Butane honey oil for dummies

[Gray Wolf]

Pineolene, have you recently been kicked off of IGMag twice and are back again under another name?

Ya'll exbit the same style and logic. Please tell me that I'm wrong that it is
Dontstepongrass again!

 

[kushguy101]

RO water would solve the dead coliform issue. I won't defend unfiltered tap water, that why I use all RO and make all my own ice.
And purging water from hash is super easy. I partly blame bubbleman for teaching the world how to do this incorrectly. Even the term "bubble", that relates to wet hash more than properly dried high quality water wax. Bubbling is from decarboxylation and is minor compared to the melt, unless your hash is wet in which case it will violently bubble then melt.

If you break you water hash up... it dries pretty simple ..

I glass jar all of my water waxes less than 2 days after pulling, in grams, for the dispensaries. It never molds or mildews because I break it up thoroughly.

From one connoisseur, vendor and hash artisan to another that is fantastic looking. i would kill to get it into the shops i consult for (money never an issue, quality is so important) but honestly i just wanna get it into my sovereignty recycler or black label 50 x5 on the quartz nail I could see that easily bringing in $40-80 a gram depending on co-op and also the strain used i'm sure.

I myself am not here to say one way or the other who does the best or what the best method of extraction and purging is but i will say this...

i've made hash with just about every extraction method over the last 10-15 yrs and vended to many co-op's and even taught classes on bho. I consult dispensary's, i sit in on buys of 10 pounds of og's at a time for the busiest co-op's in town. Why?Well 1st to support myself and family but to make sure the product is what it's said to be and of the highest medical grade! I'm not a scientist or dr just a 25 yr every day smoker, grower and blah blah blah. Every minute of my life has to do with this lets put it that way.

Lately Ive been making lots of BHO'd amber glass, wax, white wax. And that is using shake and the nicest trim you'll ever see from a very famous boutique farm in humboldt. So only small amounts of really nice product then i do 2nd butaning and it's green but still table and surprisingly stony and tasy as hell people demand it in both forms the amber the wax and the greenish waxes when they are like puddy. It's flower products are carried by only one co-op, exclusively, in south orange county. I'll post some photo's of the buds and wax at the end i have a shitty camera but whatever

Either way i always go for the full melt bubble, i will walk right passed my own amber glass to get a full melt bubble anyday.. and what you said above i say to patients every single day of my life so thats why i quoted it cuz it's like FINALLY someone else believes what i believe and understands this, even though you did bag on bho, but if i had that shit, so would I...

have a great day.... again, sweet product meng..

kushits
www.kushits.wordpress.com
aka kushguy101

My youtube videos:
http://youtu.be/V7q1AGQBFN4?hd=1

 

[pineolene]

Pineolene, have you recently been kicked off of IGMag twice and are back again under another name?

Ya'll exbit the same style and logic. Please tell me that I'm wrong that it is
Dontstepongrass again!

thrice banhammered and twice self deleted (most recently). But the mod who I butted heads with is my buddy now and asking for h2o tips

Hey hashmasta K: If you were worth a 1/2 mil legit you would reconsider blasting tane as well. I have way too much to lose to commit felonies. My family depends on me to not get locked up for making concentrates, something that I can do legally. I took my lawyers advice, and stopped blasting tane...
Sour D ice wax

 

[pineolene]

From one connoisseur, vendor and hash artisan to another that is fantastic looking. i would kill to get it into the shops i consult for (money never an issue, quality is so important) but honestly i just wanna get it into my sovereignty recycler or black label 50 x5 on the quartz nail I could see that easily bringing in $40-80 a gram depending on co-op and also the strain used i'm sure.

I myself am not here to say one way or the other who does the best or what the best method of extraction and purging is but i will say this...

i've made hash with just about every extraction method over the last 10-15 yrs and vended to many co-op's and even taught classes on bho. I consult dispensary's, i sit in on buys of 10 pounds of og's at a time for the busiest co-op's in town. Why?Well 1st to support myself and family but to make sure the product is what it's said to be and of the highest medical grade! I'm not a scientist or dr just a 25 yr every day smoker, grower and blah blah blah. Every minute of my life has to do with this lets put it that way.

