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Broad Mites?
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yes. 50 ml/gal gives a good wetting effect. makes a nice leaf polish too. if you want to go another route, southern ag makes a spreader-sticker that works very well also. a much better adjuvant than sm-90 IMO.
are you rotating your mode of action or are you just hitting them again and again with the same chemical and selecting for that one in a million mite that is resistant to abamectin until it's been the only one that reproduces until you've got a whole colony of mites that aren't affected by it in the slightest?
have you ever read anywhere in any industry or academic literature a recommendation to treat with avid 6-9 times in 3 weeks? i'm not saying you're making this up as you go along, but i am a nurseryman by trade, and i can't imagine anyone with a qualified professional opinion saying such a thing. anything is possible though.
when applied frequently enough, abamactin is phytotoxic and mutagenic. can't say for sure, but it's entirely possible that you're causing your foliage to come in gnarled as it is by poisoning your plants. it would be consistent with your plants in the other room still behaving normally.
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I am using your aspirin recipe (325 mg per gallon), but not Silica.
I have a gallon bottle of Silica Blast, I will start adding it.
& thank you
IF the silica and aspirin have any effect on the pest mites, do you imagine that they might also harm the predators you plan to use as a biocontrol? i know for a fact that avid has a residual action. sounds to me like you might be working against yourself, doing too much too close together. in the very best case scenario you will have no way of knowing which of your 4 or 5 controls was effective and which were not.
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i have one valley og that remains looking rather poorly. of course, it's it's also quarantined. yesterday i sprayed with gnatrol (B. turingiensis var. israelensis). it's a shot in the dark, but i'm hoping to observe some improvement. pictures to follow.
this is all just my opinion though. i don't pretend to know anything about anything. if i did, i'd be selling you guys something instead of hanging out in the trenches trying to sort this shit out like everybody else. if you don't like what i have to say, feel free to ignore me. my feelings won't be hurt.
Well, you had a great post going, until you added this part. Predators are carnivores. They eat other mites, not the plant, whereas Broads & Cyclamens feed on the plant. The silica makes that more difficult. So the predators are not affected by the silica at all. The aspirin boosts the plants immune system, helping it to fight off the toxins injected by the BMs.
point taken. i don't know jack about aspirin therapy and for some reason i thought we were talking about using silica as a foliar, like you would for PM for instance.
i don't believe the avid cares what the mites eat though. doesn't make much sense to release your bennies into a poison environment.
i don't believe the avid cares what the mites eat though. doesn't make much sense to release your bennies into a poison environment.
You're right. There are a lot of negative reps in this thread. Certain individuals are singled out, and then all their posts are neg repped. It's happened to a bunch of us. Once they decide they don't like/agree with you, they neg rep all your posts. Pretty cowardly. At least explain what is wrong with the post if you are neg repping. Now, some posts deserve neg reps, but many don't. They are just petty, spiteful neg reps.
Good idea, but you are going to need a lot more than 5000, depending on how many plants you are treating. 50,000 would be more like it to start, especially if you are going to be putting them outside and inside. Think 1000 per plant.
Right. Poisons will kill predators also.
I only have 6 small plants (in red party cups).... LOL
Everything else has been tossed already.
And then 6 outside I'll put the rest on. Order another 5,000 in a week.
5,000 should be more than enough for 6 plants inside, don't U think?
I spoke to the owner of Biconet, he said I should only need 1,000, but I ordered 5,000
Everything else has been tossed already.
And then 6 outside I'll put the rest on. Order another 5,000 in a week.
5,000 should be more than enough for 6 plants inside, don't U think?
I spoke to the owner of Biconet, he said I should only need 1,000, but I ordered 5,000
That train already done came through and ran my fucking plants over.
And then backed up on them.
Know your enemy:
Polyphagotarsonemus latus (Broad Mite)
Polyphagotarsonemus latus (Broad Mite)
@ Sunset Limited
You are the same kind of person that would say don't use poisons on Root Aphids. If i had listened to you I would still be suffering.
If Avid was my only route for BM's, then that is what I would do treatments for 3 weeks. The label says "For Tarsonemid Mites use on all new growth"
BTW - Avid is an extract of a NATURAL soil based fungus (Streptomyces avermitilis).
The active kills mites by acting as a "gabba blocker."
Since this is a highly efficient and different mode of action from many other insecticides, there is a decreased likelihood of populations developing resistance.
Of course it is possible.
You have proven time and time again that you really don't know shit about these things.
And I already mentioned I was stopping the Avid due to predators, the instructions for the predators say to stop 3 days before use if possible.
