Butane honey oil for dummies

[Hashmasta-Kut]

My family depends on me to not get locked up for making concentrates, something that I can do legally.

i've never heard that any concentrates are legal really. if its concentrated into hash or oil its just as illegal isn't it? does cali state med law allow hash processing? as we all know, none of what you do is legal federally, so you are just hoping not to get screwed with, you never know. i have never been legal in marijuana usage, for decades before butane extract. i have no medical reason to use it, so i will always be in this boat.


looks like hash and oil are illegal to make, one line in here indicates this:

http://www.cannabissearch.com/articles/legalities-of-hash-in-ca/


"The production (meaning making) of hash and honey oil is illegal, even under California’s medical laws."

 

[pineolene]

According to what actually happens in court and on the ground with LEO, dry screen and ice water are for all intents and purposes legal in cali. My landlord is a cop just fyi so I'm going by police/court info here.

Here is what stops bho in its tracks, and Conrad tried it to the fullest. They can stick you with felony meth lab charges.

Section 11379.6(a) states: "Except as otherwise provided by law, every person who compounds, converts, produces, derives, processes, or prepares, either directly or indirectly by chemical extraction or independently by means of chemical synthesis, any controlled substance - shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years and by a fine up to $50,000"

Here's the CA trial where I get my info from. The court applied this to bho, precedent is set.
http://www.chrisconrad.com/expert.witness/Bergen08CalAppB203793hashOil.pdf

 

[Hammerhead]

can you post a link where it states the making of hash by using ice water or dry screen is legal?????

 

[pineolene]

can you post a link where it states the making of hash by using ice water or dry screen is legal?????

google defacto and then look for medical marijuana patients being convicted solely for their ice water hash lab in CA. I'm legit man. If you find me one ill buy one of Kut's curves from aqualab for you. $ where mouth is. what matters is what is really happening on the ground and in the courts. and we were just back on topic...

this is from the article posted above, and is highly unprofessional and unclear. he says illegal and goes straight past ice water/dry screen to solvents. fail article really. they supported nothing in this article. where's the references and quotes to actual law? laughable. find a better source of info next time, that didn't add anything factual to this.

As of October 21, 2003, Attorney General Bill Lockyer made it clear that hashish and other concentrated marijuana are protected under Prop. 215, saying that “Concentrated cannabis or hashish is included within the meaning of ‘marijuana’ as that term is used in the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.”...

Some contradiction and confusion lies in the exact legalities of hash oil, honey oil and other types of hash made from solvents such as isopropyl alcohol and butane gas. The production (meaning making) of hash and honey oil is illegal, even under California’s medical laws. This is due to the fact that unless the proper safety steps and utilized, making concentrates oils with solvents can prove somewhat dangerous. However, hash and honey oil is covered under Prop. 215 and SB 420 as a type of hash. This means that dispensaries are able to sell it and you, the patient, are able to buy and possess it, but it remains illegal to make it. I guess it just magically appears huh?

 

[Hammerhead]

meh Those are not mine dude those are Hashmasta fine work.

So how can Leo tell the difference between bubble and hand mad hash. Is it your opinion that all forms of Hash are Legal?? There are numerous busts for hash.

 

[pineolene]

meh Those are not mine dude those are Hashmasta fine work.

So how can Leo tell the difference between bubble and hand mad hash. Is it your opinion that all forms of Hash are Legal?? There are numerous busts for hash.

Were they medical? And were they committing other felonies? Links please.

Patients may get arrested for hash possession and making, but the charges don't stick if you get your own lawyer, unless you get caught with solvents. 215 does specifically include hash. Cops are figuring it out slowly.

All forms of extracts are defacto legal to possess in CA for medical patients. I've been let go with way too much hash in way too many jars, I told them I work for the dispensary. Its the extraction process (the action) that is still illegal for mmj patients. Not so illegal in CO for mmj patients fyi.