Lately Ive been making lots of BHO'd amber glass, wax, white wax. And that is using shake and the nicest trim you'll ever see from a very famous boutique farm in humboldt. So only small amounts of really nice product then i do 2nd butaning and it's green but still table and surprisingly stony and tasy as hell people demand it in both forms the amber the wax and the greenish waxes when they are like puddy. It's flower products are carried by only one co-op, exclusively, in south orange county. I'll post some photo's of the buds and wax at the end i have a shitty camera but whatever

Either way i always go for the full melt bubble, i will walk right passed my own amber glass to get a full melt bubble anyday.. and what you said above i say to patients every single day of my life so thats why i quoted it cuz it's like FINALLY someone else believes what i believe and understands this, even though you did bag on bho, but if i had that shit, so would I...

have a great day.... again, sweet product meng..

kushits

Thanks homie. I've been seeing your work posted in the extract artist group. Very nice indeed. I'm currently vending at Southbay CRC. But with the craziness that is about to hit SJ I may be vending elsewhere soon. I choose to let my hash be sold at 25 to 35/gram, intentionally, to undercut the bho market. Changing the perception of ice water extract one brain at a time. Who feels it knows it.

Thanks for the note. I've been wanting to link up with you.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf
Pineolene, have you recently been kicked off of IGMag twice and are back again under another name?

Ya'll exbit the same style and logic. Please tell me that I'm wrong that it is
Dontstepongrass again!


"thrice banhammered and twice self deleted (most recently). But the mod who I butted heads with is my buddy now and asking for h2o tips"


Bingo! I thought so!

So does your new found friendship with the ICMag moderator now give you free license to continue to post bubble hash information on a BHO thread, while denigrating the intelligence of those using oil?

Would you care to identify that moderator?

 

[pineolene]

Bingo! I thought so!

So does your new found friendship with the ICMag moderator now give you free license to continue to post bubble hash information on a BHO thread, while denigrating the intelligence of those using oil?

Would you care to identify that moderator?

lmao, I care to NOT identify (aka snitch). I only denigrate those open blasting tane as that activity is inherently high risk, that much is clear, so I'm not sure where your statement about "those using oil" comes from. I've already said: go tamisium or go ice water. You can get all butt hurt over something I never said nor meant to convey, thats your right, but don't get it twisted GW. Bhotards are those who blow up during bho extraction, there is about one per week that makes the news. I have a level of confidence in you to perform this safely, but this thread is bho for dummies, and dummies should stick to less flammable (better flash points at least) options.

Tip for "dummies" (from the thread title): MAKE ICE WATER HASH, YOU WON'T BLOW UP. Not only are bho explosions not covered by insurance, they are locking bhotards up after they get out of the hospital. Protective services will take your children away, that has happened this year.

In the words of Russ Bellville: "We've given prohibitionists something that looks like opium, uses a crack torch, and blows up like meth labs"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGB1L1b_z_A

Or check out this one for a chuckle "how to not make hash part 3" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm3QDKpWhnk

So yeah. dummies should try another form of extraction because this ^^^ is what happens.

 

[Gray Wolf]

lmao, I care to NOT identify (aka snitch). I only denigrate those open blasting tane as that activity is inherently high risk, that much is clear, so I'm not sure where your statement about "those using oil" comes from. I've already said: go tamisium or go ice water. You can get all butt hurt over something I never said nor meant to convey, thats your right, but don't get it twisted GW. Bhotards are those who blow up during bho extraction, there is about one per week that makes the news. I have a level of confidence in you to perform this safely, but this thread is bho for dummies, and dummies should stick to less flammable (better flash points at least) options.

Tip for "dummies" (from the thread title): MAKE ICE WATER HASH, YOU WON'T BLOW UP.

I thought not, but I am going to take a wild ass guess that they don't want you telling folks that you now have special privileges to torment them because your moderator buddy needs your H20 experience.

Not sure about the proper definition for bhotards, but as its creator your explanation works for me.

How about the word retard? That fits both for people that blow themselves with unsafe practices, as well as those mentally challenged that just don't get it, even after being banned three times.

Isn't making the same mistake over and over, while expecting different results one of the classical definitions for insanity?

Other than piss a bunch of people off, what do you imagine your postings on the BHO thread have accomplished and whose sagging ego is being served?

 

[pineolene]

To quote Russ Bellville again "one story like this blows it for the rest of us".

The storm is coming. It's time to restrict the cases of cans, much like spray paint they have fallen to abuse.

 

[pineolene]

I thought not, but I am going to take a wild ass guess that they don't want you telling folks that you now have special privileges to torment them because your moderator buddy needs your H20 experience.

Not sure about the proper definition for bhotards, but as its creator your explanation works for me.

How about the word retard? That fits both for people that blow themselves with unsafe practices, as well as those mentally challenged that just don't get it, even after being banned three times.

