Special Blue 7X had 0.001g of residue
Special Blue 7X, country of manufacture?, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "131028"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28
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Butane Residue Test Results
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Special Blue 7X had 0.001g of residue
Special Blue 7X, country of manufacture?, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "131028"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28
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BrnCow
Could a person use some form of filter to push it through before using it...say a pure cotton filter that might catch the oil in it prior to distilling it or using it? Just a not very well thought out idea...
Powdered activated carbon (charcoal) removes it easily, Jump 117 found you can just add a little to some liquid butane, pour it off through a filter, and then use the clean butane to soak your herb for extraction. This was before we found the residue really isn't a problem. I'm now flash vaping oil that was made last year with Vector, it's not a health concern, but there are better choices...check the list linked to in my Signature (and bookmark it!)
What we found, is that when we inject liquid butane into a cold trap held around 85F, and pump it off as a vapor into a storage tank using a refrigerant recovery pump, and stopping when zero gauge pressure is reached, that the heavier hydrocarbons from Pentane up are effectively removed.
That doesn't mean that there is no longer any present, only that it is in now in the PPB levels and more orders of magnitude below any published levels of health concern.
The math has already demonstrated that even at the higher levels reported by this round of tests, the amount present per dose is far below current published levels of health concern before vacuum distillation.
The primary reason that refineries don't fractionally distill using vacuum, is because of sheer volume and the cost of doing so. They will however clean up smaller batches for special applications, at some premium price. How many 9's can you afford to the right of the decimal place, when paying at the operating cost per hour refineries incur.
Under the theory that less is better, Skunk Pharm Research currently has an R&D program with a commercial gas scrubbing filter manufacturer, to develop a filter capable of improving those levels using inline molecular sieve technology, which thus far look highly promising. More when those tests are complete.
That doesn't mean that there is no longer any present, only that it is in now in the PPB levels and more orders of magnitude below any published levels of health concern.
The math has already demonstrated that even at the higher levels reported by this round of tests, the amount present per dose is far below current published levels of health concern before vacuum distillation.
The primary reason that refineries don't fractionally distill using vacuum, is because of sheer volume and the cost of doing so. They will however clean up smaller batches for special applications, at some premium price. How many 9's can you afford to the right of the decimal place, when paying at the operating cost per hour refineries incur.
Under the theory that less is better, Skunk Pharm Research currently has an R&D program with a commercial gas scrubbing filter manufacturer, to develop a filter capable of improving those levels using inline molecular sieve technology, which thus far look highly promising. More when those tests are complete.
Amused GW that you still have to dance around a pin about the accuracy of my tests,
"even at the higher levels reported by this round of tests,"
Either back up my tests guys, or fuck 'em over...
Nothing personal GW, you know you have my deepest respect.
"even at the higher levels reported by this round of tests,"
Either back up my tests guys, or fuck 'em over...
Nothing personal GW, you know you have my deepest respect.
Sky I believe GW was responding to your statement
"It should all be about the same after you distill it, if distilling works as you guys are taking it for granted it does... GW said he was going to do multiple distillations and check after each to see how many passes it actually takes, if one doesn't do it..."
But I could be wrong.
"It should all be about the same after you distill it, if distilling works as you guys are taking it for granted it does... GW said he was going to do multiple distillations and check after each to see how many passes it actually takes, if one doesn't do it..."
But I could be wrong.
In context,
"What we found, is that when we inject liquid butane into a cold trap held around 85F, and pump it off as a vapor into a storage tank using a refrigerant recovery pump, and stopping when zero gauge pressure is reached, that the heavier hydrocarbons from Pentane up are effectively removed.
That doesn't mean that there is no longer any present, only that it is in now in the PPB levels and more orders of magnitude below any published levels of health concern.
The math has already demonstrated that even at the higher levels reported by this round of tests, the amount present per dose is far below current published levels of health concern before vacuum distillation."
