Butane honey oil for dummies

[Trichgnomes]

Good point! I am defining a single pass system as a column with a ~1/8" injection port on one end and a filter clamped to the other. My best yield repacking and with two runs was 21.6% and 100% of the butane is lost. Yield has varied considerable by strain.

I too used 1 1/2" tubing for my first ball valve controlled "soak" system, and use 1 1/2" Schedule 10 304SS for our butane extraction and recovery system that can flood, soak, or pump the butane through the material.

Butane recovery is about 100% , but best yield to date was 22.2% using a 30 minute flood, and soak cycle, where I flood with one volume of new butane every time the system pressure is pumped below -10" Hg. With the current system that is about ten to a dozen times and column volumes in 30 minutes.

Wow, impressive speed on that system.

The one that I used did not utilize any pumps, just temperature differentials to create a vacuum. The butane passed through all of the plant material in under a minute, but the recovery took painfully long (4+ hours).

I could have recovered 100% of the butane, but chose to use the remaining 15% (+/- 100ml) to pour out of the extractor into a pie plate, and evap off remaining solvent in same manner as open air extraction.

I'm still not really sold on absolutes, and find the most flavorful extracts to be a primary wash with non-polar solvent and evaporation of chosen solvent (butane).

Every experiment thus far I have had to sacrifice terpenes to remove ethanol entirely. While the product does seem to bee more consistent 'shatter,' and retains form for much longer, it is still not my preference. Have yet to try a vacuum removal of ethanol however, which I still remain optimistic for.

 

[ougro12]

Storage Question

Storage Question

Hey Everyone,
Love the thread and BHO, learned a lot from the experts here. I am on monitored drug tests for the next year and am going to convert my harvest into BHO/Absolute. My question is for those with first hand knowledge. What is the shelf life and preferred storage method of BHO and Absolute. Looking forward to the day. Vape one for me.

 

[Gray Wolf]

In the frige in a dark bottle. Shelf life is several years.

 

[ougro12]

Thanks

Thanks

Gray Wolf,
Thank you for your the advice. That is what I was hoping and should not be a problem. One other thing, the Ti pad is awesome and I would like to get one I checked out the HMK line on Aqualab and there is nothing. The other stuff I do not like or is cost prohibitive. Any online headshops or websites that you or anyone can recommend?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Gray Wolf,
Thank you for your the advice. That is what I was hoping and should not be a problem. One other thing, the Ti pad is awesome and I would like to get one I checked out the HMK line on Aqualab and there is nothing. The other stuff I do not like or is cost prohibitive. Any online headshops or websites that you or anyone can recommend?

Sorry, I don't know a good source for skillets other than HMK or Aqualabs.

I actually use an oil well and heated Ti wand instead of a skillet. I personally like them better and if you look on the general show your piece pipe thread, you can see pictures I've posted of them.

Alas, I just broke my water pipe and ordered a new one from Eloquentsolution. She can add it to her bulk order to the scientific glass blowers, so I don't have to have a minimum order run made. If you want to try one, you might drop her a PM.

 

[ougro12]

Thanks Again

Thanks Again

Gray Wolf,
Thanks for getting back to me and providing this info. Did some web searches and saw some okay things, but nothing I wanted to own. I have not ever tried an oilwell but they are sure to do the job. I remember reading that deeper is preferred and a there is some technique involved. Sounds like something I may like.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Gray Wolf,
Thanks for getting back to me and providing this info. Did some web searches and saw some okay things, but nothing I wanted to own. I have not ever tried an oilwell but they are sure to do the job. I remember reading that deeper is preferred and a there is some technique involved. Sounds like something I may like.

Yup, deeper is better. We have ours made at 1 1/2" deep.

Not a lot of technique involved. The temperature of the wand needs to be in the right range. I heat them up until they are dull red, which immediately goes away when I remove it from the flame.

I then lightly touch the hot ball on the end of the wand to the pool of oil and withdraw it slightly while inhaling.

If you jamb the wand in the pool or pull it out fast, you can splatter oil, but otherwise it works pretty slick.

 

[pineolene]

Yup, deeper is better. We have ours made at 1 1/2" deep.

Not a lot of technique involved. The temperature of the wand needs to be in the right range. I heat them up until they are dull red, which immediately goes away when I remove it from the flame.