But you obviously only read the posts you want and disregard any that don't line up to your solar system.
BTW - In a true, non-organic longtime professional gardener of cannabis the full arsenal of gear is this:
Avid, Eagle 20 (for Pm and fungus), Floramite, Forbid, Imidicloprid 75, Neem Extract, Physan.
If you round up the majority of success stories here on ICMag, they line up like this:
1 Avid
2 Heat Treatments (room to 120 degrees for 1 hour)
3 Forbid
4 OGBiowar
5 other poisons (Pylon, Venom, etc.)
& Aspirin to eleviate symtoms
But not one of them do YOU recommend.
So tell us Sunset, what is your tried and true magical cure for Tarsonemid Mites?
Enlighten us please.
You are the same kind of person that would say don't use poisons on Root Aphids. If i had listened to you I would still be suffering.
If Avid was my only route for BM's, then that is what I would do treatments for 3 weeks. The label says "For Tarsonemid Mites use on all new growth"
BTW - Avid is an extract of a NATURAL soil based fungus (Streptomyces avermitilis).
The active kills mites by acting as a "gabba blocker."
Since this is a highly efficient and different mode of action from many other insecticides, there is a decreased likelihood of populations developing resistance.
Of course it is possible.
You have proven time and time again that you really don't know shit about these things.
And I already mentioned I was stopping the Avid due to predators, the instructions for the predators say to stop 3 days before use if possible.
But you obviously only read the posts you want and disregard any that don't line up to your solar system.
BTW - In a true, non-organic longtime professional gardener of cannabis the full arsenal of gear is this:
Avid, Eagle 20 (for Pm and fungus), Floramite, Forbid, Imidicloprid 75, Neem Extract, Physan.
If you round up the majority of success stories here on ICMag, they line up like this:
1 Avid
2 Heat Treatments (room to 120 degrees for 1 hour)
3 Forbid
4 OGBiowar
5 other poisons (Pylon, Venom, etc.)
& Aspirin to eleviate symtoms
But not one of them do YOU recommend.
So tell us Sunset, what is your tried and true magical cure for Tarsonemid Mites?
Enlighten us please.
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The above tag is from my post of my BM damaged plants.
I don't get it.
Me posting pics of the plants isn't helpful? They have the classic look of BM damage.
Or does it just piss people off that have something against me?
I can't see how the pics couldn't be helpful, so i will disregard all the negativity thrown my way.
Hope I am helping some one by having plants to compare theirs to.
Ugh... really now.
Avid is a contact killer and translaminar. Meaning it kills on contact and kills when mites eats the plant, because the poison is absorbed into the plants cells making a reservoir of poison. Tasronemid mites (that eat plants) eat the Avid treated plant and die.
Predator mites DO NOT eat the plant. They eat the BM's and Cyclamen mites.
Get it?
I thought you had more. The rule of thumb is 1000 for each large plant.
The damaged plants looked like that BEFORE the Avid treatment and OGBiowar treatment. The only thing i had at the time was Forbid.
The new plants that look fine were dipped in Avid as soon as they came in the house two weeks ago. And then treated with Avid again 1 week later. Then the OGBiowar was sprayed on all plants - the old ones and new ones.
The new ones are fine. No damage form treatment.
The old ones are showing new growth.
Avid does not seem phytotoxic - at least not in the amounts I am using.
The new plants that look fine were dipped in Avid as soon as they came in the house two weeks ago. And then treated with Avid again 1 week later. Then the OGBiowar was sprayed on all plants - the old ones and new ones.
The new ones are fine. No damage form treatment.
The old ones are showing new growth.
Avid does not seem phytotoxic - at least not in the amounts I am using.
i've seen and brought home (to a quarantine zone) Avid resistant Spider Mites. the grow that i got them from had empty 250ml bottles of Avid around so i figured it was the case and after 2 dips in Avid i still saw at least 1/2 the population alive 3 weeks later.
PO BMs are Forbid/Judo resistant i believe.
do not underestimate the value of a rotation of AT LEAST 3 miticides (with different modes of action) labeled for BM/Cyclamen. 4 is better.
PO BMs are Forbid/Judo resistant i believe.
do not underestimate the value of a rotation of AT LEAST 3 miticides (with different modes of action) labeled for BM/Cyclamen. 4 is better.
eagle and floramite are worthless IMO. i'll trade them for flint, ridomil, and spinosad.
ummmm... ok.
i really don't have time to argue with you.
i hope you find whatever it is you are looking for. if it's an internet yelling match with me, you're shit out of luck though. you can't have that.
take care.
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