Cali courts are in disarray because of supreme court ruling.

[BakedBeans]

Maybe Care Giver was referring to the practice of MMJ patients growing extra just to sell. This just perpetuates the money-slave system we have going on. There are more doing this than not.

There is too much $$$ in eyes. TRUE "Care Givers" *GIVE* their herb to those in need. Anything else is healing for a profit and that makes Baby Jesus sad.

Reasonable compensation is okay but $400/oz is not reasonable. $25/oz, MAYBE. Think of all the suffering in this world! People go without!

Just my 2c.

bb

 

[BakedBeans]

And of course, I just contradicted myself because I'm still a slave just like everyone else and money makes this world go around. *sigh*



bb

 

[Hydrosun]

Maybe Care Giver was referring to the practice of MMJ patients growing extra just to sell. This just perpetuates the money-slave system we have going on. There are more doing this than not.

There is too much $$$ in eyes. TRUE "Care Givers" *GIVE* their herb to those in need. Anything else is healing for a profit and that makes Baby Jesus sad.

Reasonable compensation is okay but $400/oz is not reasonable. $25/oz, MAYBE. Think of all the suffering in this world! People go without!

Just my 2c.

bb

Now what the fuck are you talking about? Do true farmers give away their corn and wheat? Do true doctors write prescriptions for free?

What should make little baby Jesus sad is all the fucking socialists who want to enslave their neighbors.

$4,000 an ounce is fucking reasonable if you are too fucking lazy to grow your own.

What world suffering are you fucking talking about? Why don't you get you ass to Sudan and fight the human injustice and quit giving advise to PRODUCERS here on ICmag.

Just my 2c.

 

[mrred]

4,000 a oz? more like 40 dollarrs for a oz off some dank seems reasonable

farmers give away alot to people close to them, and in some places where a crop might otherwise rot or have a huge surplus, they let a bunch random people go out there pick how ever much they want, mostly they will drive up on their atv if they see you outside be ask if you want some? then get your wheel barrel

 

[Hydrosun]

4,000 a oz? more like 40 dollarrs for a oz off some dank seems reasonable

That sounds great. I've got an extra $4k how about you get 100oz of top shelf bud put together for me and I'll come buy it from you.

If you don't have it because you don't produce, then your idea of reasonable isn't worth two shits.

Peace,

 

[Maijah]

i conservatively puff about 1/2 oz. a week, thats 1 and 1/2 lbs. a year.

 

[igrowone]

20 years or so(maybe not that long) of MMJ and this is finally being addressed by the courts?
if you're not selling, then who should care? so i have extra on hand in case my health goes down hill and i can't grow anymore
if police think someone's selling their excess, then make a case the old fashioned way, get some direct evidence
legalization is the simplest, not quite there but each of these steps forward brings us closer

 

[BakedBeans]

You produce because you don't know what else to do because there are TOO MANY GREEDY PEOPLE. It's the money system that causes us to compromise our values.

Farmer's got screwed along with everyone else when our whole economy became about services and people wanting to make shitloads of money by making others work for it. Do you really think corn and wheat farmers today are the same as they were 100 years ago? Government subsidies, artificially-low prices and agribusiness have seen to it that they are all fucked.


I *do* give away my bud when I grow it. I can afford to because I've diversified my skills even with no schooling. I also know what it's like to be a PATIENT IN NEED with VERY LITTLE MONEY.

If you have been growing for money you are already too jaded to understand. You have to have been on the other side of the fence to know. Patient's can't afford these inflated black-market prices. *Reasonable* prices, yes. This is a Earthly herb like anything else.

And the world of suffering is all around you. If you don't feel empathy for your fellow humans you are firmly planted inside your ego and you will remain stuck.

bb

 

[Hydrosun]

You produce because you don't know what else to do because there are TOO MANY GREEDY PEOPLE. It's the money system that causes us to compromise our values.

Farmer's got screwed along with everyone else when our whole economy became about services and people wanting to make shitloads of money by making others work for it. Do you really think corn and wheat farmers today are the same as they were 100 years ago? Government subsidies, artificially-low prices and agribusiness have seen to it that they are all fucked.


I *do* give away my bud when I grow it. I can afford to because I've diversified my skills even with no schooling. I also know what it's like to be a PATIENT IN NEED with VERY LITTLE MONEY.

If you have been growing for money you are already too jaded to understand. You have to have been on the other side of the fence to know. Patient's can't afford these inflated black-market prices. *Reasonable* prices, yes. This is a Earthly herb like anything else.

And the world of suffering is all around you. If you don't feel empathy for your fellow humans you are firmly planted inside your ego and you will remain stuck.

bb

I'd much rather be firmly planted inside my ego than living in the universe you do.