I then lightly touch the hot ball on the end of the wand to the pool of oil and withdraw it slightly while inhaling.

If you jamb the wand in the pool or pull it out fast, you can splatter oil, but otherwise it works pretty slick.

this guy is a PRO dabmaster!

 

[alphaferret]

I have the O'kief ordered and a case of tane on the way! TI swing is my choice although I do have my eye on a nice dome set w/ educated ti nail. I have heard that there are a few glass nails that can produce a better or cleaner flavor-but as others have said the Ti stays hot soo much longer -gives you a lil time.

 

[Tokingham]

I noticed that quartz nails give off a taste the is overpowering to the taste of the oil. I noticed Boro breaks withing the first few dabs because the oil cools the glass too fast and causes cracks.

I really like ti and how it gives me true flavors of the oil.

I got a HE Ti skillet. PM me if you want it.

 

[Medicinal420]

First time BHO

First time BHO

Try'ed BHO for the first time today, used the SS turkey baster method and some Vector butane, went well had some butane leakage from the baster/butane connection. Smokes good though filled the baster only took about 4.7 of product, im not sure of the weight of what i ended up with but it smokes fucking awesome.

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[Tokingham]

I have found that I can always taste the mercaptans that are left from smoke store bought butane. I mean all, even 5x or no impurity butane.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

if it is liquid and not solid I suggest using less butane and or better material. You know it is pure when it is rock hard at room temp.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I have found that I can always taste the mercaptans that are left from smoke store bought butane. I mean all, even 5x or no impurity butane.

Ummmm, not sure where you live bro, but you may be picking up on something else, as all butane doesn't have ethyl mercaptan added, nor is it universally present in raw crude.

We extract more oil using recycled butane than any other method, and have yet to detect, or indeed have any test panel member detect any sulfur compounds in our finished oil.

If it has been added for leak detection, at 2.8 parts per billionth sensory threshold rate, it is for all practical purposes non removable and pretty much everyone can still taste it.

The crude that butane is fractionally distilled from contains other sulfur compounds like hydrogen sulfide, and it is typically removed by hydrodesulphurization, which is a catalytic process involving passing the crude through an incandescent catalyst like platinum. The elemental sulfur is then typically sold raw or converted to sulfuric acid for retail.

Some crude is sweeter than others, meaning that it contains less hydrogen sulfide, so the original source of the crude can affect purity of the end product.

 

[Tokingham]

Ummmm, not sure where you live bro, but you may be picking up on something else, as all butane doesn't have ethyl mercaptan added, nor is it universally present in raw crude.

We extract more oil using recycled butane than any other method, and have yet to detect, or indeed have any test panel member detect any sulfur compounds in our finished oil.

If it has been added for leak detection, at 2.8 parts per billionth sensory threshold rate, it is for all practical purposes non removable and pretty much everyone can still taste it.

The crude that butane is fractionally distilled from contains other sulfur compounds like hydrogen sulfide, and it is typically removed by hydrodesulphurization, which is a catalytic process involving passing the crude through an incandescent catalyst like platinum. The elemental sulfur is then typically sold raw or converted to sulfuric acid for retail.

Some crude is sweeter than others, meaning that it contains less hydrogen sulfide, so the original source of the crude can affect purity of the end product.

Actually they do. You have to order mercaptan free butane to get it clean. otherwise there is 15 ppm or is it called ppn? I forget but its in there.

 

[pineolene]

Actually they do. You have to order mercaptan free butane to get it clean. otherwise there is 15 ppm or is it called ppn? I forget but its in there.

from my research these canned gas companies only promise less then 30ppm contamination (sulfur and lubricants), and vey few of the companies actually list the level of contaminants. Neither sulfur nor lubricants can be purged... zero ppm ice water for the win!

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Actually they do. You have to order mercaptan free butane to get it clean. otherwise there is 15 ppm or is it called ppn? I forget but its in there.

its 15ppm total impurities, but thats not mercaptans, from inquiry i was informed by Colibri that what they cannot remove completely is oleaginous (sp?) wax particles, thats the 15ppm. They said they could remove it but at risk of minute charcoal particulates instead though, which would be detrimental to lighters.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Actually they do. You have to order mercaptan free butane to get it clean. otherwise there is 15 ppm or is it called ppn? I forget but its in there.

