated, fresh air would enter into the box and in to the intake vents. If the back end is separated and has the exhaust connected to it alone, the exhaust will be sucking out nothing but hot air, and none of the fresh. You will also be feeding cooler air to the coils, so they will perform better and longer.
With at least a 6" duct pulling 650 CFM, coupled with the internal fan of the AC unit, there should be ample exhaust power.
This asshat box could very easily be made proper in no time at all.

A box designed like the one above will work, but not well. Only people that like to fool themselves will enjoy how they work.

 

[RipVanWeed]

Gonna throw my in here.

To me the difference between HD's way and Globel's, is a divider that separates the ambient air that will be used for cooling the coils, from the heated exhaust air flow.

I don't understand how Globel cannot see the advantage of cooling the coils with ambient temps, rather than cooling the coils with air thats been preheated by already passing over the coils? After all we're trying to pump heat out of our grow area, with the high cost of power, effiency is everything.

Globel, why would we cool our coils using air any warmer than ambient?

Here's some pics of how I built my box

A/C box mounted low on the side, you can see two of the four ventilation holes for ambient air to enter middle section of A/C box. The other two holes are on the far back side. You can see that I mounted a small computer fan to blow fresh air into the cooling supply, there's another fan on the back vertical surface...two fans and two passive ports.



In this shot you can see the divider I made out of foam insulation board. On the right side of the divider is the ambient air supply section, on the far right you can see how I used the foam board to isolate the growroom atmosphere. Left of the divider is the hot air exhaust. I mounted a 6" inline duct fan to push the hot air out through the wall of the garage. By splicing into the power supply cord, I mounted an outlet in the box so the add-on fans turn on when the A/C starts.



Flush mount



I picked up this 6500 btu LG, craigslist. I'm in SoCal inland. Gets pretty hot here. Ambient temps in my garage can approach 100 on the hottest days. I know damn well that if I was trying to cool the coils with preheated air this unit would be running quite a bit more.

RipVanWeed

 

[SKUNK420]

MedResearcher,

make your a/c box anyway you want as long as the air flows like the picture then your right if not your wrong. Now I didn't just use HDaddy's pic to back him up but because it shows how air flows and how it needs to be separated to be right. If you box works then great for YOU, but if trying to pass technical info on a/c boxes to the general icmag public then no the info is not correct and is going to waste some poor souls' time and money and maybe security/safety.

Nice a/c mods Rip.

If he disagrees with you it is because you are wrong. - The Most Interesting Grower in the World.

 

[SoFreshnSOGreen]

make your a/c box anyway you want as long as the air flows like the picture then your right if not your wrong. Now I didn't just use HDaddy's pic to back him up but because it shows how air flows and how it needs to be separated to be right. If you box works then great for YOU, but if trying to pass technical info on a/c boxes to the general icmag public then no the info is not correct and is going to waste some poor souls' time and money and maybe security/safety.

Nice a/c mods Rip.

If he disagrees with you it is because you are wrong. - The Most Interesting Grower in the World.

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srsly tho - check out his sig man drops some seriously beautiful shit down; and doing a little basic research will shed light on any subject. now it seems that in general ppl have a hard time learning how to search so here's a quick lesson:
http://www.googleguide.com/

however i doubt you had any ill intensions; some day's its better to just walk off than argue ^^ [especially when they are right]

 

[apartmentblower]

wait, why doesn't someone address globel's claim that h-daddy's ac box style will suck out co2? i dont find this too far-fetched, cause you have a fan pulling on the a/c exhaust all the time, even if the a/c exhaust isn't running (im not sure if they run all the time, my portable a/c exhaust only kicks on when its needed) and also how the hell do you figure out the correct cfm fans to use for exhaust and intake to not create too much pressure and start sucking out grow room air from the inevitable imperfections in the window unit's design???

too bad this thread turned into a shitfest cause there was alot of potential to learn

personally i think globel's design, while not as efficient as running a window unit with seperate intake for fresh air and exhaust for hot air, is a hell of a lot easier than figuring out the variables of fan speed and worrying about negative pressure sucking out grow room air... i mean , the air being used to cool the unit would definately mix with the hot exhaust air before its expelled but i really don't believe that it would be that much of an issue and i could live with slightly shorter total a/c life to not worry about co2 leakage and matching up exhaust CFM's which i have noooooooo idea how to do

 

[squirrelfooker]

Globel's design might work fine. It has air entering and exiting the box so the fan inside the unit will be able to pull some air through the condenser coils.

BUT

The other way of ducting fresh air straight to the intake on the A/C is MUCH better. That way the A/C fan doesn't have to fight the air turbulence inside the box and it won't recirculate it's own air already heated by the condenser.