How many people in the world started growing weed without ever buying smoke first? My guess is less than 1%. Weed growers are weed smokers who decided to grow because an Oz or so a couple times a month ads up.

See most people are on the buying side well before they ever grow, so get a hold of yourself and realize you are no better than anyone here at ICmag.

I produce because it make me happy, I know what else to do like travel the world and try to make friends with beautiful women.

I can afford to give away my production if I so chose and my diversified skills have earned me plenty of money and my extensive formal schooling hasn't hurt either.

The problem with you is you feel justified in stealing my production. You lament what has happened to the family farm and the evils of corporatism and in the same breath you seek to steal the production of ICmagers.

There is suffering all around me, but the biggest suffering is from sheep like you who believe they are entitled to anything besides freedom.

And if you haven't developed independent thought by this point in your life, you will MOST LIKELY remain stuck.

Peace,

 

[BakedBeans]

Oh good grief nevermind. Spoken like a true ego.

Stealing *your* production. Nice defensive mind stance there buddy. You go chase your women. I enjoy my family and my universe very much.

And yes, I've been in the same boat with everyone else, buying weed illegally in a state which doesn't recognize MMJ at all.

bb

 

[Maijah]

well , what goes around comes around remember that. You will reap what you sow, and bless you for giving medicine to those in need

 

[Neo 420]

You produce because you don't know what else to do because there are TOO MANY GREEDY PEOPLE. It's the money system that causes us to compromise our values.

Farmer's got screwed along with everyone else when our whole economy became about services and people wanting to make shitloads of money by making others work for it. Do you really think corn and wheat farmers today are the same as they were 100 years ago? Government subsidies, artificially-low prices and agribusiness have seen to it that they are all fucked.


I *do* give away my bud when I grow it. I can afford to because I've diversified my skills even with no schooling. I also know what it's like to be a PATIENT IN NEED with VERY LITTLE MONEY.

If you have been growing for money you are already too jaded to understand. You have to have been on the other side of the fence to know. Patient's can't afford these inflated black-market prices. *Reasonable* prices, yes. This is a Earthly herb like anything else.

And the world of suffering is all around you. If you don't feel empathy for your fellow humans you are firmly planted inside your ego and you will remain stuck.

bb

No need for the rhetoric and judging here BB. I understand your sense of compassion for fellow man. Really I do. But infusing it with your generalizing stereotypical views of the black market does not help us move forward on the real issue at hand... Legalization.

I have no idea to your growing skills or ability but what I do know is the tremendous amount of time, energy, experience and money it takes to produce top notch medication., And as the growing op (amount of plants) scales to higher numbers it consumes exponentially more time, energy, experience and money. Not to sound like I am justifying someone who sells grade D for 300$/oz when it should be 100$/0z. But there are different level and grades and the prices usually reflect grade and level. If your are a connoisseur then I think we most likely we would of never had this conversation.
And besides if a MMJ patient does not like the black market price they could go to those things call a dispensary. (But they better watch out cause some clubs are higher than the black market)

As for the people suffering, go talk to your local prisons that are full of individuals serving time for a phreakin plant! Where is your empathy for the fallen soldiers that helped lead the way to the road we are on. Legalization. Its gonna happen in Cali in Nov of this glorious year. Pick your side and choose wisely.

 

[BakedBeans]

Yeah, I've spent some time reflecting today and this has really caused me to question all of my beliefs about money, karma, the world, etc.

What I failed earlier to consider was the growers who do it for a living are no different from myself professionally. I'm a computer consultant and I've spent 15 years working to make as much money as I can (and it's never enough, right?). A grower who sees a product that people are *willing* to pay for is no different. They are free to charge what they will. Now, they may only receive a certain type of customer, and if it was all business then that is all that will come out of that relationship. I suppose that is all well and good for those who are seeking that.

I always forget that my limited perspective of the universe is far, far, far from complete and it takes all kinds to make this world go around.

I do apologize for lumping people into stereotypes, that is certainly unconscious thinking and is not within my own values.

I suppose even in a legalized market there will always be those who grow to give and those who need the cash. Both groups (really, *all* groups) will receive what they are seeking in the end. It's the way life works.

I was feeling a little world-weary this morning and apologize if I ruffled some feathers. I've been at war with my own ego lately, which is counter-productive in it's own right.

I really hope I can grow some good bud again soon, give some away to those truly in need, and sell the rest to those who are seeking to pay for it in order to diversify my own interests for the good of my family. Those who seek to *not* pay for it and truly are in need will find me, I have no doubt, and I'll be happy to help since the Universe will help me if I just let it.

