Broad Mites?

[Storm Shadow]

Ladies and Gentleman

Kontos is here to save us all!!! Systemic Killlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I found Phantom(Pylon) to be the most effective contact killer of all the miticides....

Triple Action Neem + Phantom gave me some amazing results also.... I keep buying clones for the sake of testing for BM's... I have a room dedicated just for fighting BM's...

The PO BM's are EVIL AND IMMUNE TO FORBID ... But not Phantom and Kontos!

Kontos 1ml a gallon

Aint nothing But Broad Mite Killer Partyyyyyy

 

[Thomas Paine]

Thanks Philthy and Storm Shadow... you are both beacons of hope.

BTW - I too believe Forbid doesn't work anymore, at least against Tarsonemid mites.

I payed the $274 per bottle thinking it would, but no luck.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Other species with Tarsonemid Mites:

Other species with Tarsonemid Mites:

Since some people equate the damage on my plants to "heavy pesticide use", I will direct you all to these pictures of BROAD MITE damaged plants other than cannabis. I have provided inks so you can check the links for the Broad Mite connections.

Papaya leaves damaged by Broad Mites. Please note the the rounded leaf serrations, burnt away material, and general damage.

http://brisbanelocalfood.ning.com/

http://hawaiiplantdisease.net/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_broaf_mite_papaya_3.jpg

Fig Tree damaged by Broad Mites:

http://www.iranicaonline.org/uploads/files/Pests_Agricultural/pests_agric_fig_3.jpg

Brugmansia damaged by mites

http://www.forestryimages.org/

String Bean pant damaged by Broad Mites. Please note the failed bud sets and the damaged new growth at the meristems:

http://media.cleveland.com/insideou...s-osu-extensionjpg-b56b39a40834db03_large.jpg

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[Thomas Paine]

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Brugamansia damaged by Broad Mites:

Coffee Plants damaged by Broad Mites:

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/nelsons/coffee/mite4.JPG

http://cmf-mm.meistermedia.net/18039/Pest-Of-The-Month-Broad-Mite.jpg?width=400&height=400

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So as you can see, the damage these insects cause looks very similar to heavy herbicide (or pesticide) damage.

It is not. It is the mites.

 

[Thomas Paine]

So SUNSET LIMITEDS cure all for Tarsonemid mites is BACILLUS THURINGIENSIS

This is direct form his previous post.

What do you guys think about "Sunset's cure"?

 

[Thomas Paine]

There is a person with 1 ounce sample bottles of Kontos (Spirotetramat) on Ebay for only $20.50. Search word "Kontos"

Normally, the smallest size you can purchase is a liter for $170.00

 

[Thomas Paine]

Actually I meant 1/4 ounce bottles.

 

[Last stand]

I'm about 1-3 weeks in with different seedling and I'm super paranoid now after trashing my lifes work about 3 weeks ago. Is it ok to heat treat something this small?

 

[siftedunity]

eagle and floramite are worthless IMO. i'll trade them for flint, ridomil, and spinosad.



ummmm... ok.









i really don't have time to argue with you.

i hope you find whatever it is you are looking for. if it's an internet yelling match with me, you're shit out of luck though. you can't have that.

take care.

eagle 20 useless? sorry im new to mites but I don't get your issue with e20? pretty much one of the best systemic treatments for pm etc.

plus are you the guy neg repping everyone? even me for asking questions?

 

[GK1]

Ladies and Gentleman

Kontos is here to save us all!!! Systemic Killlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I found Phantom(Pylon) to be the most effective contact killer of all the miticides....

Triple Action Neem + Phantom gave me some amazing results also.... I keep buying clones for the sake of testing for BM's... I have a room dedicated just for fighting BM's...

The PO BM's are EVIL AND IMMUNE TO FORBID ... But not Phantom and Kontos!

Kontos 1ml a gallon

Aint nothing But Broad Mite Killer Partyyyyyy

Kontos will NOT work to cure an infestation.....it barely works as a preventative.

 

[GK1]

All this talk about Forbid not working is horseshit......Forbid has a 4-10 day knockdown so the little jokers keep feeding for up to ten days! In my trials it also did NOT have ovicidal properties on BM's..... not a good choice for first application. Furthermore, Forbid is fairly phytotoxic.....doubling the recommended dosage or doing back to back applications to soon causes tremendous phytotoxic issues that manifest in symptoms that look EXACTLY like BM damage. So you have a 4-10 day knockdown and your re applying in 3-5 days? Doesn't make sense, isn't how the manufacturer recommends and your plants go through a "dud" phase that makes you so frustrated you toss your prized genetics. Gee, sounds like I've been there, huh? I don't want to argue this, just want to present some info for those still scratching their heads. What you do with it is up to you.

If you'd like to get away from poison's take a look at Nukem. I'm about 3 weeks from harvest and no signs or issues. None.

