Bush Weed Seeds

[@hempy]

The DNA of a set strain is the most important factor of the out come at harvest you cant grow shit genetics in the best soil and environment and expect it to become the best smoke. You cant expecting a Shetland pony to with The Kentucky Derby because its been trained and feed the same as a thurabread race horse.

 

[Elmer Bud]

(Thai Buddha and Golden Buddha are brand names cooked up by Westerners that some Thais might repeat when selling to Westerners)

This is wat I was trying to say....maybe attached from the times it was being exported out.

Buddha is the word in the west .
Prha Puta Jao พระพุทธเจ้า is what the Thai`s call him . And Tong is gold ทอง.

Prha Puta Jao Tong- Golden Buddha พระพุทธเจ้า ทอง.

I too doubt they would be calling kancha Buddha .

 

[Donald Mallard]

The DNA of a set strain is the most important factor of the out come at harvest you cant grow shit genetics in the best soil and environment and expect it to become the best smoke. You cant expecting a Shetland pony to with The Kentucky Derby because its been trained and feed the same as a thurabread race horse.

while what you have said is true ,(cant turn a sows ear into a silk purse)
how and where a variety is grown will have a massive influence on the outcome , the soil type , the care ,, type of fertilizer or lack of ,, the watering and quality of water etc etc ..

these factors all influence the end product , the look , taste , smell etc ..

and its one of the reasons cannabis is such an interesting plant ,


even cuttings grown using different mediums ,, ferts , environments etc will have an affect on the end product ...

 

[LostTribe]

while what you have said is true ,(cant turn a sows ear into a silk purse)
how and where a variety is grown will have a massive influence on the outcome , the soil type , the care ,, type of fertilizer or lack of ,, the watering and quality of water etc etc ..

these factors all influence the end product , the look , taste , smell etc ..

and its one of the reasons cannabis is such an interesting plant ,


even cuttings grown using different mediums ,, ferts , environments etc will have an affect on the end product ...

I agree with both of you because you cant turn hay into ganja and Ganja reacts differently depending on the environmental factors even more so outdoor depending on the soil, sun spectrum and particular Appalachia's.

 

[@hempy]

while what you have said is true ,(cant turn a sows ear into a silk purse)
how and where a variety is grown will have a massive influence on the outcome , the soil type , the care ,, type of fertilizer or lack of ,, the watering and quality of water etc etc ..

these factors all influence the end product , the look , taste , smell etc ..

and its one of the reasons cannabis is such an interesting plant ,


even cuttings grown using different mediums ,, ferts , environments etc will have an affect on the end product ...

The plants DNA determines taste /color/ flowering time and the rest if an indica is grown in Africa or Afghanistan is still an indica Donald.

A person cant take a indica and turn it into a sativa by growing that indica in Hawaii.

 

[Donald Mallard]

The plants DNA determines taste /color/ flowering time and the rest if an indica is grown in Africa or Afghanistan is still an indica Donald.

A person cant take a indica and turn it into a sativa by growing that indica in Hawaii.

well i cant say it in capitals ,,


ill have one more swing at it cause im sure many here understand what im saying because they have seen it , but your not quite understanding yet , or just being obtuse for some reason ,



environment has a huge affect on the plant , it affects the taste , the look and even the color ,
yes an indica is an indica where ever you grow it , but where and what method you use affects the outcome , sometimes drastically... .. whether that is afghistan ,, london ,, or in a grow room ,, even the lights in grow rooms , the sort you use has an affect on the outcome , then if its grown in soil , organically ,, with chemicals ,, hydro etc etc , all these factors have an influence on the outcome whether you admit it or not , it still is going to and has always happened ,
thats how we end up with unique landraces , they are plants reacting to a different environment , adapting and becoming unique ...

 

[@hempy]

well i cant say it in capitals ,,


ill have one more swing at it cause im sure many here understand what im saying because they have seen it , but your not quite understanding yet , or just being obtuse for some reason ,



environment has a huge affect on the plant , it affects the taste , the look and even the color ,
yes an indica is an indica where ever you grow it , but where and what method you use affects the outcome , sometimes drastically... .. whether that is afghistan ,, london ,, or in a grow room ,, even the lights in grow rooms , the sort you use has an affect on the outcome , then if its grown in soil , organically ,, with chemicals ,, hydro etc etc , all these factors have an influence on the outcome whether you admit it or not , it still is going to and has always happened ,
thats how we end up with unique landraces , they are plants reacting to a different environment , adapting and becoming unique ...

What are you trying to say Donald that the Thai i grew only went Brown from the point the plants were harvested to dry in say 5 days was because of how they were grown ?.