What are "the higher levels reported by this round of tests?" The only firm numbers we have for residuals anywhere that I believe are valid are those reflected in my canned butane residue test results.
The quantitative results GW got from Specialty Analytical are bunk, and so are the those Mystery Oil got from the same lab. Neither of the multiple can tests GW or MO did were done with the parameters set up for quantitative accuracy, they were just to see approximately how much there is, and to maybe get it analyzed, which was eventually done in both instances.
Vector has ~30 times the residue as Zippo or Ronson, now that's indeed many orders of magnitude of difference that only involves wiser shopping choices.
Bet you a quarter GW Zippo or Ronson canned butane is as free of residue as the highest quality bulk butane. Let's see how Capital's newest canned N-Butane tests out... I'm assuming they're starting with US bulk product, and to not achieve better than the best of the best this time around would be foolish with the competition in the wings.
Edited, 'cause I'm way too stoned.
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Graywolfs were the only ppm residuals that made sense and almost every one of his tests showed results under the 0.01 limit that your scale presents for your tests...
The only thing Skys "results" show is how inconsistent each and every can is, and also how there is plenty of MO in all of them, but in amounts small enough that there needs to be multiple cans tested from each batch with a scale that reads more accurately than 0.01 ...you can tell where he tests more than one can by the same company how big the differences can be within the same brand of butane. but wait there was only one can tested in almost every case so we don't even get to see these variances in any light, only a ballpark # that really gives no indication to how each company is running quality control on residuals, and most importantly what is in the residuals.
We also dont know what is in the wide range of residuals, only that they can vary in color, smell, quantity etc..likely depending on the source of the petrol and method used to extract it. ie fracking, drilling etc.
We all need to be distilling canned lighter "butane" imo.
The only thing Skys "results" show is how inconsistent each and every can is, and also how there is plenty of MO in all of them, but in amounts small enough that there needs to be multiple cans tested from each batch with a scale that reads more accurately than 0.01 ...you can tell where he tests more than one can by the same company how big the differences can be within the same brand of butane. but wait there was only one can tested in almost every case so we don't even get to see these variances in any light, only a ballpark # that really gives no indication to how each company is running quality control on residuals, and most importantly what is in the residuals.
We also dont know what is in the wide range of residuals, only that they can vary in color, smell, quantity etc..likely depending on the source of the petrol and method used to extract it. ie fracking, drilling etc.
We all need to be distilling canned lighter "butane" imo.
All I ask is this is test me. Bring reign or shame.
Perception depends on perspective.
Another way to interpret what I said, is the way that it was intended, and that was to acknowledge your tests and say at those levels it wasn't a health concern.
I differentiated your tests from my tests, which also don't show levels of concern, and MO's tests which do, but no one has been unable to duplicate.
May I suggest a dab to unlax and a walk around the elephant brother SH?
Another way to interpret what I said, is the way that it was intended, and that was to acknowledge your tests and say at those levels it wasn't a health concern.
I differentiated your tests from my tests, which also don't show levels of concern, and MO's tests which do, but no one has been unable to duplicate.
May I suggest a dab to unlax and a walk around the elephant brother SH?
BrainChild
Member
Hey everybody~
Sky I want to thank you for taking the time money and effort to bring such valuable info to the table.
My question is if these tests weren't set up for quantitative accuracy or "bunk" as you say, what was the point of even listing PPMs and percentages of residuals if its not even accurate? The title on skunk pharm under the BHO mystery oil tab is "RESIDUAL PPM CONTAMINANTS IN BUTANE BY BRAND" where it lists brand, volume, residuals, percent and PPM. If this isn't accurate then why is it even listed?
One reason I ask is on sky's tests ronson tests among the lowest but on skunk pharm it lists as the highest by far @224 PPM.
"May I suggest a dab to unlax and a walk around the elephant brother SH?"