I battled BM's for a long time.....the issue is proper identification not eradication. Its really easy......Avid,Pylon,Akari,Forbid any one of those in a rotation with one application in veg. Add an ovicide such as Tetra-San. Heat treat your room in between runs. Thats it. I had BM's for almost 18 months before I was able to diagnose. The only thing I didn't mistake them for was TMV . Going "nuclear" and adding double strength Forbid did as much damage as the BM's. I have tossed out plants.....but in hindsight it was from improper applications of miticides rather than the bug itself. I am so confident that I took in cuts that were known to have BM's because my patients desperately needed that particular strain. I dealt with them and its over.

A thought on why I don't like heat treatment and why some people seem to have issues.....around 105f stomata completely close in an effort to conserve the water that is being lost.....the cell cannot vent heat or offgas.....the cell builds pressure and eventually bursts. Adding air fans simply increases the stress on cells and they burst sooner. Which is why the heat crowd always advises "no fans". Given this knowledge it should also be clear that what you've been foliar feeding or spraying as treatments is going to be locked in as well and will contribute greatly to the relative damage to your plants. Any translaminar miticides recently? You prob dont want to heat treat right after. The more you have applied to the leaf, the more potential for disaster. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Bro Science 101 above

http://www.syngentaflowers.com/coun...smithSeeds_PDF/WhitePapers/Mite Rotations.pdf

Tetrasan for Tarsonemid mites as an ovicide?

Forbid is the only one that can do this... also It says This on the Kontos Label my friend

http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/kontos_label.pdf

Mites - If populations are heavy at the time of application, control may not be achieved rapidly enough to prevent economic damage
to the plant. Make applications preventatively, or when populations are first detected use the higher dosage (3.4 fl oz of product).​

KONTOS​

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will not control heavy populations of existing mites. If a second miticide application is necessary to achieve control,​

use a product with an alternative mode of action. Tarsonemid Mites

So After you wreck havoc on their population with Avid, Phantom, Forbid. XYZ...ETC... Kontos will be your systemic preventive...

This works on PO'S CLONES which are more tainted than a pack of #2 Pencils from China ....

 

[GK1]

I have all of those products on the shelf kinda thing. I don't care what the label on Forbid says, my personal experience with it proved something far different. Tetra-San does not list BM's but again, my personal experience says differently.

Not sure what your point about Kontos is.....it seems what you pasted backs up what I said.....did NOT work for infestation and is currently NOT showing well as a preventative. It seems Kontos is new to you but not to me. I speak from personal experience only. Not to mention you are advocating a systemic miticide...........Peace.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Thanks for making my point pretty clear...

Your Opinion (BRO SCIENCE) vs Big Multi-Billion Dollar Corps....

Hmmmmm.... No brainer?

 

[CannaBandit]

I just dropped Pylon bombs in veg yesturday and today everything is standing up and reaching for the light...best overnight result since adding aspirin.

Can someone please post a link to a recommended space heater with no thermal circuit protection?

 

[GK1]

Thanks for making my point pretty clear...

Your Opinion (BRO SCIENCE) vs Big Multi-Billion Dollar Corps....

Hmmmmm.... No brainer?

Its not an opinion, its real experience. The fact that you don't understand why we should question "Big Multi-Billion Dollar Corps" says quite a bit about you.....i'll leave it at that.
I will add that i found Kontos some time ago and called OHP about it. Regardless of what the label says the guy at the other end indicated there were far better options for BM's. He pointed me in the direction of Pylon, the best product I've found. Second is Akari. Akari is very good against the POG strain of BM .

I will not apologize for not being hoodwinked by a label. Nor will I cease to dispense what is real world experience. Call it whatever you want......I speak of experience. Nor will I hesitate to contribute because I don't have enough little green dots behind my name.

But I'm glad you found the "answer".....a systemic poison that doesn't work. Good for you. Blech.

Thanks for the Pylon/Phantom tip tho.....that one saved me big coin.

Peace.

 

[Thomas Paine]

re:

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I know Forbid did not work (for me), because even weeks after a few treatments, I still saw eggs, and new plants that were not treated with ANYTHING yet got chewed up and "duded-out".

As soon as I used Avid I noticed a huge difference. Only 4 drops per liter.

So there you go.

If you think I am drowning my plants in poison and then heating them up and then ruining them... please check my album pictures. I am not that naive.

Look at the quality of what I do. I have helped with 500+ lb grows and I have done small autoflowering runs with just T5's. I am not a beginner. I am 20+ years deep into this game.

Looking for hep and looking to share knowledge.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Looking for Hep?

Hep B or C... LOL

I meant help DOH !

 

[Thomas Paine]

Hey GK1 thanks for the Pylon/Phantom success story.

You are another beacon of light.

Would you recommend the Pylon instead of the Forbid, or use both in succession?

Thanks again!

 

[RetroGrow]

1 treatment of avid a few days later a treatment with forbid. a few days later avid again. problem solved. i did this with over 80 plants and have been broad mite free for a long while now.

That's good news. I'm surprised they haven't re-entered your room though (from elsewhere in your environment or from outside). Knocking them down is one thing, but keeping them from re-entering your space is the most difficult part, IMO. How do you explain it? I'm guessing you originally got them from clones, and don't have them in your yard?