 

[Elmer Bud]

well i cant say it in capitals ,,


ill have one more swing at it cause im sure many here understand what im saying because they have seen it , but your not quite understanding yet , or just being obtuse for some reason ,



environment has a huge affect on the plant , it affects the taste , the look and even the color ,
yes an indica is an indica where ever you grow it , but where and what method you use affects the outcome , sometimes drastically... .. whether that is afghistan ,, london ,, or in a grow room ,, even the lights in grow rooms , the sort you use has an affect on the outcome , then if its grown in soil , organically ,, with chemicals ,, hydro etc etc , all these factors have an influence on the outcome whether you admit it or not , it still is going to and has always happened ,
thats how we end up with unique landraces , they are plants reacting to a different environment , adapting and becoming unique ...

Genotype vs phenotype .
Genotype is fixed in the seed , phenotype is affected by environment .

Places where ganja culture is tradition put selection pressure for high THC for smokeable flowers .

Hashish culture prolly less selection pressure . THC , THC / CBD and CBD type plants all grow in the same field . All mashed together to make the hash .

 

[Donald Mallard]

What are you trying to say Donald that the Thai i grew only went Brown from the point the plants were harvested to dry in say 5 days was because of how they were grown ?.

just read what i wrote ,
there was nothing about what your talking about man ,
learn to comprehend a bit better hempy ,
i did not even mention harvest and drying , though it can affect the outcome also , the quote u quoted said nothing about it ...



its like pulling teeth somedays ....



i have seen weed dry brown right next to stuff that dried green , im aware it can happen ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

Genotype vs phenotype .
Genotype is fixed in the seed , phenotype is affected by environment .

Places where ganja culture is tradition put selection pressure for high THC for smokeable flowers .

Hashish culture prolly less selection pressure . THC , THC / CBD and CBD type plants all grow in the same field . All mashed together to make the hash .

i was going to go into that but figured it may go over the head of the person i was talking too and perhaps end up with an argument,
but thanks for adding that eb ...

 

[@hempy]

just read what i wrote ,
there was nothing about what your talking about man ,
learn to comprehend a bit better hempy ,
i did not even mention harvest and drying , though it can affect the outcome also , the quote u quoted said nothing about it ...



its like pulling teeth somedays ....



i have seen weed dry brown right next to stuff that dried green , im aware it can happen ....

I can read Donald but i just don't understand how we went from a strain called Golden Buddha and the high land Thai strains that were harvested with Green flowers and dried to brown flowers over say 5 days to this.

Are you trying to say that flowers harvested green and drying to brown is because of environment is this the point your trying to get to ?.

 

[Donald Mallard]

The DNA of a set strain is the most important factor of the out come at harvest you cant grow shit genetics in the best soil and environment and expect it to become the best smoke. You cant expecting a Shetland pony to with The Kentucky Derby because its been trained and feed the same as a thurabread race horse.

i was answering your post ..
and expanding on what we had already spoken about with this subject...



reading is one thing , understanding what is written is entirely another ....

 

[Donald Mallard]

I can read Donald but i just don't understand how we went from a strain called Golden Buddha and the high land Thai strains that were harvested with Green flowers and dried to brown flowers over say 5 days to this.

Are you trying to say that flowers harvested green and drying to brown is because of environment is this the point your trying to get to ?.

and yes it can happen that too slow drying and too much humidity can cause flowers to darken and go brown prior to drying , they often go moldy too in those conditions ,,


im not saying that is what happened to yours and i have seen stuff dry brown on numbers of occasions due to genetics and not drying environment ,
the point i was trying to make that you missed was golden thai/buddha was golden , not brown , it was probably going golden when it was harvested , then drying and curing exacerbated it ...



like how colombian gold was a golden color , etc ,
numbucca blue heads dried blue , etc etc ...

 

[@hempy]

and yes it can happen that too slow drying and too much humidity can cause flowers to darken and go brown prior to drying , they often go moldy too in those conditions ,,

im not saying that is what happened to yours and i have seen stuff dry brown on numbers of occasions due to genetics and not drying environment ,
the point i was trying to make that you missed was golden thai/buddha was golden , not brown , it was probably going golden when it was harvested , then drying and curing exacerbated it ...

like how colombian gold was a golden color , etc ,
numbucca blue heads dried blue , etc etc ...

How would you know what the color of the dried flowers from the strain called golden Buddha my mate collected in Thailand in the 80s looked like Donald ?.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Under vert lighting the leaves grow narrower and longer .
A lot of varieties will turn purple if the night time temps get low enough .
Too much nitrogen indoors and Haze wants to fox tail and take longer to finish .