I appreciate the kind sentiments, but brothers and sisters are still unaware the question of nonvolatile residuals from canned butane has been investigated and the results published, because no one will take the time to do a few check tests of my work and provide concurrence.
Test a couple of the brands I found lowest in residuals and see if they are indeed at the resolution of a milligram scale, and then test of a few of the others further down the list.
My thanks to jackgastche for the testing he did.
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind..."
http://youtu.be/PDpVS7D9AJs
I appreciate the kind sentiments, but brothers and sisters are still unaware the question of nonvolatile residuals from canned butane has been investigated and the results published, because no one will take the time to do a few check tests of my work and provide concurrence.
Test a couple of the brands I found lowest in residuals and see if they are indeed at the resolution of a milligram scale, and then test of a few of the others further down the list.
My thanks to jackgastche for the testing he did.
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind..."
http://youtu.be/PDpVS7D9AJs
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You're confusing the later quantitative individual can tests which were done by Specialty Analytical, and then by jackgastche and myself, with the first two big tests done by Mystery Oil, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mystery-Oil/191952837642348
and then GW as confirmation,
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/
Nothing was done covertly, see the Mystery Oil sticky thread at TC Forums for the story with all the details.
This hang up is happening because Specialty Analytical couldn't provide consistent accurate residue numbers, they're all over the place as GW readily admits. I've heard Capital Butane's been checking out labs, maybe he'll eventually share the name of a lab where I can have validation testing done.
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Sorry to disappoint you bro, cause I was enjoying you carrying the ball, so I could focus elsewhere. I thought you were doing a splendid job and didn't realize there was much controversy.
I have no explanation for MO's test results, but note that my own fall within the general scatter of yours, and MO's are orders of magnitude outside it.
I have two samples that I can check. Puretane sent Skunk Pharm Research a couple cases to test in a recycle system, and I have our last tank of Matheson 99.95% Instrument grade n-Butane, which we can pull test a sample from.
I added them to the list.
Would someone else please do some testing to back up my results, GW's input is always appreciated, but my challenge wasn't to get him back into this, he's got way too many projects going that need his unique prowess, and this isn't one of them.
The milligram scale I bought to do the tests is only about $20 at Amazon, here's a link to it,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TDNAM/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I think the other cheaper offerings for it at ebay are possibly inferior copies.
Hitman 5X comes today, I'm also going to do a further test of Ronson to ensure they're keeping their quality up.
The milligram scale I bought to do the tests is only about $20 at Amazon, here's a link to it,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TDNAM/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I think the other cheaper offerings for it at ebay are possibly inferior copies.
Hitman 5X comes today, I'm also going to do a further test of Ronson to ensure they're keeping their quality up.
hitman 5X had 0.025g of residue
hitman 5X, Korea, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "130903"
The residue had a light yellow tint.
The result will be added to the head post and the Best to Worst list linked to in my ICMAG Forums Signature.
This ebay ad seems to be in error,
"1 Can Hitman Butane 5X, BEST butane to use as SOLVENT & only 1 w/o "Mystery Oil""
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Can-Hitma...537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3c283971
hitman 5X, Korea, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "130903"
The residue had a light yellow tint.
The result will be added to the head post and the Best to Worst list linked to in my ICMAG Forums Signature.
This ebay ad seems to be in error,
"1 Can Hitman Butane 5X, BEST butane to use as SOLVENT & only 1 w/o "Mystery Oil""
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Can-Hitma...537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3c283971
JointOperation
Active member
do we know if the bags hit with butane could of leached something from the bags? or?
