A MouthPeace is deftly put to use at 1:06, and a Nectar Collector is gold nosing the ooze at 1:24 at Chalice California 2015 in this tight little video:
https://youtu.be/Y22tFeeRK9w?t=1s
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Butane Residue Test Results
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A MouthPeace is deftly put to use at 1:06, and a Nectar Collector is gold nosing the ooze at 1:24 at Chalice California 2015 in this tight little video:
https://youtu.be/Y22tFeeRK9w?t=1s
So with all this research, whats the best option for, for purity and price, i want to spend around $2-3 a can, buying in bulk. Right now i just use Power 5x that i bought off eBay for a good price. Will I notice a difference going with a brand that is more pure?
Or could you recommend a brand that is better than power 5x but same price or cheaper?
Or could you recommend a brand that is better than power 5x but same price or cheaper?
Ignitus 11X $36/case
Special Blue 7X $35/case
Glow 5X $30/case
whip-it! 5X $35/case
Neon 5X $31/case
Moorpark 5X $31/case
eBay with free shipping
No one's ever going to know the difference from Power 5X, but still I suggest everyone use the the cleanest possible solvents. My older personal stash was extracted with the crappy original Vector before anyone knew better, and I have zero qualms about dabbing it... the Mystery Oil is so highly diluted you can't possibly taste/smell it, and if it's bad health wise, I challenged SCLabs and SteepHill at Chalice, and they refuse to even look into testing for it. SCLabs thought maybe some future "Standards Board" might come up with something they could work with if you then showed them the money...lol......................
Special Blue 7X $35/case
Glow 5X $30/case
whip-it! 5X $35/case
Neon 5X $31/case
Moorpark 5X $31/case
eBay with free shipping
No one's ever going to know the difference from Power 5X, but still I suggest everyone use the the cleanest possible solvents. My older personal stash was extracted with the crappy original Vector before anyone knew better, and I have zero qualms about dabbing it... the Mystery Oil is so highly diluted you can't possibly taste/smell it, and if it's bad health wise, I challenged SCLabs and SteepHill at Chalice, and they refuse to even look into testing for it. SCLabs thought maybe some future "Standards Board" might come up with something they could work with if you then showed them the money...lol......................
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Puretane sent me six cans of Puretane 9X for retest,
Puretane 9X #6 had 0.023g of residue
Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "15190 (1) 34674 01402"
Puretane 9X #7 had 0.024g of residue
Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "15190 (1) 34674 02436"
The non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil) was clear and had almost no odor.
Not good, and this is coming as news to them even though I discovered and revealed to them months ago they had QC problems.
Puretane 9X #6 had 0.023g of residue
Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "15190 (1) 34674 01402"
Puretane 9X #7 had 0.024g of residue
Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "15190 (1) 34674 02436"
The non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil) was clear and had almost no odor.
Not good, and this is coming as news to them even though I discovered and revealed to them months ago they had QC problems.
Payin abot $9 can at the crack pipe shop, wtf! I order ballasts, bulbs and the like online and delivered. Butane I'm buyin live and in color whew
I've been buying almost all the the butane I use for testing online, in my own name, delivered to my home address, and no one's come around asking what I'm using it for... if I was actually doing some commercial extracting I'd definitely be much more discreet.....
http://www.butanecoa.org/?p=66
For Immediate Release
Lahar MFG (Puretane) Raided by Federal Authorities
September 4, 2015
Lahar Manufacturing (Puretane) 4533 Macarthur Boulevard
# 2 Newport Beach, CA 92660
Lahar Manufacturing (Puretane) recently ceased all business operations because of failure to comply with State & Federal Regulations. A recent raid of their home offices were followed by all inventory, bank accounts and assets being seized by Federal Authorities; further putting the cigar and tobacco industry at risk. Lahar was shipping improperly & mislabeled hazardous materials across the country and marketing their products for misuse. These illegal practices are a direct violation of Department of Transportation (governed by the Department of Homeland Security) and are extremely serious. Shipping, handling, storage and sales of butane must be monitored by Hazmat certified personnel. Butane should only be sold for the sole purpose of refilling lighters, cigar/industrial torch lighters and portable stovetops.
