Bubba Kush

[VerdantGreen]

@Sushev i missed that post ! - sorry.
I would agree with most of that description, but i would say pre-98 bubba is a bit more 'couchy' than the high of their bubba as they describe it... there is a clear cerebral quality to the high but it does also sit you on your ass !
perhaps that breeder's seedline has a slightly different high than the pre-98, and of course as mentioned a few times it depends on when you harvest it.
VG

 

[JetLife175]

Chop her at 56-63 days you're going to get the up more clear headed high.

65-72 days it starts getting really Stoney but you still have the clear headed part.

80 days and it's a pure narcotic stone.

That's the beauty of bubba, you can tailor the effects to what you want. I haven't found many others that can do the same.

 

[kro-magnon]

ive tried s1 of many strains and was never satisfied so now i stick with the original clone only

It depends what you want from the S1's, if you want a perfect copy of the mother, it won't work but if you want to explore the different expressions the genetic can deliver you'll find some nice plants, some can be better than the mother.

 

[Sushev]

Chop her at 56-63 days you're going to get the up more clear headed high.

65-72 days it starts getting really Stoney but you still have the clear headed part.

80 days and it's a pure narcotic stone.

That's the beauty of bubba, you can tailor the effects to what you want. I haven't found many others that can do the same.

Do you need to start counting days from the moment the lighting timer is switched to 12/12 or from the moment the plant begins to bloom or something else?

 

[JetLife175]

Do you need to start counting days from the moment the lighting timer is switched to 12/12 or from the moment the plant begins to bloom or something else?

This is from the onset of 12/12. So once you flip your lights is when you start counting.

 

[little-soldier]

It depends what you want from the S1's, if you want a perfect copy of the mother, it won't work but if you want to explore the different expressions the genetic can deliver you'll find some nice plants, some can be better than the mother.

Im done with seeds. HUGE waste of time in my experience. ive spent 10s of thousand of dollars on 1 pack here of this, one pack there of that. It was all garbage. Anyone want to try finding a gem..pop 100s if not thousands of seeds from the same genetic and you'll have a much better chance to finding a gem

 

[BlueGrassToker]

Im done with seeds. HUGE waste of time in my experience. ive spent 10s of thousand of dollars on 1 pack here of this, one pack there of that. It was all garbage. Anyone want to try finding a gem..pop 100s if not thousands of seeds from the same genetic and you'll have a much better chance to finding a gem

Finding a "gem" is a subjective thing. If you are growing out an IBL or anything close to stable, you aren't going to find much genetic variation. Unless the line has known sports that can find their way out. To find something special I think you need to look at F1 of new crosses. But I ask why? (shrug)
To me a gem is one that is a very close to description.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hi @little-soldier , can i ask if you have grown MY Pre98 Bubba S1s ?

 

[kro-magnon]

Claiming all seeds are garbage today is a ridiculous statement, we have access to all the different types of cannabis imaginable pretty easily, it's just a matter of selecting what you like and what you want from your buds. Whatever you expect from buds, as long as it is doable, you can grow it today from wild landraces with minimal work to hybrid tailored for your environment it all exist in seeds.

 

[little-soldier]

Hi @little-soldier , can i ask if you have grown MY Pre98 Bubba S1s ?

no i havnt

 

[little-soldier]

Claiming all seeds are garbage today is a ridiculous statement, we have access to all the different types of cannabis imaginable pretty easily, it's just a matter of selecting what you like and what you want from your buds. Whatever you expect from buds, as long as it is doable, you can grow it today from wild landraces with minimal work to hybrid tailored for your environment it all exist in seeds.

obviously not all seeds are garbage but most are. most stuff out there is watered down in terms of taste but sometimes you can get lucky. I found 1 gem in all my career of growing and it was a freebie Kuntz strain. She has so much flavor and as you keep smoking it she just gets even more tasty. Unlike 99% of the crap out there where you get a faint taste and it dissapears halfway through the joint. Ive been growing for a long time and i smoke for taste only so im real picky but most are ok smoking watered down terps cause they dont know any better.

 

[kro-magnon]

obviously not all seeds are garbage but most are. most stuff out there is watered down in terms of taste but sometimes you can get lucky. I found 1 gem in all my career of growing and it was a freebie Kuntz strain. She has so much flavor and as you keep smoking it she just gets even more tasty. Unlike 99% of the crap out there where you get a faint taste and it dissapears halfway through the joint. Ive been growing for a long time and i smoke for taste only so im real picky but most are ok smoking watered down terps cause they dont know any better.