When I worked at the 2nd largest disp in the county we were told to lie to patients and press about our BHO, specifically not to say butane but instead just solvent. Then one of our vendors blew up his apartment and we stopped carrying solvent extracts.

These defacto rules are well known by CA extract artists, we call the concentrate cup "The Outlaw Cup" because its usually 90% bho entries. Tamisium won't even sell or do demos here.

 

[Hammerhead]

here ya go

I was recently arrested for FELONY possession of concentrated cannabis in Placer county, CA. The concentrated cannabis was less trhan one gram of hash which was LEGALLY purchased from a medical MJ dispensary. I showed the sheriff deputy who claimed to smeall marijuana, my medical 215 card, about 2 grams of cannabis, and about 1 gram of hashish. I was expecting the cop to probbaly just steal my pot and hash and let me go, instaed he charged me with felony possession of concentrated cannabis. There is apparently an option for misdemeanor poss. of concentrated cannabis in the Calif. health and safety code, and the felony option was added for the purpose of catching quantities of hashish equivalent to more than one ounce of plant material (the level where it becomes a felony). However the Placer county district attorney has instructed the sheriffs to charge all hash cases as felonies... even when there is less than a gram.
In the bay area and LA, hash is almost always treated the same as cannabis and is freely sold as medicine in dispensaries. The head district attorney for the entire state of california has said hashish is medical MJ, and Placer county sheriifs are still arrestrimg medical patients for felony possession of a medicine they purchased legally in the same state.

http://boards.cannabis.com/legal/153706-medical-mj-hashish-california.html

 

[pineolene]

Like I said, ignorant country cops can arrest patients all day under felony charges, but the charges don't stick. Was he convicted? There are many threads like this, but the longer ones all say the same thing: Get a good lawyer and you will walk because 215 includes hash.

If you are afraid of fighting some charges then you are in the wrong business. As hash makers we are political activists whether we like it or not.

I asked to see a patient conviction for ice water hash making (i'll settle for dry screen too) where they weren't also convicted of several other felonies... still waiting. Somebody has to want that free hashmasta kut piece... I know I would.

from Bergen's case tried by Chris Conrad:

Bergen’s acts fit squarely within section 11379.6(a)’s proscriptions.6 Bergen used the solvent butane to extract marijuana resin in producing concentrated cannabis. Butane is a flammable solvent as evidenced by its use in cigarette lighters and the like. He manufactured and chemically processed the concentrated cannabis in a lab located in a house situated in a residential community. Bergen’s activities thus posed a risk of fire to the residence and to the public at large. Bergen’s prohibited activities satisfy the criteria for a conviction of section 11379.6(a) and subject him to its greater penalty provisions. (People v. Coria, supra, 21 Cal.4th at p. 879.)7 Bergen’s arguments to the contrary lose sight of the fact he was not simply charged with producing or processing concentrated cannabis from marijuana plant material. He used a flammable solvent in the process of extracting the marijuana resin. It is this act—the use of a chemical in the extraction process—which formed the basis of the charge for manufacturing concentrated cannabis under section 11379.6(a).8

And we were just getting into the solvents, yall want to battle legality for some reason, I keep tabs on the court cases for hash makers. Back to the different gases and what the differences are.

 

[pineolene]

ASA is far more credible than that ridiculous article posted earlier.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Concentrated cannabis is legal under California's medical cannabis law, but police officers, public defenders, and judges sometime do not know what to do. ASA can help your public defender. Have a look at our legal FAQ at (link removed) Answer the question be be directed to the topic concerning concentrated cannabis. You can also email [email protected]

Concentrated cannabis or hashish is included within the meaning of “marijuana” as that term is used in the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.~ PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL REPORTS OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL State of California BILL LOCKYER Attorney General October 21, 2003

Here's a copy of the ATTORNEY GENERAL's reprort No.03_411.pdf
http://www.hmsllc.org/No.03_411.pdf
again bottom page #1 =
CONCLUSION
Concentrated cannabis or hashish is included within the meaning of
“marijuana” as that term is used in the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.
On the next 6 pages the ATTORNEY GENERAL explain why with leagle citations!