Retailers whom rely upon manufacturers who mislabel and improperly ship hazardous materials, to increase profits, are at high risk for penalties enforced by State and Federal Governmental Agencies. Any retailer who knowingly sells products for anything other than its sole intended use is placing themselves and their consumers at risk.
Henry Martinez certified hazmat shipper stated “I just cant imagine butane being transported with improper markings, its putting millions of lives at risk”
Indicators of non compliant cans:
11x, 7x, 5x, 14x
Korean made
“Medical Grade”
Un numbers 2037 – HIGHLY ILLEGAL
Actions by these companies are a blatant disregard for Federal guidelines and industry standards. If you know of industry associates in violation of these regulations please contact the Butane Coalition of America immediately. All inquiries may be submitted anonymously. Thank you for supporting the Butane Coalition of America.
Lamar Mfg official statement – “Thank you for all of your support, but Puretane is no longer selling or making N-Butane due to the increasing number of people causing harmful explosions through ignorance and carelessness. Once stores sell out of Puretane, there will be no more. Be safe out there.”
For Immediate Release
Lahar MFG (Puretane) Raided by Federal Authorities
September 4, 2015
Lahar Manufacturing (Puretane) 4533 Macarthur Boulevard
# 2 Newport Beach, CA 92660
Lahar Manufacturing (Puretane) recently ceased all business operations because of failure to comply with State & Federal Regulations. A recent raid of their home offices were followed by all inventory, bank accounts and assets being seized by Federal Authorities; further putting the cigar and tobacco industry at risk. Lahar was shipping improperly & mislabeled hazardous materials across the country and marketing their products for misuse. These illegal practices are a direct violation of Department of Transportation (governed by the Department of Homeland Security) and are extremely serious. Shipping, handling, storage and sales of butane must be monitored by Hazmat certified personnel. Butane should only be sold for the sole purpose of refilling lighters, cigar/industrial torch lighters and portable stovetops.
Retailers whom rely upon manufacturers who mislabel and improperly ship hazardous materials, to increase profits, are at high risk for penalties enforced by State and Federal Governmental Agencies. Any retailer who knowingly sells products for anything other than its sole intended use is placing themselves and their consumers at risk.
Henry Martinez certified hazmat shipper stated “I just cant imagine butane being transported with improper markings, its putting millions of lives at risk”
Indicators of non compliant cans:
11x, 7x, 5x, 14x
Korean made
“Medical Grade”
Un numbers 2037 – HIGHLY ILLEGAL
Actions by these companies are a blatant disregard for Federal guidelines and industry standards. If you know of industry associates in violation of these regulations please contact the Butane Coalition of America immediately. All inquiries may be submitted anonymously. Thank you for supporting the Butane Coalition of America.
Lamar Mfg official statement – “Thank you for all of your support, but Puretane is no longer selling or making N-Butane due to the increasing number of people causing harmful explosions through ignorance and carelessness. Once stores sell out of Puretane, there will be no more. Be safe out there.”
ChasingGreen
Member
subbed, what a great thread, thank you!
Ooops!
With legalization, comes regulation.
Interstate commerce and truth in labeling laws have to be adhered to, unless you want the feds at your doorstep.
Consider that interstate transportation of flammable aerosols will of course draw the feds attention with all the epidemic of bho explosions around the country, as will anything cannabis related.
Truth in labeling is a good thing, which I hope to see more of in the cannabis industry. We need to move beyond the black market standards of "my shits is gooder than their shit", followed by impressive statistics pulled from lawrd knows where.
The feds are there enforcing legitimate rules, regardless of whether any of the agents are enjoying themselves just a little too too much, or not.
Sort of underlines the point that there are rules, and if we as an industry can't clean up our own act, our elected officials will continue to make more.
Not to mention that law enforcement agencies will start to enforce the existing ones with more alacrity, as it draws more and more attention.