I think today there is a lot of breeders who focused on taste, the terpenes levels are higher now than ever and the palette of tastes available is huge. I have grown some seeds from TGA who had some very strong tastes, it was one of the goal of Subcool to make some tasty buds and in the crosses I've grown he succeeded.
The smell and taste are very important to me as well and today I find a lot of enjoyable flowers but it's true it can be a headache to find breeders who do a real good job. But as much as I like the smell/taste the high is as important, it is a whole who make some strains great or just soso.
I had some Kuntz freebee as well and found some excellent smoke, I made some seeds with some Acid Dawg pollen from Karma, this cross produced an outstanding tasting female, very sweet and very strong taste, very pleasant to smoke.

 

[little-soldier]

just like higher thc level, terpene levels dont really mean much because you can have a 21% thc bud that will get you higher than a 34% just like you can have a 2% terpene plant that will taste more than a 3%. I didi have some of TGAs jillybean back in the day and the taste was decent but the high was kinda funky for me, everytime id smoke it my ears would twitch. never had it from smoking any other strains

 

[kro-magnon]

just like higher thc level, terpene levels dont really mean much because you can have a 21% thc bud that will get you higher than a 34% just like you can have a 2% terpene plant that will taste more than a 3%. I didi have some of TGAs jillybean back in the day and the taste was decent but the high was kinda funky for me, everytime id smoke it my ears would twitch. never had it from smoking any other strains

This is just wrong a stronger level terpenes can't have less taste than a lower one, it doesn't make sense at all to claim this; it's not like the high who is made by more than the THC, the terpenes level has a direct influence on the taste.

 

[FellaAndrene]

This is just wrong a stronger level terpenes can't have less taste than a lower one, it doesn't make sense at all to claim this; it's not like the high who is made by more than the THC, the terpenes level has a direct influence on the taste.

Terpenes are not as important as we have been lead to believe, and @little-soldier actually made a percipient observation here.

Check out the new studies done by the peeps at Abstrax Tech:

Identification of a New Family of Prenylated Volatile Sulfur Compounds in Cannabis Revealed by Comprehensive Two-Dimensional Gas Chromatography

Cannabis sativa L. produces over 200 known secondary metabolites that contribute to its distinctive aroma. Studies on compounds traditionally associated with the scent of this plant have focused on those within the terpenoid class. These isoprene-derived compounds are ubiquitous in nature and are the major source of many plant odors. Nonetheless, there is little evidence that they provide the characteristic “skunk-like” aroma of cannabis. To uncover the chemical origins of this scent, we measured the aromatic properties of cannabis flowers and concentrated extracts using comprehensive two-dimensional gas chromatography equipped with time-of-flight mass spectrometry, flame ionization detection, and sulfur chemiluminescence. We discovered a new family of volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs) containing the prenyl (3-methylbut-2-en-1-yl) functional group that is responsible for this scent. In particular, the compound 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol was identified as the primary odorant. We then conducted an indoor greenhouse experiment to monitor the evolution of these compounds during the plant’s lifecycle and throughout the curing process. We found that the concentrations of these compounds increase substantially during the last weeks of the flowering stage, reach a maximum during curing, and then drop after just one week of storage. These results shed light on the chemical origins of the characteristic aroma of cannabis and how volatile sulfur compound production evolves during plant growth. Furthermore, the chemical similarity between this new family of VSCs and those found in garlic (allium sativum) suggests an opportunity to also investigate their potential health benefits.

Minor, Nonterpenoid Volatile Compounds Drive the Aroma Differences of Exotic Cannabis