If anything of much mass is leached from the bag it would still be in the bag after boil off, and therefore would be weighed.
i was checking this to see if a new brand of butane carried by the local head shop was worth it... the whip it brand. i find it ironic that with this brand and many others the 7x has more residue than the 5x and both are made in korea.
why does this not make sense to me? it would seem to stand that the more times something is refined the purer it is... thats just common logic but the test results posted seem to prove the opposite in many cases.
all i know, from doing mirror spray tests, is that the brands bottled in the uk always seem to be cleaner than their korean counterpart. same label and everything... one is made in the uk, the other is made in south korea. the s. korean version is usually a dollar or 2 cheaper per can.
any idea what these impurities are? it now seems like ive been wasting money on the more refined brands available. seems like there are brands out there that arent nearly as refined but still have less impuritties in them (according to the OP's chart.)
why does this not make sense to me? it would seem to stand that the more times something is refined the purer it is... thats just common logic but the test results posted seem to prove the opposite in many cases.
all i know, from doing mirror spray tests, is that the brands bottled in the uk always seem to be cleaner than their korean counterpart. same label and everything... one is made in the uk, the other is made in south korea. the s. korean version is usually a dollar or 2 cheaper per can.
any idea what these impurities are? it now seems like ive been wasting money on the more refined brands available. seems like there are brands out there that arent nearly as refined but still have less impuritties in them (according to the OP's chart.)
"any idea what these impurities are?"
Graywolf collected some and had it tested, his general conclusion is: "We are planning some more testing of different brands and sources and further refined testing of all the evil spirits, but we have come far enough to know that while we would prefer to not have the unwanted contaminants in our butane, its presence is thousands, or even billions of times below published levels of concerns by health professionals."
Contaminant as found by Specialty Analytical using GC/MS
NO
CONTAMINANT
Cas#
1.0
Parts Per Billionth
1.1
Butanal, 3-methyl
000590-86-3
1.2
Decane, 1,1, oxyblis
002456-28-2
1.3
Decane
000124-18-5
1.4
3-heptane,2,2,4 dimethyl
002213-23-2
1.5
Sulfurous acid, cyclohexylmethyl
1000309-22-4
1.6
3-heptene, 2,2,4,6,6 pentamethyl
000123-48-8
1.7
1,2-Dichlorobenze-D4
002199.69.1
1.8
1,4-Dichlorbenze-D4
003855-82-1
1.9
Oxalic acid, cyclobutyl nonyl ester
1000309-70-0
1.10
1-Octanol, 2-butyl
003913-02-9
1.11
Oxalic acid, isobutyl octyl ester
1000309-37-3
1.12
1-Bromodocosane
006938-66-5
1.13