I picked up a 20b tank of 99.5% butane from David at the Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions Long Beach distribution center to test for non-volatile residue (mystery oil.) I'll be returning the remainder to get my tank deposit back (the gas was gratis,) but this stuff was the cleanest butane I've ever tested, the residue had no odor, and only a faint trace of 'white powder' remained who's weight was way below the threshold of my milligram scale. Kudos
These are the two pieces needed to adapt the tank to 1/4" flare, they can be seen in my pics...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005R21ROE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AZ4D2U?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I used the markings on the side of the Mason jar to measure out 300ml of butane (I would have weighed it also, but my nephew borrowed that scale for his kid's pinewood derby project, and then skipped town through Thanksgiving... maybe I'll run another larger volume test when he gets back.......)
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions 99.5% had 0.000g of residue (from a 300ml sample)
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, USA, 20lb 99.5% butane tank
I boiled this off slowly (little added 'heat,') and when the temperature came up to about 70F I removed the bag and placed it directly on the blue anti-static mat, where by the time it was to 74F all the liquid inside the bag was gone, i.e., I never noticed even traces of volatile residues like pentane, etc... and no odor at this point, way before my next step of vacuuming the bag down twice to remove any volatiles/moisture. Just wow..............
Not that I'm advocating open blasting, the safety risk is just too great, but this stuff is imo righteous straight from the tank.
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Symbiotic AD
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I picked up a 20b tank of 99.5% butane from David at the Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions Long Beach distribution center to test for non-volatile residue (mystery oil.) I'll be returning the remainder to get my tank deposit back (the gas was gratis,) but this stuff was the cleanest butane I've ever tested, the residue had no odor, and only a faint trace of 'white powder' remained who's weight was way below the threshold of my milligram scale. Kudos
These are the two pieces needed to adapt the tank to 1/4" flare, they can be seen in my pics...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005R21ROE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AZ4D2U?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
I used the markings on the side of the Mason jar to measure out 300ml of butane (I would have weighed it also, but my nephew borrowed that scale for his kid's pinewood derby project, and then skipped town through Thanksgiving... maybe I'll run another larger volume test when he gets back.......)
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions 99.5% had 0.000g of residue
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, USA, 20lb 99.5% butane tank
I boiled this off slowly (little added 'heat,') and when the temperature came up to about 70F I removed the bag and placed it directly on the blue anti-static mat, where by the time it was to 74F all the liquid inside the bag was gone, i.e., I never noticed even traces of volatile residues like pentane, etc... and no odor at this point, way before my next step of vacuuming the bag down twice to remove any volatiles/moisture. Just wow..............
Not that I'm advocating open blasting, the safety risk is just too great, but this stuff is imo righteous straight from the tank.
Thank you for doing this test. Our company comes from nuclear pharmaceutical manufacturing and we recognize the importance of pure solvents, whether its water or hydrocarbons. And in learning about concentrates we all agree its good in/good out in regards to cannabis, so why wouldn't that hold true to the solvent.
We learned of Refined Hydrocarbon and purchased their instrument grade 99.99% Butane and Propane even though they were about 3x the cost. We have been nervous that our CofA for the tanks could be bogus, due to so many cannabis exclusive things being smoke and mirrors, but to see that you took the time to do this test and it was negative for many residuals give me a boost of confidence in our purchase.
Before anybody questions us; we preformed initial solvent tests using a Gas Chromatograph and didn't find anything concerning, but its good to see somebody "in the know" when it comes to butane confirming what we believed.
Thanks for all of your hard work SkyhighLer.
Thanks Symbiotic AD, and everyone else who welcomes my gut check solvent testing!
After discovering just how clean butane can be with my recent testing of RHS's 99.5%, I am very concerned about the refrigerant grade gases being distributed so widely.
Picture this nearly impossible, but revelatory hypothetical..... at a booth, at let's say the coming 2016 Chalice Festival, I side by side test RHS's 99.5%, Ecogreen's 99.9%, and Praxair's 99.5% & 99.9% with a few of the leading SoCal extractor's looking over my shoulder, and examining the results. A posted up video of the testing, by let's say by Weedmaps would get the shoot out to the public. Would definitely be of benefit to the entire BHO community, huh!?
Peace, Happiness, Freedom, and Security to all. Happy Thanksgiving!