Thank you all for the mind exercise!

bb

 

[skoobie dew]

Here's an idea. If someone gets caught selling medical cannabis then leo can bust them. It's called "police work" but isn't done much anymore. If someone belongs to a co-op shares the crop, then it's legal. Simple possession of medical cannabis by a patient in california is essentially legal at any amount if it is for the entire co-op.

A guy who worked for a co-op got busted with 60lbs. The judge told leo to give it back because it was for the co-op. True story. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/09/local/la-me-pot-return9-2010jan09

Maybe leo should concentrate on murderers, gang violence, child molesters ect... Quit busting people for a harmless weed, going a little too fast on the freeway and not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.

 

[anonamix]

Here's an idea. If someone gets caught selling medical cannabis then leo can bust them. It's called "police work" but isn't done much anymore.

Yeah, like this problem is just now occuring. like people cant get scripts for pills then sell them on the side? pshshshs

 

[SpasticGramps]

"Fighting this pretty well drained what little money we had," Johanna Azevedo said of her legal fight with Solano County prosecutors

Drained all their money fighting pot did they? What a bunch of good for nothing morons. They all deserve to go stand in bread lines.

 

[Hydrosun]

Yeah, I've spent some time reflecting today and this has really caused me to question all of my beliefs about money, karma, the world, etc.

What I failed earlier to consider was the growers who do it for a living are no different from myself professionally. I'm a computer consultant and I've spent 15 years working to make as much money as I can (and it's never enough, right?). A grower who sees a product that people are *willing* to pay for is no different. They are free to charge what they will. Now, they may only receive a certain type of customer, and if it was all business then that is all that will come out of that relationship. I suppose that is all well and good for those who are seeking that.

I always forget that my limited perspective of the universe is far, far, far from complete and it takes all kinds to make this world go around.

I do apologize for lumping people into stereotypes, that is certainly unconscious thinking and is not within my own values.

I suppose even in a legalized market there will always be those who grow to give and those who need the cash. Both groups (really, *all* groups) will receive what they are seeking in the end. It's the way life works.

I was feeling a little world-weary this morning and apologize if I ruffled some feathers. I've been at war with my own ego lately, which is counter-productive in it's own right.

I really hope I can grow some good bud again soon, give some away to those truly in need, and sell the rest to those who are seeking to pay for it in order to diversify my own interests for the good of my family. Those who seek to *not* pay for it and truly are in need will find me, I have no doubt, and I'll be happy to help since the Universe will help me if I just let it.

Thank you all for the mind exercise!

bb

Thanks BB it takes a big man to soul search and report his self identified flaws. I certainly have mine too and hope we all overgrow the universe. Good luck with your future buds.

Peace,

 

[Hydrosun]

Drained all their money fighting pot did they? What a bunch of good for nothing morons. They all deserve to go stand in bread lines.

Gramps that was a quote from the busted grower woman. They dropped the charges against her and her husband; but their legal expenses have bankrupted the fellow growers.

I hate my government for doing this to their family.

Peace,

 

[Neo 420]

Yeah, I've spent some time reflecting today and this has really caused me to question all of my beliefs about money, karma, the world, etc.

What I failed earlier to consider was the growers who do it for a living are no different from myself professionally. I'm a computer consultant and I've spent 15 years working to make as much money as I can (and it's never enough, right?). A grower who sees a product that people are *willing* to pay for is no different. They are free to charge what they will. Now, they may only receive a certain type of customer, and if it was all business then that is all that will come out of that relationship. I suppose that is all well and good for those who are seeking that.

I always forget that my limited perspective of the universe is far, far, far from complete and it takes all kinds to make this world go around.

I do apologize for lumping people into stereotypes, that is certainly unconscious thinking and is not within my own values.

I suppose even in a legalized market there will always be those who grow to give and those who need the cash. Both groups (really, *all* groups) will receive what they are seeking in the end. It's the way life works.

I was feeling a little world-weary this morning and apologize if I ruffled some feathers. I've been at war with my own ego lately, which is counter-productive in it's own right.

I really hope I can grow some good bud again soon, give some away to those truly in need, and sell the rest to those who are seeking to pay for it in order to diversify my own interests for the good of my family. Those who seek to *not* pay for it and truly are in need will find me, I have no doubt, and I'll be happy to help since the Universe will help me if I just let it.

Thank you all for the mind exercise!

bb

Its easy to get caught up in the hype. Just glad your back!

 

[mrred]

That sounds great. I've got an extra $4k how about you get 100oz of top shelf bud put together for me and I'll come buy it from you.

If you don't have it because you don't produce, then your idea of reasonable isn't worth two shits.

Peace,

wtf a consumer doesnt have a ideal of a resonable price because he doesnt produce? umm k , the price is only artificially high now because its illegal. and just because its illegal doesnt justifiy the price to ME.