Isooctane, (ethenyloxy)
037769-62-3
1.14
Oxalic acid, allyl nonyl ester
1000309-23-7
1.14
1-Hexanol, 2-ethyl
000104-76-7
1.16
3-Octene,
014919-01-8
1.17
2-Propyl-1-pentanol
058175-57-8
1.18
1-Hexanol, 2-ethyl
000104-76-7
1.19
Dodecane
000112-40-3
1.20
Tetradecane
000629-59-4
1.21
Benzenamine, 3,5
000626-43-7
1.22
Silane, dichloro(3-chloropropyo)
003401-26-1
1.23
1H-Iden-1-One, 6 (dimethylamino)
058161-22-1
1.24
3,5-Dichlorophenyl ethylamine
1000306-63-2
2.0
Parts Per Millionth
2.1
2-Pentanol, propanoate
054004-43-2
2.2
2-Bromo dodecane
013187-99-0
2.3
Octadecane, 1-(ethenyloxy)
000930-02-9
2.4
2-Methylpentyl isovalerate
1000236-38-7
2.5
Eicosane
000112-95-8
2.6
N1-(m Tolyl)-N2-tetrahydro
332065-24-4
2.7
Azetidine, 1-me
004923-79-9
2.8
Cyclobutane, methylene
000292-64-8
2.9
Benzene, 1,1-(1,3butadiyne-1,4)
000886-66-8
2.10
Tricyclodecanedimethanamine
026655-37-8
2.11
6-Octadecenoic acid
000593-39-5
2.12
Cyclohexane, 1-pentyl
015232-85-6
2.13
4-Pentenal, 2-methylene
017854-46-5
2.14
3-Hexadecene
034303-81-6
2.15
2,5-Furandione, 3-(dodecenyl)
025377-73-5
2.16
Cyclohexanone,4-acetyl
005034-21-9
2.17
Oxalic acid, 2-ethylhexl isohex
1000309-38-8
2.18
Benzofuran-2-one, 4 amino-2
1000129-51-7
2.19
1,5,9-Cyclododecatrine
000676-22-2
2.20
Carbonic acid, decyl phenyl este
1000314-57-4
2.21
Dicyloxybenzene
035021-67-1
2.22
Carbonic acid, hexadecyl phenyl
1000314-58-0
2.23
Carbonic acid, Octadecyl pheny
1000314-58-1
2.24
Carbonic acid, phenyl tetradecyl
1000314-57-8
2.25
Phynl 3-deoxy-alpha,-d-ribo-he
1000133-06-1
2.26
6,7-Dioxabicylo(3.2.2)non-8-ene
006786-21-6
2.27
Beta-d-Mannofuranoside, phenyl
093524-17-5
2.28
N-Vinyllimidazole
001072-63-5
2.29
Decanedioic acid, bis (2ethylhex
000122-62-3
2.30
Glutaric acid, mono-phenyl ester
037526-03-7
2.31
Carbonic acid, Phynl undec-10-e
1000314-57-5
2.32
Heptadecane, 2,6,10,14-tetramethyl
018344-37-1
2.33
Oxalic acid, dodecyl 2-ethylhexy
1000309-39-5
2.34
5-Chlorobenzo(1,2,5)thiadiazol-4
1000311-77-9
2.35
Hexadecane, 1-chloro
004860-03-1
2.36
6-Nitroundec-5-ene
1000192-40-3
2.37
Butanedioic acid,2,3,dihydroxy
013811-71-7
2.38
Isoquinoline, 1,2,3,4-tetrahydro
029726-60-1
2.39
Pyrrolidine, 1-methyl-3-2-spiro
04029-14-1
2.40
Imidazo(1,2-b)1,2,4, triazine,6
094103-49-8
2.41
2 Propyn-1-one, 1-(2-thienyl)
056588-20-6
2.42
E-11-Hexadecen-1-o1
1000130-89-8
2.43
9-Octadecoi acid
000112-79-8
2.44
Octadecane, 1-chloro
003386-33-2
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/
I got the drift the 5X, 7X, 9X, etc. are from different factories.
Graywolf collected some and had it tested, his general conclusion is: "We are planning some more testing of different brands and sources and further refined testing of all the evil spirits, but we have come far enough to know that while we would prefer to not have the unwanted contaminants in our butane, its presence is thousands, or even billions of times below published levels of concerns by health professionals."