Isn't making the same mistake over and over, while expecting different results one of the classical definitions for insanity?

Other than piss a bunch of people off, what do you imagine your postings on the BHO thread have accomplished and whose sagging ego is being served?

wow, you need some reading comprehension classes because you only read what you've already preconceived. I never said that I have special privileges, just pointing out that I am not hiding here. And once again, you can get butt hurt over something I never said nor meant to convey, but that doesn't give you any validity. It makes you seem like you are fishing... pulling up your bait and calling it dinner. Good job super slueth, maybe stick to your day job, you seem to be much better at extraction than reading my posts. You wish you had something on me...

Wait... did you just call me a retard? lmao Professor Retard at your service And insane? Guilty as charged GW. I <3 you too!
Full disclaimer: I also never claimed to be sane. I prefer "eccentric" over "insane" because I'm not broke and I'm an artist.

If I can convince one noob to try a safe extraction method instead of bho, then I've accomplished something. Only time will tell, its already happening everywhere else I post.

Just taking a second to point out the personal attacks coming at me from long time members... prefacing with "imo" does not make an insult okay. But hey, its all good homies, we are basically on the same team. Backhand insults are still insults GW. Lets try to keep this focused on extracts instead of me... I love the attention but its way off topic

 

[Gray Wolf]

wow, you need some reading comprehension classes because you only read what you've already preconceived. I never said that I have special privileges, just pointing out that I am not hiding here. And once again, you can get butt hurt over something I never said nor meant to convey, but that doesn't give you any validity. It makes you seem like you are fishing... pulling up your bait and calling it dinner. Good job super slueth, maybe stick to your day job, you seem to be much better at extraction than reading my posts. You wish you had something on me...

Wait... did you just call me a retard? lmao Professor Retard at your service And insane? Guilty as charged GW. I <3 you too!
Full disclaimer: I also never claimed to be sane. I prefer "eccentric" over "insane" because I'm not broke and I'm an artist.

If I can convince one noob to try a safe extraction method instead of bho, then I've accomplished something. Only time will tell, its already happening everywhere else I post.

Just taking a second to point out the personal attacks coming at me from long time members... prefacing with "imo" does not make an insult okay. But hey, its all good homies, we are basically on the same team. Backhand insults are still insults GW. Lets try to keep this focused on extracts instead of me... I love the attention but its way off topic

Is my reading comprehension the issue, or do you need to consider what is running out of your mouth and all of the implications to others?

You are the one on an oil thread losing respect and pissing the oil folks off, not me.

I am not on the full melt bubble thread, even though I extract using ice water, because I have nothing to offer better than what is already published.

You will note that I am also on the Bubbleman site that you are a moderator on, but I don't post oil threads or dinegrate the intelligence of those whom like to use full melt there either.

If you have nothing to offer to improve BHO technology, out of respect for others, how about considering doing the same?

Your continued disrespect to the oil users on this site has already cost you our respect, and you are now working on damaging the respect for "your buddy" the moderator that allowed you to not only return after being thrice banned for the same thing, but to do the same thing all over again.

You have amply demonstrated that you have nothing positive to add to this thread, so if you have any worth while input whatso ever, I infer it is in how to make bubble.

Have you considered sharing that information on a bubble hash thread, or is your naysaying abilites on this thread as deep as your intellect goes?

 

[pineolene]

You will note that I am also on the Bubbleman site that you are a moderator on, but I don't post oil threads or dinegrate the intelligence of those whom like to use full melt there either.
... the moderator that allowed you

WRONG and WRONG. Either misinformed or delusional. Maybe a little column A and a little column b? Nice guess tho, way to reveal your hand. My fishing analogy was just proved true. Your assumptions fail and are not even close to correct... have a nice day homie. Im done informing bho noobs about the dangers of BHO extraction, they get it and I know you do as well.

For GW: BHO TIP OF THE MONTH...
Add a chunk of dry ice to your pyrex dish (or whatever you use to collect the 'tane). This adds CO2 to the environment and suppresses the tendency of flash explosions from evaporating flammable gases (ie vector is n-butane, isobutane, and propane mixed). This simple and inexpensive step reduces the serious (ie people have been dying from this) risk of making BHO

TIP #2:
Static electricity has sparked BHO explosions and pan fires. Blasting outside (of course) is the first step. But blasting on a humid day (over 50% RH) will significantly lower the chances of static sparking an explosion or fire during bho extraction and purging.

