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Butane honey oil for dummies
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yep i'm using a 6cfm 2 stage vac and hydrion oven. i do the first pull and afer the muffin settles and some of the big bubbles burst i get left with a transparent film ontop of my oil in places. it also seems to go a bit crystalline if that makes sense, i'm not sure i'm making it warm enough as it doesn't really look wet
If anyone has Wikipedia editing privileges, the Wiki 'Hash Oil' article needs some work, i.e., "After obtaining BHO in this method, BHO producers will then vacuum purge their oil in a vacuum chamber.[citation needed] The primary purpose of this step is to purge the butane still remaining trapped within the oil, because butane can have adverse health effects if inhaled." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil
"because butane can have adverse health effects if inhaled."
Oh, really... and they are?
"because butane can have adverse health effects if inhaled."
Oh, really... and they are?
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If you're in the US, search with the term BUTANE CANS at eBay, and compare prices versus quality using my Best to Worst Canned Butane List,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28
The Best to Worst list is updated after every test.
I'm waking up every morning now thinking I should get involved in the distribution of butane with the guarantee every lot that passes through my hands has been sample tested. I frickin' can't believe no one will take my simple test and own the entire market, not even a stone greedy MFer... beyond crazy, Superstition at full volume 24/7.
Here's my basic non-volatile residue ('Mystery Oil') test:
Cut the top off a one gallon ziplock bag to further reduce the weight (generic bags are fine.)
Fold the bag up, place a rubber band around it, place it on a milligram scale, and record the tare weight.
Open the bag up wide, fold the top down one inch to stiffen it so it doesn't collapse, and place the bag into to an evaporating dish.
Place the evaporating dish in another dish like you would when doing an open blast boil off, warm water goes in the second dish...
Squirt a regular butane refill can's worth of solvent (about 300ml/165g) into a quart Mason jar. See the video, freezing the jar and solvent is of benefit in keeping the blow-by to a minimum.
Pour the solvent from the Mason jar into the bag.
Add warm water to the larger dish to speed up the boil off.
After boil off, pat dry the outside of the bag.
Vacuum down the bag to remove any volatile residue (like pentanes,) and moisture.
Fold the bag up, place the rubber band around it, place it on the milligram scale, and record the final weight.
The difference in weight is the amount of non-volatile residue ('Mystery Oil.')
Divide the weight of the non-volatile residue by the sample weight, and multiply the result by one hundred to obtain the percentage.
Notes:
Here's a video of how to squirt liquified gas into a Mason jar, "New Method for making BHO" by Jamus Herbeau,
https://youtu.be/VTVRYk0Zdg4?t=1s
Here's the milligram scale I use, and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...d=1428083560&sr=8-1&keywords=milligrams+scale
To get accurate milligram readings every reading must be followed by a check with the calibration weights. I recalibrate over and over as the scale's readings drift as it warms up.
This test provides weight/percentage, odor, and tint of the non-volatile residue. Take a good whiff of the test bag before and after vacuuming down, there should be very little odor after vacuuming. Fold the residue area of the bag over a couple of times, and place on a white surface to check the tint. A little yellow tint is typical of Korean and Chinese gases even if it's good stuff otherwise.
Cut the top off a one gallon ziplock bag to further reduce the weight (generic bags are fine.)
Fold the bag up, place a rubber band around it, place it on a milligram scale, and record the tare weight.
Open the bag up wide, fold the top down one inch to stiffen it so it doesn't collapse, and place the bag into to an evaporating dish.
Place the evaporating dish in another dish like you would when doing an open blast boil off, warm water goes in the second dish...
Squirt a regular butane refill can's worth of solvent (about 300ml/165g) into a quart Mason jar. See the video, freezing the jar and solvent is of benefit in keeping the blow-by to a minimum.
Pour the solvent from the Mason jar into the bag.
Add warm water to the larger dish to speed up the boil off.
After boil off, pat dry the outside of the bag.
Vacuum down the bag to remove any volatile residue (like pentanes,) and moisture.
Fold the bag up, place the rubber band around it, place it on the milligram scale, and record the final weight.
The difference in weight is the amount of non-volatile residue ('Mystery Oil.')
Divide the weight of the non-volatile residue by the sample weight, and multiply the result by one hundred to obtain the percentage.