After discovering just how clean butane can be with my recent testing of RHS's 99.5%, I am very concerned about the refrigerant grade gases being distributed so widely.
Picture this nearly impossible, but revelatory hypothetical..... at a booth, at let's say the coming 2016 Chalice Festival, I side by side test RHS's 99.5%, Ecogreen's 99.9%, and Praxair's 99.5% & 99.9% with a few of the leading SoCal extractor's looking over my shoulder, and examining the results. A posted up video of the testing, by let's say by Weedmaps would get the shoot out to the public. Would definitely be of benefit to the entire BHO community, huh!?
Peace, Happiness, Freedom, and Security to all. Happy Thanksgiving!
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Symbiotic AD
Member
I think it would be, but you would need to take it a step further and use an analytical instrument such as a Gas Chromatography to identify and quantify the mystery oil.
Even if you can prove that using solvents from other sources has more contaminates, meaning more polyaromatic hydrocarbons (benzopyrene in toxic at 0.2 parts per billion in water), I don't think the majority of extractors will switch. In Nevada the licensed producers are required to use 99% purity solvents, which is a step in the right direction.
In the pharmaceutical industry, regulated by the FDA, you are required to use solvents from a select few distributors... this because those solvents have undergone and passed the most rigorous testing and have the least possible contaminates. They essentially do what you have done, but to an extreme. I think this will be the logical step if it becomes federally legal, but in the meantime not many extractors are willing to dish out the cash for quality solvents, when they can produce a concentrate that 'looks' good. And this is sad.
I did a retest of Refined Hydrocarbon Solution's 99.5% 20lb tank as I wanted to test a larger sample, and to really give the tank a thorough shaking before taking the sample as I forgot the first time.
My post up of the first test,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7229147&postcount=645
The results even with twice my usual test sample size (I boiled off about 600ml this time,) were excellent, there was practically zero non-volatile residue (mystery oil,) and there seemed to be little to no volatile contaminants in the room temperature boil off range (like pentane, etc.,) but I found what appears to me to be extremely fine carbon dust left behind in the test bag.
The word from RHS is this is from the tank itself, it's from an earlier shipment of tanks from a manufacturer they are no longer sourcing from, all tanks are now inspected with a borescope, and they stand by their product, and will replace any tank with any contamination problem.
I was going to obtain another random tank from them, and obfuscate what I discovered today, but I felt like crap after setting up the deal with them, so I just got done explaining my compromised position I felt I was getting into, and unbelievably received nothing but understanding.... here's what is now agreed to, I exchange the tank I have for one I choose randomly from their new stock arriving in SoCal in a week or so, and give them another chance.
My apologies for the confusion. My 'confession' now allows me the freedom to admonish everyone (JC lol...) to be on the look out for these types of contamination issues. Take a look at the pics, brand new Manchester tank....
My post up of the first test,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7229147&postcount=645
The results even with twice my usual test sample size (I boiled off about 600ml this time,) were excellent, there was practically zero non-volatile residue (mystery oil,) and there seemed to be little to no volatile contaminants in the room temperature boil off range (like pentane, etc.,) but I found what appears to me to be extremely fine carbon dust left behind in the test bag.
The word from RHS is this is from the tank itself, it's from an earlier shipment of tanks from a manufacturer they are no longer sourcing from, all tanks are now inspected with a borescope, and they stand by their product, and will replace any tank with any contamination problem.
I was going to obtain another random tank from them, and obfuscate what I discovered today, but I felt like crap after setting up the deal with them, so I just got done explaining my compromised position I felt I was getting into, and unbelievably received nothing but understanding.... here's what is now agreed to, I exchange the tank I have for one I choose randomly from their new stock arriving in SoCal in a week or so, and give them another chance.
My apologies for the confusion. My 'confession' now allows me the freedom to admonish everyone (JC lol...) to be on the look out for these types of contamination issues. Take a look at the pics, brand new Manchester tank....