Cannabis sativa L. produces a wide variety of volatile secondary metabolites that contribute to its unique aroma. The major volatile constituents include monoterpenes, sesquiterpenes, and their oxygenated derivates. In particular, the compounds ß-myrcene, D-(+)-limonene, ß-caryophyllene, and terpinolene are often found in greatest amounts, which has led to their use in chemotaxonomic classification schemes and legal Cannabis sativa L. product labeling. While these compounds contribute to the characteristic aroma of Cannabis sativa L. and may help differentiate varieties on a broad level, their importance in producing specific aromas is not well understood. Here, we show that across Cannabis sativa L. varieties with divergent aromas, terpene expression remains remarkably similar, indicating their benign contribution to these unique, specific scents. Instead, we found that many minor, nonterpenoid compounds correlate strongly with nonprototypical sweet or savory aromas produced by Cannabis sativa L. Coupling sensory studies to our chemical analysis, we derive correlations between groups of compounds, or in some cases, individual compounds, that produce many of these diverse scents. In particular, we identified a new class of volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs) containing the 3-mercaptohexyl functional group responsible for the distinct citrus aromas in certain varieties and skatole (3-methylindole) as the key source of the chemical aroma in others. Our results provide not only a rich understanding of the chemistry of Cannabis sativa L. but also highlight how the importance of terpenes in the context of the aroma of Cannabis sativa L. has been overemphasized.

Nonterpenoid Chemical Diversity of Cannabis Phenotypes Predicts Differentiated Aroma Characteristics

The recent increase in legality of Cannabis Sativa L. has led to interest in developing new varieties with unique aromatic or effect-driven traits. Selectively breeding plants for the genetic stability and consistency of their secondary metabolite profiles is one application of phenotyping. While this horticultural process is used extensively in the cannabis industry, few studies exist examining the chemical data that may differentiate phenotypes aromatically. To gain insight into the diversity of secondary metabolite profiles between progeny, we analyzed five ice water hash rosin extracts created from five different phenotypes of the same crossing using comprehensive 2-dimensional gas chromatography coupled to time-of-flight mass spectrometry, flame ionization detection, and sulfur chemiluminescence detection. These results were then correlated to results from a human sensory panel, which revealed specific low-concentration compounds that strongly influence sensory perception. We found aroma differences between certain phenotypes that are driven by key minor, nonterpenoid compounds, including the newly reported 3-mercaptohexyl hexanoate. We further report the identification of octanoic and decanoic acids, which are implicated in the production of cheese-like aromas in cannabis. These results establish that even genetically similar phenotypes can possess diverse and distinct aromas arising not from the dominant terpenes, but rather from key minor volatile compounds. Moreover, our study underscores the value of detailed chemical analyses in enhancing cannabis selective breeding practices, offering insights into the chemical basis of aroma and sensory differences.

 

[kro-magnon]

It says just at the beginning the terpenes contribute for 50% of the aroma so even if it's not the only composent it absolutely plays a major role.
This study seems to explain how other compounds play a role in creating different types of aromas but terpenes levels have a direct influence o the intensity of those aromas; At least that's what how I understand it

 

[FellaAndrene]

It says just at the beginning the terpenes contribute for 50% of the aroma so even if it's not the only composent it absolutely plays a major role.

That's the introductory part where they review the existing research literature. They later show their results which question this interpretation. That's just the way these peer-reviewed papers are written.

But yes, terpenes have influence on the aroma. It's just not the whole picture.

 

[VerdantGreen]

no i havnt

Thanks for clarifying that you have NOT tried my Bubba S1s...

I was concerned that your rant (in my Bubba thread) about how bad S1s and seeds in general are might lead people to conclude that you were talking about My Pre-98 Bubba S1s specifically....

VG

 

[kro-magnon]

That's the introductory part where they review the existing research literature. They later show their results which question this interpretation. That's just the way these peer-reviewed papers are written.

But yes, terpenes have influence on the aroma. It's just not the whole picture.

I don't see challenge this statement later in the paper. They used rosin from hash to analyse, that's a weird choice, why not using flowers?
Terpenes are not the only ingredients of aromas but the higher their level the more intense those aromas will be. You might not like those aromas but they can't be weaker with higher terpenes level as OP said.

 

[FellaAndrene]

I don't see challenge this statement later in the paper. They used rosin from hash to analyse, that's a weird choice, why not using flowers?
Terpenes are not the only ingredients of aromas but the higher their level the more intense those aromas will be. You might not like those aromas but they can't be weaker with higher terpenes level as OP said.

Oh, yeah, that was the skunky aroma paper. The later two studies go more into this.

They use ice-hash rosin because it's free of contaminants, and the high concentration makes it easier to analyze with their methods, I think.

You definitely can have 2 % terpene flower with an aroma that overpowers a 3 % terpene sample. Even terpenes are not equally strong in their odor potency, and you can have a very low concentration of camphene overpowering the high pinene contents of a sample.