All phenotype expression . Genes stay the same .

 

[ngakpa]

phenotypic plasticity is a really crucial and underappreciated aspect of Cannabis

morphology in fact does change hugely depending on conditions, e.g. leaflet width, height, branching, leaf size, and so can the terpene profile (if not the cannabinoid ratio)

everyone knows good genetics are essential

but far fewer people appreciate how crucial phenotypic plasticity is, a notable exception being people who've worked with a single strain for many harvests and "dialed it in"

in fact, the whole bullshit idea of a C. ruderalis species is based on overlooking phenotypic plasticity... dwarf plants from Siberia were dwarf because of extreme conditions

as a strain-based example, Lebanese grown out in humid tropical conditions shows ultra narrow leaflets, whereas in dry high altitude conditions it looks much more "Indica"

alleged ultra-long flowering Sativas are a lot to do with people growing in indoor conditions with lower light intensity and overwatered overfed plants

the best charas is grown at high altitude, where terpene profiles change, and morphology appears more Indica (leading to daft claims about different strains being used high up in the Himalaya)

quality is hugely affected by terroir and technique in Cannabis

same is true of other aromatic crops like tea - take a Ching Shin Oolong cultivar to Nantou County in Taiwan and you get some of the most expensive tea in the world, with terpenes, amino acids, sugars etc. off the charts

take it to northern Thailand, you get pretty mediocre tea that fetches a fraction of the price, and has a fraction of the aromatic content

terroir (and technique) are absolutely crucial

2p, but genes don't necessarily stay the same - there could be epigenetic change, change in gene expression involved in phenotypic plasticity

 

[harvestreaper]

indeed uv intensity rh can change dramatically even within just a 5 mile radius in many diffrent countries all we can do is follow nature's example throw the genetics into your enviroment and breed off them that deliver your requirements within that enviroment ,

 

[Donald Mallard]

How would you know what the color of the dried flowers from the strain called golden Buddha my mate collected in Thailand in the 80s looked like Donald ?.

is that a trick question ,


well my powers of deduction tell me something simply based on the name ,


secondly ,, where i lived when i was younger we got heaps of what you call golden buddha ,
and guess what color it was ??

 

[Donald Mallard]

phenotypic plasticity is a really crucial and underappreciated aspect of Cannabis

morphology in fact does change hugely depending on conditions, e.g. leaflet width, height, branching, leaf size, and so can the terpene profile (if not the cannabinoid ratio)

everyone knows good genetics are essential

but far fewer people appreciate how crucial phenotypic plasticity is, a notable exception being people who've worked with a single strain for many harvests and "dialed it in"

in fact, the whole bullshit idea of a C. ruderalis species is based on overlooking phenotypic plasticity... dwarf plants from Siberia were dwarf because of extreme conditions

as a strain-based example, Lebanese grown out in humid tropical conditions shows ultra narrow leaflets, whereas in dry high altitude conditions it looks much more "Indica"

alleged ultra-long flowering Sativas are a lot to do with people growing in indoor conditions with lower light intensity and overwatered overfed plants

the best charas is grown at high altitude, where terpene profiles change, and morphology appears more Indica (leading to daft claims about different strains being used high up in the Himalaya)

quality is hugely affected by terroir and technique in Cannabis

same is true of other aromatic crops like tea - take a Ching Shin Oolong cultivar to Nantou County in Taiwan and you get some of the most expensive tea in the world, with terpenes, amino acids, sugars etc. off the charts

take it to northern Thailand, you get pretty mediocre tea that fetches a fraction of the price, and has a fraction of the aromatic content

terroir (and technique) are absolutely crucial

2p, but genes don't necessarily stay the same - there could be epigenetic change, change in gene expression involved in phenotypic plasticity

agreed ,
ive seen examples of this ,
some of the afghani grown in more desert like conditions ,
only a few foot high when mature ,

when given lots of water and fertile soil it grows quite large,


sounds like i wont be buying any north thai tea ... 5555

 

[@hempy]

Well if that was the case then all strain descriptions would be invalid and useless to any person ordering seeds as an example an Afghan lines would not grow like afghans in lower elevations going by what your saying but they do.


I grew indicas and they looked and smoked like indicas i grew Sativas in the same area so what is really the reason for the Skepticism around any thing i post relating to Thai lines i have grown and continue to grow ?.


I say the flowers are green at harvest and dry to a brown around 5 days depending on temps but am told by people that never grew the line that it was not brown lol.