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May I see your supporting data brother TH? I believe that you believe what you just said, but your observation appears to fly in the face of the existing facts as I understand them.

On the other hand, I could easily be misguided and missing the whole point!

Less than 15 ppm contamination is what the tests that I have seen show, which simply means that their sample cut off point was 15 ppm, against near zero contamination standard of 50ppm.

It is equally possible that the measurements were zero, which is what the measure 15 ppm cut off point against a 50ppm, most likely showed.

Oleaginous waxes, as HMK noted, are the less than 15 ppm impurities listed in butane, not mercaps. Oleaginous waxes in butane are paraffin.


Is it possible brother TH that you are confusing the levels of oleaginous waxes with ethyl mercaptans?

At 2.8 parts per billionth threshold sensory perception, it would be extremely hard for anyone to miss mercaps in butane, and it simply isn't there by empirical bottom line testing by panel members. It would take a zombie to miss them.

Who exactly is providing your data that says otherwise and how are they determining their position? All butane, including 5X is pretty inclusive, with out regard to different suppliers!

 

[Tokingham]

I was talking to a guy over the phone at air gas supply. he said you have to specifically order mercapatan free butane or propane otherwise they have mercaptans, cannot remember if he said it was law or not. But that means all store bought butane or propane. These chems are hazards and could harm people if they cannot smell them. I read about kids blowing themselves up in an apartment using butane so my guess is that's why it would be required, not everyone is smart enough to handle it.

Call an air-gas supplier and ask about mercaptan free gasses.

Take into consideration the country that the butane cans are made vs the USA in regulations.

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May I see your supporting data brother TH? I believe that you believe what you just said, but your observation appears to fly in the face of the existing facts as I understand them.

On the other hand, I could easily be misguided and missing the whole point!

Less than 15 ppm contamination is what the tests that I have seen show, which simply means that their sample cut off point was 15 ppm, against near zero contamination standard of 50ppm.

It is equally possible that the measurements were zero, which is what the measure 15 ppm cut off point against a 50ppm, most likely showed.

Oleaginous waxes, as HMK noted, are the less than 15 ppm impurities listed in butane, not mercaps. Oleaginous waxes in butane are paraffin.


Is it possible brother TH that you are confusing the levels of oleaginous waxes with ethyl mercaptans?

At 2.8 parts per billionth threshold sensory perception, it would be extremely hard for anyone to miss mercaps in butane, and it simply isn't there by empirical bottom line testing by panel members. It would take a zombie to miss them.

Who exactly is providing your data that says otherwise and how are they determining their position? All butane, including 5X is pretty inclusive, with out regard to different suppliers!

 

[Gray Wolf]

I was talking to a guy over the phone at air gas supply. he said you have to specifically order mercapatan free butane or propane otherwise they have mercaptans, cannot remember if he said it was law or not. But that means all store bought butane or propane. These chems are hazards and could harm people if they cannot smell them. I read about kids blowing themselves up in an apartment using butane so my guess is that's why it would be required, not everyone is smart enough to handle it.

Call an air-gas supplier and ask about mercaptan free gasses.

Take into consideration the country that the butane cans are made vs the USA in regulations.

Ummm, because of our usage, I of course I have already contacted our local Airgas, and no problem getting mercaptan free N-Butane in 100# pots here, and similarly no problem purchasing mercap free butane at the local medical head shop. We've extensively used Lucienne 4X, typically supplied from either South Korea, or England, with no hint of mercaps added.

Butane sold as stove fuel in the US does contain mercaps, which is added for leak detection. It isn't added to lighter fuel because of the objectionable taste and smell and small quantities normally involved.

Even if people can't smell mercaps, they can still taste them. Very hard to miss at 2.8 parts per billionth ( not parts per millionth) sensory threshold.

The folks that I have read about blowing themselves up, did so from unsafe practices, such as extracting with butane indoors.

What can I say? Mercaps or the lack there of has little impact on mindless acts, where the issue is really ignorance or stupidity even after enlightenment.

Even after it has been explained to some folks, they either don't believe the explanation, or somehow feel it doesn't apply to them. As you have noted, some of them were dead wrong.