TIP #3:
If you choose to blast bho DO NOT use pvc as it is toxic, especially when running polar solvents through it. Stainless or glass extraction tubes only. And if you use glass triple check it for scratches or cracks.

Happy GW? Are you familiar with those tips? I have the feeling one of them came from you originally.

Here's my solvent ranking in terms of quality and purity. I'd love to hear your thoughts (this if for USA just as a disclaimer):
n-butane > colibri > vector > power

 

[Hammerhead]

you must have issues how many times does it take to get you the frak out of the BHO thread. This thread is very important to people that are just starting out. everyone here provides the correct way to extract BHO safely. Your just Mr negative you have this notion that most are going to blow up something when thats not the case. Most practise safe procedure those that dont well I expect they dont do anything safe. fwiw allot of the nonsense and hate your spewing does not need to be in this thread. If your trying to make a point in this thread its not working cant you tell. Time to move on we obviously dont wont to here what you have to say. Have a nice day

 

[pineolene]

you must have issues how many times does it take to get you the frak out of the BHO thread. This thread is very important to people that are just starting out. everyone here provides the correct way to extract BHO safely. Your just Mr negative you have this notion that most are going to blow up something when thats not the case. Most practise safe procedure those that dont well I expect they dont do anything safe. fwiw allot of the nonsense and hate your spewing does not need to be in this thread. If your trying to make a point in this thread its not working cant you tell. Time to move on we obviously dont wont to here what you have to say. Have a nice day

Did you read the BHO safety tips I posted right before this? As I said, open blasting flammable solvents is not for dummies. I'm a trained chemist, thats why I take this so seriously.

Also, I don't think everyone blows up from blasting tane. BUT one death is too many imo. There have already been several BHO deaths this year. Don't you see the tragedy that is? They could be learning here and then blowing themselves up. Safety warnings are more than applicable.

 

[Hammerhead]

so it's our fault that there not using SOP to run there gear lol. put that energy into drunk drivers or big pharma killing thousands with there pain pills. Your singling out a very small minority with BHO deaths. I dont like seeing people die from this just as much as everyone. If there that stupid to do this procedure knowing it can kill them without using the correct safety measures WTF can any of us do about that not a dam thing.

 

[pineolene]

so it's our fault that there not using SOP to run there gear lol. put that energy into drunk drivers or big pharma killing thousands with there pain pills. Your singling out a very small minority with BHO deaths. I dont like seeing people die from this just as much as everyone. If there that stupid to do this procedure knowing it can kill them without using the correct safety measures WTF can any of us do about that not a dam thing.

I do not subscribe to your world view. EVEN IF there is nothing we can do to stop these bho deaths, that doesn't mean we should not try. I am not blaming anyone here for anything ever. Just saying that the real world bho explosion tragedies, that are happening more and more frequently, need to be acknowledged and addressed. These exploding bhotards are learning online, thats a documented fact. This is the noob thread after all. Its the noobs blasting in garages and motels that are dying. I'm not on the advanced tami discussions, or other advanced threads, with all this. Not everyone who makes 'tane knows it commonly blows up and injures people. Many noobs blast indoors, super yikes. You and GW more than anyone, being the IC bho leaders of this bho noob thread, have the potential to prevent bho explosions, and the related injuries/deaths. You could be a life saver and never even know, but that life was still worth saving. Also, maybe the bad press for mmj, from bho explosions, will decrease, and I can keep my quasi-legal lifestyle. hopefully before some bhotard effs it up for all extract artists.

Rise up to the task, or at least let someone else lead the way. Making BHO is easy, not blowing up is the trick.

post edit: care to add to my ranked list of gas products?

 

[Hammerhead]

Im far from any type of leader or expert. I have been making BHO fro 6 yeas now with no incidents. The only one that can stop the bad practice of unsafe conditions is the maker himself. We have always made it clear that making BHO is dangerous if not produced in a safe way. They all know what is safe. If some dimwit wants to blow tane in his garage thats just plain stupid we cant stop these type of people from doing that. Just like we can't stop Joe blow from murdering his wife or kids. It out of out controll. The info is here all anyone needs to do is read and ask questions.

 

[Hammerhead]

Jump117, Hashmaster-Kut and GW are the experts here. They know what there talking about. You can not get any better info from anyone. If anyone newbie or not these are the people you want to ask question's. Any one of these guys know how the make the best and safest way to make BHO. I got schooled a few time from Jump and am happy to have learned the right way to make this. I have no need to make bubble anymore. Im more interested in this dry ice method right now.