Notes:
Here's a video of how to squirt liquified gas into a Mason jar, "New Method for making BHO" by Jamus Herbeau,
https://youtu.be/VTVRYk0Zdg4?t=1s
Here's the milligram scale I use, and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...d=1428083560&sr=8-1&keywords=milligrams+scale
To get accurate milligram readings every reading must be followed by a check with the calibration weights. I recalibrate over and over as the scale's readings drift as it warms up.
This test provides weight/percentage, odor, and tint of the non-volatile residue. Take a good whiff of the test bag before and after vacuuming down, there should be very little odor after vacuuming. Fold the residue area of the bag over a couple of times, and place on a white surface to check the tint. A little yellow tint is typical of Korean and Chinese gases even if it's good stuff otherwise.
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Really
Really
Only the most irresponsible and fucking retarded would light them selves up with bho. Evaporating is the easiest part, after blasting in a safe place with a hot water bath and leave the immediate area after blasting tubes. just requires forethought in surroundings. And no electronics. To ensure more safety where all cotton to prevent static buildup
Really
Only the most irresponsible and fucking retarded would light them selves up with bho. Evaporating is the easiest part, after blasting in a safe place with a hot water bath and leave the immediate area after blasting tubes. just requires forethought in surroundings. And no electronics. To ensure more safety where all cotton to prevent static buildup
How tightly y'all pack tubes? Tough to describe tightness whew
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You can see from the images above that any combination or single solvent can be loaded into the automation system shown.
Tamisium Extractor Extraction Videos
These Tamisium Endorsed videos shed some light on extractors and extractions that will help everyone understand a lot more about extractors and extractions in general.
Thread Links
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=314650
Direct youtube links
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Features Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7HXKeXtnk
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Process Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htp_BZByyeM
Tamisium Extracts Slideshow - Customer Submissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEGzkMbo2D8
After watching we hope you understand, we hope you know how to extract better and what tools you need to accomplish your extraction goals.
If you would like to contact Tamisium Extractors please do so through the site. www.tamisiumextractors.com
or call 817 726-7525 call text,
or email [email protected]
Some people may see some of these products customers submitted in the slideshow and feel they could do better. I agree, you may be able to but better is relative. There are markets that dictate what a product may look like and those products will be totally different. I cannot count the times I have got off the phone with a customer asking me how to produce a hard shatter only to answer another call from a customer only wanting the oil this other guy was trying to avoid. Or how someone only wants to extract a specific compound when another wants the whole spectrum. These images are of all those products and it was done with one apparatus. Some of the products are not in the MMJ market at all. Some are eaten, smoked, or used topically or further cleaned or isolated.
In addition just like cooking or baking, you improve with time. When so many variables can alter the outcome you have to get a feel for what those are. Spend the time performing some basic controlled extractions while changing one variable at a time and you will be on your way to success.
Think about like this...
There are 6 extraction controls you can alter in the Tamisium Process.
With only 3 changes to those 6 controls you will have 18 different outcomes.
but if you perform those 18 extractions you will a firm grasp on what you are capable of.
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WeedyDoctor
New member
Thanx a lot
I want to try
I want to try
new to bho, familiar with qwiso, qwet and bubble.
Friend has some glass tubes a big and a small. So i might try some new sugar leaf out and some of the smaller popcorn buds.
1-With BHO is it better to dry out your material or to use fresh trim?
2-I have heard to keep the temp of the water in the pyrex under 105?
3-What do you do after it finishes bubbling on top of the hot water?
scrape? His first try was runny maybe water got to hot. At this point do you leave it on a hot plate? What temp?
4-is a vacuum purge required? If so cheap o vac chamber??
Thanks want to try it. Outside and carefully that is.
Hmmmm.......guess you gents are all passed the f out on this bho shiznits!
Friend has some glass tubes a big and a small. So i might try some new sugar leaf out and some of the smaller popcorn buds.
1-With BHO is it better to dry out your material or to use fresh trim?
2-I have heard to keep the temp of the water in the pyrex under 105?
3-What do you do after it finishes bubbling on top of the hot water?
scrape? His first try was runny maybe water got to hot. At this point do you leave it on a hot plate? What temp?
4-is a vacuum purge required? If so cheap o vac chamber??
Thanks want to try it. Outside and carefully that is.