All from here, I hope the mods allow this link: http://safeaccessnow.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=2196

Then we get to this from ASA:

BUT HASH OIL IS NOT LEGAL - as of Aug. 2008 =
"Hash Oil" & "Honey Oil" ie anything that uses a solvent for chemical extration (Butain and so forth) is illegal. People v. Bergan 2nd Court of Appeals, Div. 1, Aug 2008. Mechanical speration (silk screen, ice bag and also non-chemical lipids; butter, cooking oil) are still legal for valiad medical cannabis patients. Solvents made "oils" are not. Items made with a solvent, can be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years and by a fine” up to $50,000.
Here's the full case: http://www.hmsllc.org/bergan1.pdf
Basicaly if its NOT made with a silk screen (KEIF) or ice bags (HASH) or butter or vegy oil (Olive oil et al) "Non-chemical lipids" - it is against the law - and is under 'drug manufactoring." The Bergan dission is quite clear on this and goes into the verious methods and which ones are okay and which ones (Solvent derived) are not!
Note: Cold CO2 extration method is NOT mentioned I don't know where that would fall.

http://safeaccessnow.org/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=2711

POINT BEING: that clearly by law concentrates of marijuana are legal under 215. BUT solvent extracts are still illegal to make according to the felony law posted earlier, the one Bergen tried to fight w Conrad.

Yeah, uh... this is what I do when I'm not dabbing guys.. I've also talked this over with my lawyer. Professor Retard at your service.
Back to the canned gas mixtures already ey... you can keep trying to convince me that I am misinformed but that is not the case. After all this I'm the one who should get a new Ti piece. haha j/k

 

[dramamine]

Quote: "Mechanical speration (silk screen, ice bag and also non-chemical lipids; butter, cooking oil) are still legal for valiad (sic) medical cannabis patients. Solvents made "oils" are not."



This is so asinine....I mean, they do realize that cooking "oil" is itself a solvent made oil, right? On that note, a large number of everyday cooking ingredients are made with the use of solvents.

 

[Hammerhead]

It does not matter for me legal or not. I dont make oil for resale. this thread is not about the legality of BHO. Let us know if you get arrested with hash if cought. If your concerd about it dont make BHO. No one is trying to convince you of anything. like wise you should not be trying to do it as well. what is the point you are trying to make anyway??

 

[pineolene]

It does not matter for me legal or not. I dont make oil for resale. this thread is not about the legality of BHO. Let us know if you get arrested with hash if cought. If your concerd about it dont make BHO. No one is trying to convince you of anything. like wise you should not be trying to do it as well. what is the point you are trying to make anyway??

Just putting the actual legal information out there so CA mmj patients can make informed decisions. Some patients will choose to make legal concentrates, some will not. Knowledge is power, and knowing the legal status of one's actions is important to many people. Some of us simply can't get locked up. Some of us choose family over the risk of getting caught making bho in CA, so we make dry screen and ice water extract.

We were talking about the different canned gas mixtures before my legal facts were called into question.

 

[pineolene]

Quote: "Mechanical speration (silk screen, ice bag and also non-chemical lipids; butter, cooking oil) are still legal for valiad (sic) medical cannabis patients. Solvents made "oils" are not."

This is so asinine....I mean, they do realize that cooking "oil" is itself a solvent made oil, right? On that note, a large number of everyday cooking ingredients are made with the use of solvents.

I can't support their logic, but the facts are plain and clear. I didn't want to go there but Kut called me out so I had to post up the real legal info. Ima put a blob on the nail for that one. Professor & Attorney Mr Asshat Q Retard at your service gentlemen. I'll be here all night, don't forget to tip your waitress.