 

[Gray Wolf]

have a nice day homie. Im done informing bho noobs about the dangers of BHO extraction, they get it and I know you do as well.

For GW: BHO TIP OF THE MONTH...
Add a chunk of dry ice to your pyrex dish (or whatever you use to collect the 'tane). This adds CO2 to the environment and suppresses the tendency of flash explosions from evaporating flammable gases (ie vector is n-butane, isobutane, and propane mixed). This simple and inexpensive step reduces the serious (ie people have been dying from this) risk of making BHO

Happy GW? Are you familiar with those tips? I have the feeling one of them came from you originally.

Here's my solvent ranking in terms of quality and purity. I'd love to hear your thoughts (this if for USA just as a disclaimer):
n-butane > colibri > vector > power

Thank you! I'm sure you are right about everyone getting it.

Thank you for the tips and since you bring it up, I use a closed system for butane extraction that operates under vacuum and there is no atmosphere to support combustion. I posted the information on that system on this forum, and if you desire more information, you might look up that thread on butane extraction and recycle.

Have you tried the dry ice trick? Just on the surface it would seem that the minus 78.5C/109.3F temperature of the ice would inhibit evaporation and the C02 wouldn't remain in place long enough to blanket it, if the extraction uses proper ventilation, to keep the heavier than air butane from pooling around the extraction.

Am I happy? I'm happy that you are attempting to add positive content to this BHO thread instead of naysay.

Thanks for touching on some practical safety points and for the reminder to bump my thread on butane safety to fill in more of the details for anyone interested.

To your question, I've tried all three of those butanes but don't use any of them for extraction. I use Power in my butane torch, that a patient donated to replace butane I used to extract their medications, before I started using a closed system.

My thoughts are that I would use any one of the three if it was most cost effective.

We actually use Lucienne 4X, which surpasses the <50ppm contamination standard for near zero certification. In point of fact, all three of those butanes and Lucienne measured lower than the <15ppm sensitivity cutoff of the test equipment.

 

[pineolene]

We actually use Lucienne 4X, which surpasses the <50ppm contamination standard for near zero certification. In point of fact, all three of those butanes and Lucienne measured lower than the <15ppm sensitivity cutoff of the test equipment.

Those mentioned products are different in polarity, being gas mixtures. Therefore they have different overall extraction properties. Vector is a mix of n-butane/isobutane/propane and Colibri is n-butane and propane. That is why, I can only guess, most people tell me they prefer colibri over vector, maybe they just assume higher price = higher quality.

Vector MSDS
Colibri MSDS


post edit:
Here's something on Lucienne, can't link the source cause ya know but Ill send a link if desired.

Lucienne
(I sent an email to the company and they sent me a copy of the MSDS, but it doesn't have percentages)
Chemical composition: blend of hydrocarbons consisting primarily of propane, iso-butane and n-butane

It seems that many different brands are made or distributed by Keen World Marketing Limited. According to their website, "These famous brands of lighter gas are all manufactured to the Newport system and are permitted to use the zero impurity benchmark.
I think this list is odd because I know that Keen World Marketing makes Lucinne- it was the address listed on the MSDS. Why isn't it on the list? Maybe that's because it falls in a different category.

According to them there is two groups of butane:

Group A
To produce a conventional flame.

The level of impurity content is not important for butane gas refills used for the purpose of producing a conventional flame.

Group B
To generate heat for butane powered thermal products, not requiring a conventional flame.

For all such thermal products the butane lighter refill must not have an impurity content above 50 parts per million (i.e. one part in 20,000 parts) because a higher impurity content MAY DAMAGE THE EQUIPMENT BEYOND REPAIR.

So Luccine may be one of the brands made by Keen that falls under Group A. London also appears to be made by Keen, which isn't listed as on of the brands, but it has the Zero Impurities logo on the can.

I'm not sure if all of those brands listed are made by Keen, because all the site says is they "are all manufactured to the Newport system"... But that doesn't mean they make them all. They have to be different because they list different prices for the various brands. (I also noticed that Luccine is n-Butane/iso-butane/propane and Colibri is only n-Butane/Propane, so two different compositions from one company).

Hope I could add a little insight into the discussion."

 

[Hammerhead]

what about Lucienne 4X this is what I use. It was recomended in this thread. Here is the list I was given as good butane to use

• Colibri
• Colton
• Cora
• CTC
• Lucienne
• Davidoff
• David Ross
• Dunhill
• IMCO
• K2
• Newport
• Sarome
• Silver Match
• Unilight
• Win