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No, he's up in Eugene afaik, and I'm in SoCal, he has my address. The reason I'm now testing RHS's gas is they opened up a distribution center within driving distance of me. I've been offered their 99.99% for testing also, so progress on getting a rough check of the quality of what's available is still ongoing, at least from this end. The refrigerant grade gas is so variable, and not tested by the distributors that I'm not interested in testing it, been there, done that with EcoGreen's.....
I am up in Eugene. GW has documented in this thread sending my gas to a 3rd party lab to have it tested, and it tested very clean.
I do have C.O.A's on all batch's of gas.
Sorry, the cost of sending my gas to brother SH remote location is astronomical ... I am confident that my gas is clean.
All my customers are happy, and no one has complained in the year that I've been doing this.
Thanks for keeping me in the loop
I do have C.O.A's on all batch's of gas.
Sorry, the cost of sending my gas to brother SH remote location is astronomical ... I am confident that my gas is clean.
All my customers are happy, and no one has complained in the year that I've been doing this.
Thanks for keeping me in the loop
Brother JColtrane
The third party forensic lab found that the 99.5% Instrument grade Praxair gas JC supplies, actually tests 99.9% purity relative to molecules larger than C-4.
Distilled once and polished through a VICI Metronics filter, improved quality to 99.995% relative to moledules larger than C-4.
Distilled once and polished through a VICI Metronics filter, improved quality to 99.995% relative to moledules larger than C-4.
I did a retest of Refined Hydrocarbon Solution's 99.5% 20lb tank as I wanted to test a larger sample, and to really give the tank a thorough shaking before taking the sample as I forgot the first time.
My post up of the first test,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7229147&postcount=645
The results even with twice my usual test sample size (I boiled off about 600ml this time,) were excellent, there was practically zero non-volatile residue (mystery oil,) and there seemed to be little to no volatile contaminants in the room temperature boil off range (like pentane, etc.,) but I found what appears to me to be extremely fine carbon dust left behind in the test bag.
The word from RHS is this is from the tank itself, it's from an earlier shipment of tanks from a manufacturer they are no longer sourcing from, all tanks are now inspected with a borescope, and they stand by their product, and will replace any tank with any contamination problem.
I was going to obtain another random tank from them, and obfuscate what I discovered today, but I felt like crap after setting up the deal with them, so I just got done explaining my compromised position I felt I was getting into, and unbelievably received nothing but understanding.... here's what is now agreed to, I exchange the tank I have for one I choose randomly from their new stock arriving in SoCal in a week or so, and give them another chance.
My apologies for the confusion. My 'confession' now allows me the freedom to admonish everyone (JC lol...) to be on the look out for these types of contamination issues. Take a look at the pics, brand new Manchester tank....
I exchanged the RHS tank tested above for another, and this time found nearly zero 'fine carbon dust.'
The procedure was to do two full tests one after the other, the first after gently removing the tank from the fridge avoiding shaking the tank as best I could, and the second immediately after a thorough shaking. Before each I squirted about 300ml into a quart pyrex measuring cup, cranking the valve over and over on and off, jiggling it as I did so to clear anything stuck in the dip tube and valve assembly. I did find a wee bit of 'fine carbon dust' in the bottom of the pyrex container after the shake, not much at all, and the Mason jar and test bag was clear, my opinion is they've got the problem under control. As to the actual amount of non-volatile residue (mystery oil,) I couldn't detect it with my milligram scale, and you guys are going to clean it further in your CLS's, aren't you, lol.
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions 99.5% #2 had 0.000g of residue (from a 300ml sample)
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, USA, 20lb 99.5% butane tank
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions 99.5% #3 had 0.000g of residue (from a 300ml sample)
Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, USA, 20lb 99.5% butane tank
First pic is the first test bag boiling off.
Second pic is the first test bag held up showing the unmeasurable, whitish non-volatile residue. Also shows a speck of the stuff that looks like carbon dust, there were two other much, much smaller specks in the bag.
Third pic is the quart pyrex measuring cup I shot the second clearing blast into, notice a few small black specks.
Forth pic is the mason jar I shot the second test sample into, notice a little bit of fine black dust. It didn't even show up on a paper towel.
Fifth pic is the second test bag held up showing the unmeasurable whitish non-volatile residue. No black specks.
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