We were just getting into the brand Lucienne 4X gas mix, and my resources claimed the product to be inconsistent.

repost:

post edit:
Here's something on Lucienne, can't link the source cause ya know but Ill send a link if desired.
Quote:
Lucienne
(I sent an email to the company and they sent me a copy of the MSDS, but it doesn't have percentages)
Chemical composition: blend of hydrocarbons consisting primarily of propane, iso-butane and n-butane

It seems that many different brands are made or distributed by Keen World Marketing Limited. According to their website, "These famous brands of lighter gas are all manufactured to the Newport system and are permitted to use the zero impurity benchmark.
I think this list is odd because I know that Keen World Marketing makes Lucinne- it was the address listed on the MSDS. Why isn't it on the list? Maybe that's because it falls in a different category.

According to them there is two groups of butane:

Group A
To produce a conventional flame.

The level of impurity content is not important for butane gas refills used for the purpose of producing a conventional flame.

Group B
To generate heat for butane powered thermal products, not requiring a conventional flame.

For all such thermal products the butane lighter refill must not have an impurity content above 50 parts per million (i.e. one part in 20,000 parts) because a higher impurity content MAY DAMAGE THE EQUIPMENT BEYOND REPAIR.

So Luccine may be one of the brands made by Keen that falls under Group A. London also appears to be made by Keen, which isn't listed as on of the brands, but it has the Zero Impurities logo on the can.

I'm not sure if all of those brands listed are made by Keen, because all the site says is they "are all manufactured to the Newport system"... But that doesn't mean they make them all. They have to be different because they list different prices for the various brands. (I also noticed that Luccine is n-Butane/iso-butane/propane and Colibri is only n-Butane/Propane, so two different compositions from one company).

Hope I could add a little insight into the discussion."

And since I clearly demonstrated the legal status of ice water extraction in CA, and illegal status of bho extraction in CA, I hope we can move beyond this issue to the quality, or lack thereof, of canned gas mixtures that are commonly used. Mirror test anyone?

ps. Hashmasta Kut and GW: you are both still personal heros. spread this legal knowledge and let the extract artists make their own decisions.

 

[juicepuddle]

Professor & Attorney Mr Asshat Q Retard at your service gentlemen.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Some pictures of raw fresh and cured BHO extract, as well as a polished cured one.

 

[Tokingham]

On a mirror test what are you looking for? A residue left behind?

 

[pineolene]

On a mirror test what are you looking for? A residue left behind?

Yes, the mirror test is the number one test for judging your canned gas mixtures. Just spray an ample amount of plain gas on a piece of glass or mirror, and give it 15 minutes to evap. All canned gas mixtures leave a residue, this residue is not easily purge-able from the finished extract. From my research Colibri leaves the least amount of residue (for canned gases, obviously n-butane from the welding supply can be cleaner, but you have to ask for the clean version, which brings the question from airgas: what kind of welder are you?)


80 pages into the bho for noobs thread and we are just now getting to the MIRROR TEST and the actual ILLEGALITY OF MAKING BHO IN CA... good thing I showed up.

 

[juicepuddle]

80 pages into the bho for noobs thread and we are just now getting to the MIRROR TEST and the actual ILLEGALITY OF MAKING BHO IN CA... good thing I showed up.

The funny thing is threads like this one are closed off to new ideas or any ideas differing from the norm. From what I have read and been told all BHO could be fully cleaned of solvent but people choose not to because they suck at getting moisture out of the product in the end. I like how crackling sound when you hit it is more important then inhaling harmful fumes.

As far as I know the law that makes it illegal to use butane in extraction was just passed like 7 months ago right? Makes sense to me if people are really gonna keep putting others in danger because of stupidity or ignorance.

 

[Hammerhead]

80 pages into the bho for noobs thread and we are just now getting to the MIRROR TEST and the actual ILLEGALITY OF MAKING BHO IN CA... good thing I showed up.

LOL did you even read the first post

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=516218&postcount=1

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

its funny, pineolenes location is supposed to be at a hash house, but his last 20 posts or so are all in the oil thread. he likes to hang out with the oil guys, but is scared to make it.