Hmmmm.......guess you gents are all passed the f out on this bho shiznits!
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Clear oil extract tamisium TE175
Clear oil extract tamisium TE175
This was done with a TE175 and is clear as i have seen it so far. Notice how it darkens near the thicker center. The one on the right is from a TE3000. called it caviar. Both extractors could produce the same things as the others.
Clear oil extract tamisium TE175
This was done with a TE175 and is clear as i have seen it so far. Notice how it darkens near the thicker center. The one on the right is from a TE3000. called it caviar. Both extractors could produce the same things as the others.
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Shared from Tamisium Extractors - 4 kilo Full Automation
Shared from Tamisium Extractors - 4 kilo Full Automation
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
You can see from the images above that any combination or single solvent can be loaded into the automation system shown.
Tamisium Extractor Extraction Videos
These Tamisium Endorsed videos shed some light on extractors and extractions that will help everyone understand a lot more about extractors and extractions in general.
Thread Links
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=314650
Direct youtube links
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Features Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7HXKeXtnk
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Process Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htp_BZByyeM
Tamisium Extracts Slideshow - Customer Submissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEGzkMbo2D8
After watching we hope you understand, we hope you know how to extract better and what tools you need to accomplish your extraction goals.
If you would like to contact Tamisium Extractors please do so through the site. www.tamisiumextractors.com
or call 817 726-7525 call text,
or email [email protected]
Some people may see some of these products customers submitted in the slideshow and feel they could do better. I agree, you may be able to but better is relative. There are markets that dictate what a product may look like and those products will be totally different. I cannot count the times I have got off the phone with a customer asking me how to produce a hard shatter only to answer another call from a customer only wanting the oil this other guy was trying to avoid. Or how someone only wants to extract a specific compound when another wants the whole spectrum. These images are of all those products and it was done with one apparatus. Some of the products are not in the MMJ market at all. Some are eaten, smoked, or used topically or further cleaned or isolated.
In addition just like cooking or baking, you improve with time. When so many variables can alter the outcome you have to get a feel for what those are. Spend the time performing some basic controlled extractions while changing one variable at a time and you will be on your way to success.
Think about like this...
There are 6 extraction controls you can alter in the Tamisium Process.
With only 3 changes to those 6 controls you will have 18 different outcomes.
but if you perform those 18 extractions you will a firm grasp on what you are capable of. [/FONT]
Shared from Tamisium Extractors - 4 kilo Full Automation
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
You can see from the images above that any combination or single solvent can be loaded into the automation system shown.
Tamisium Extractor Extraction Videos
These Tamisium Endorsed videos shed some light on extractors and extractions that will help everyone understand a lot more about extractors and extractions in general.
Thread Links
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=314650
Direct youtube links
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Features Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7HXKeXtnk
Tamisium Extractor TE3000/TE12000 Process Summary Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htp_BZByyeM
Tamisium Extracts Slideshow - Customer Submissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEGzkMbo2D8
After watching we hope you understand, we hope you know how to extract better and what tools you need to accomplish your extraction goals.
If you would like to contact Tamisium Extractors please do so through the site. www.tamisiumextractors.com
or call 817 726-7525 call text,
or email [email protected]
Some people may see some of these products customers submitted in the slideshow and feel they could do better. I agree, you may be able to but better is relative. There are markets that dictate what a product may look like and those products will be totally different. I cannot count the times I have got off the phone with a customer asking me how to produce a hard shatter only to answer another call from a customer only wanting the oil this other guy was trying to avoid. Or how someone only wants to extract a specific compound when another wants the whole spectrum. These images are of all those products and it was done with one apparatus. Some of the products are not in the MMJ market at all. Some are eaten, smoked, or used topically or further cleaned or isolated.
In addition just like cooking or baking, you improve with time. When so many variables can alter the outcome you have to get a feel for what those are. Spend the time performing some basic controlled extractions while changing one variable at a time and you will be on your way to success.
Think about like this...
There are 6 extraction controls you can alter in the Tamisium Process.
With only 3 changes to those 6 controls you will have 18 different outcomes.
but if you perform those 18 extractions you will a firm grasp on what you are capable of. [/FONT]
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Vendor
less toxic than butane. ?? isobutane?
less toxic than butane. ?? isobutane?