Contaminant as found by Specialty Analytical using GC/MS
NO
CONTAMINANT
Cas#
1.0
Parts Per Billionth
1.1
Butanal, 3-methyl
000590-86-3
1.2
Decane, 1,1, oxyblis
002456-28-2
1.3
Decane
000124-18-5
1.4
3-heptane,2,2,4 dimethyl
002213-23-2
1.5
Sulfurous acid, cyclohexylmethyl
1000309-22-4
1.6
3-heptene, 2,2,4,6,6 pentamethyl
000123-48-8
1.7
1,2-Dichlorobenze-D4
002199.69.1
1.8
1,4-Dichlorbenze-D4
003855-82-1
1.9
Oxalic acid, cyclobutyl nonyl ester
1000309-70-0
1.10
1-Octanol, 2-butyl
003913-02-9
1.11
Oxalic acid, isobutyl octyl ester
1000309-37-3
1.12
1-Bromodocosane
006938-66-5
1.13
Isooctane, (ethenyloxy)
037769-62-3
1.14
Oxalic acid, allyl nonyl ester
1000309-23-7
1.14
1-Hexanol, 2-ethyl
000104-76-7
1.16
3-Octene,
014919-01-8
1.17
2-Propyl-1-pentanol
058175-57-8
1.18
1-Hexanol, 2-ethyl
000104-76-7
1.19
Dodecane
000112-40-3
1.20
Tetradecane
000629-59-4
1.21
Benzenamine, 3,5
000626-43-7
1.22
Silane, dichloro(3-chloropropyo)
003401-26-1
1.23
1H-Iden-1-One, 6 (dimethylamino)
058161-22-1
1.24
3,5-Dichlorophenyl ethylamine
1000306-63-2
2.0
Parts Per Millionth
2.1
2-Pentanol, propanoate
054004-43-2
2.2
2-Bromo dodecane
013187-99-0
2.3
Octadecane, 1-(ethenyloxy)
000930-02-9
2.4
2-Methylpentyl isovalerate
1000236-38-7
2.5
Eicosane
000112-95-8
2.6
N1-(m Tolyl)-N2-tetrahydro
332065-24-4
2.7
Azetidine, 1-me
004923-79-9
2.8
Cyclobutane, methylene
000292-64-8
2.9
Benzene, 1,1-(1,3butadiyne-1,4)
000886-66-8
2.10
Tricyclodecanedimethanamine
026655-37-8
2.11
6-Octadecenoic acid
000593-39-5
2.12
Cyclohexane, 1-pentyl
015232-85-6
2.13
4-Pentenal, 2-methylene
017854-46-5
2.14
3-Hexadecene
034303-81-6
2.15
2,5-Furandione, 3-(dodecenyl)
025377-73-5
2.16
Cyclohexanone,4-acetyl
005034-21-9
2.17
Oxalic acid, 2-ethylhexl isohex
1000309-38-8
2.18
Benzofuran-2-one, 4 amino-2
1000129-51-7
2.19
1,5,9-Cyclododecatrine
000676-22-2
2.20
Carbonic acid, decyl phenyl este
1000314-57-4
2.21
Dicyloxybenzene
035021-67-1
2.22
Carbonic acid, hexadecyl phenyl
1000314-58-0
2.23
Carbonic acid, Octadecyl pheny
1000314-58-1
2.24
Carbonic acid, phenyl tetradecyl
1000314-57-8
2.25
Phynl 3-deoxy-alpha,-d-ribo-he
1000133-06-1
2.26
6,7-Dioxabicylo(3.2.2)non-8-ene
006786-21-6
2.27
Beta-d-Mannofuranoside, phenyl
093524-17-5
2.28
N-Vinyllimidazole
001072-63-5
2.29
Decanedioic acid, bis (2ethylhex
000122-62-3
2.30
Glutaric acid, mono-phenyl ester
037526-03-7
2.31
Carbonic acid, Phynl undec-10-e
1000314-57-5
2.32
Heptadecane, 2,6,10,14-tetramethyl
018344-37-1
2.33
Oxalic acid, dodecyl 2-ethylhexy
1000309-39-5
2.34
5-Chlorobenzo(1,2,5)thiadiazol-4
1000311-77-9
2.35
Hexadecane, 1-chloro
004860-03-1
2.36
6-Nitroundec-5-ene
1000192-40-3
2.37
Butanedioic acid,2,3,dihydroxy
013811-71-7
2.38
Isoquinoline, 1,2,3,4-tetrahydro
029726-60-1
2.39
Pyrrolidine, 1-methyl-3-2-spiro
04029-14-1
2.40
Imidazo(1,2-b)1,2,4, triazine,6
094103-49-8
2.41
2 Propyn-1-one, 1-(2-thienyl)
056588-20-6
2.42
E-11-Hexadecen-1-o1
1000130-89-8
2.43
9-Octadecoi acid
000112-79-8
2.44
Octadecane, 1-chloro
003386-33-2
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/
I got the drift the 5X, 7X, 9X, etc. are from different factories.