Actually isobutane is not toxic and not less toxic than n butane because butane is not toxic either. Just to clarify.
Isobutane is not butane, not anymore anyway. It is an isomer of butane. There is only one butane in the molecular form. The letter N stands for Normal butane.
Nice post. Isobutane is actually a really nice easy to manage solvent though.
Butane is chosen because it is more selective. And when choosing a base primary solvent to select or target that is what you want. When you want to vary the polarity it is more consistent to vary from a known selective to widen the selection versus using one that is more broad like ethanol, propane acetone and so on.CO2 has the same problem among other things.
That is why butane is chosen over all others in addition to the fact that it can be recovered safely using distillation and it still boils low enough to be a candidate for volatile oil extractions.
None of this is neither here or there because any solvent, even toxic solvents, can be removed and even toxic solvents are commonly used to produce consumables, and even to kill pathogens during extraction. Some foods are immersed in toxic solvents to extend shelf life, after which they are removed or rendered non toxic by some type of molecular alteration such as in enzymatic reaction. Much like when beer or wine is made.
Another nice feature of butane is that it is predictable. This fact lends itself to automation processes where things are not so erratic and can be calculated more easily. Hence the Tamisium Automation process shown below. Understand that with an advanced automation process as shown any solvent the tanks are designed to handle in regards to pressure can be used in place or in combination with butane. You can see from the list that butane, isobutane and any other of over 100 choices can be selected to extract target or avoid anything during extraction from anything.
I see that you are sharing a lot of information so I wanted to share something with you and your readers.
less toxic than butane. ?? isobutane?
Actually isobutane is not toxic and not less toxic than n butane because butane is not toxic either. Just to clarify.
Isobutane is not butane, not anymore anyway. It is an isomer of butane. There is only one butane in the molecular form. The letter N stands for Normal butane.
Nice post. Isobutane is actually a really nice easy to manage solvent though.
Butane is chosen because it is more selective. And when choosing a base primary solvent to select or target that is what you want. When you want to vary the polarity it is more consistent to vary from a known selective to widen the selection versus using one that is more broad like ethanol, propane acetone and so on.CO2 has the same problem among other things.
That is why butane is chosen over all others in addition to the fact that it can be recovered safely using distillation and it still boils low enough to be a candidate for volatile oil extractions.
None of this is neither here or there because any solvent, even toxic solvents, can be removed and even toxic solvents are commonly used to produce consumables, and even to kill pathogens during extraction. Some foods are immersed in toxic solvents to extend shelf life, after which they are removed or rendered non toxic by some type of molecular alteration such as in enzymatic reaction. Much like when beer or wine is made.
Another nice feature of butane is that it is predictable. This fact lends itself to automation processes where things are not so erratic and can be calculated more easily. Hence the Tamisium Automation process shown below. Understand that with an advanced automation process as shown any solvent the tanks are designed to handle in regards to pressure can be used in place or in combination with butane. You can see from the list that butane, isobutane and any other of over 100 choices can be selected to extract target or avoid anything during extraction from anything.
I see that you are sharing a lot of information so I wanted to share something with you and your readers.
I was wondering, if I put 10g of Skywalker or em' Dog (in orde of the picture) how much oil its expected to get?
Thanks in advanceD
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An early Skywalker produced the closest to clear and colorless, than any other strains that we've extracted. In cotton candy form, it was pearlescent white, and in shatter form, it greyed instead of turning amber with added layers.
I don't remember the yield, but it wasn't startling one way or the other and we typically get 18 to 25%, depending on strain.
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solvent yields closed passive systems
solvent yields closed passive systems
In any solvent extraction where you can add time and temperature your yields will be the highest. More time and temp the higher but expect to max out at around 95-98% of what is in the plant. So that depends on what is in there to begin with. But with numbers like that you can use the process to tell you that.
The key is matching the polarity exactly and finding the right combination of all those controls.
solvent yields closed passive systems
I was wondering, if I put 10g of Skywalker or em' Dog (in orde of the picture) how much oil its expected to get?
Thanks in advance
View Image
In any solvent extraction where you can add time and temperature your yields will be the highest. More time and temp the higher but expect to max out at around 95-98% of what is in the plant. So that depends on what is in there to begin with. But with numbers like that you can use the process to tell you that.
The key is matching the polarity exactly and finding the right combination of all those controls.
