Broad Mites?

[Hosttrevor]

Is everyone with a confirmed case of these mites getting the plastic wet look to the blistered leaves like this?





Other serious BM infestation damage, plastic looking blistered leaves, some dying right off and shrivilled up new growth at the top of the plant.



See the damaged tender shoot right in the centre of this picture?



Deformaties such as this in new growth, this is growing out, the mites are dead, but the damage has already been done to some extent on this one.



Hope these are a help in spotting BM infection, if these affects vary with strain, I wouldn't know, this being my first infestation, but these plants are "Critical".

If you have any signs like this you need to get a scope and start looking very carefully.

Trev

 

[RetroGrow]

Looks like you had a really bad case. You caught them late, but definite improvement can still be seen. Give them some extra veg time and keep aspirin going, and they should continue to improve. Keep scoping as much as possible. They are pointing up & not drooping, so that's a good sign. I haven't seen any correlation between strains, but often certain plants will get more infested and show more damage. Usually I toss the worst ones. Good pictures.

 

[LEDNewbie]

The problem with trying to make those plants recover is even if they start growing healthy the chance of them being duds is very high!!!! Then more time, energy and $$$$ are waisted!!!!

 

[Hosttrevor]

Thanks Retro, I thought I might be putting too many pics up on the thread, but I always find there are not enough clear images showing peoples symptoms, and the more the better for people trying to diagnose problems.

Yeah they were hit bad, easy to over run such small clones and were dying that's for sure, small plants overrun with the lil fucks. So glad I found this thread and find the problem before getting further into it and be totally ruined with more wasted depressed time. I'm intrigued to see how well they can do if I keep on top of any mite problems, which I fully intend to do. I was getting side tracked with off gassing. I'm pretty sure I had an off gassing problem as well as the mites, which wouldn't have helped the plants immune system against the mites and as a result probably fell worse to them than they otherwise might have done, the chemical smell of the carpets/glue was and still is pretty intense and is one of the main culprits of off gassing other than the grow tents issues, which I also dealt with. The room is sealed against gassing now though so its down to the plants and my diligence, love and care.

I think you'd agree Retro, that apart from the weird glossy one and its 3 not so bad buddies, the improvement in colour, growth and size of the new growth over such a short space of time is pretty remarkable.

I shoulda pointed out mate, that in my last post all but the last photo were taken a few days ago. Just put them up for others to help recognise the signs and symptoms.

The post before that one are the most recent, and apart from the real glossy one and another three that are between that and the healthier looking ones, the others are showing remarkably quick improvement. Fresh normal looking growth developing and leaves getting considerably bigger, they looked like they were bonsai stylie before that. I'm hopeful of these plants, about 12 of them, will flourish now and hopefully go on to produce decent yields. As for the real glossy ones, it'll be interesting to see if they make a come back, I suspect they might still do so, they look more damaged, you'd expect them to take longer, if they are going to get going. I have the space for them all so I may as well see them all through if I can, out of interest to see what they can do, I doubt I'll be giving them prime positions tho ;-) I'll tag them so I know which ones they are.

Of course there is a chance that the plant structure is damaged and may not get strong enough to support a large yield, we'll have to wait and see.

If the plants really continue to take off I would have thought at least another 2 weeks vegging, maybe 3, I like shortish wide plants, and actually prefer the idea of a scrog but for the fact that a large scrog means difficulty getting to the middle areas and you can't move plants positions once they're in a screen. Works great in a small tent, but I did a 3m x 2m plus scrog a few times, it was a bit difficult to manage but it looked super cool. I might just go with it next run if I get good control of the mites here.

I'll re-pot in a couple of days into the final 11ltr pots, well 12 of them, 4 will go in 15ltr builders buckets, the bigger healthier ones I'll put in the bigger pots (the root systems are looking good and about ready for the step up) and then I'll start training them to spread their wings, so to speak.

Once established i the larger pots I'll put my auto feed system in. Each plant pot will be sat on its own 35ltr waste collection tanks, and with the drippers being adjustable, I should be able to dial in and meet each plants individual requirements by measuring the run off from each plant.

I'm going to do all I can to rear this harem to hopefully produce some fine ladies ;-)

I'm not getting too excited though, I learnt that the hard way trying to locate off gassing for an age in a previous grow.

I fucking love growing, I like big yields too, but quality is paramount.;-)

I'll keep you posted here with the on going grow, or run a diary and link to here, so others with issues can see how I fair.

Another tip of the hat to all the good guys giving us sensible information here, big up!

trev

 

[Hosttrevor]

The problem with trying to make those plants recover is even if they start growing healthy the chance of them being duds is very high!!!! Then more time, energy and $$$$ are waisted!!!!

What is this info based on, any links etc.?

As I said before, if only I could get good replacements I would, but I'm pretty sure I'm stuck with these.

What is your definition of "duds" mate/ ;-)

 

[bubbler720]

Trev, thanks for the advise. I'm definitely going to give the heat treatment a go - 120 F for 30min... I'm brainstorming how to achieve this... some areas where my 1000w are, no problem... but the ez cloner -- maybe i'll move the entire unit in with 1000w to bake the BM dead.

i remember when my girls were at the stage of your pics + wish i had picked up on it then. i'll post my pics from 7 days ago now -- and still not looking any better

 

[LEDNewbie]

What is this info based on, any links etc.?

As I said before, if only I could get good replacements I would, but I'm pretty sure I'm stuck with these.

What is your definition of "duds" mate/ ;-)

remember BM toxin can linger for 3-4 weeks easily. Sorry no links, but I've read it 100 times from growers saying even though they were able to finish off there grow the plants produced duds

Duds, shitty yield, no smell, no flavour. Dud On my grow I got horrible yield, decent flavour and significant smell lost!! And my plants looked no where near as bad as yours!!!!

 

[ballplayer 2]

I am almost 100% certain I have these mites, satan spawn (that I would wipe from the face of the earth if I had the ability), they have been doing me dirty since 2008. I only just learned about broad mites the last 6 months, the dark depressed days ran deep from these SOB's.

My growth is not as plastic looking in most cases, though I HAVE seen it before. My leaves tend to be very dark green and dryish with curling upturned edges. My new growth tends to be blistered and painfully slow to emerge, yellowed. My nodes have even shown curling inward onto itself, much like a struggling re-veg might look, though my plants are all from seed. My leaves show deformities-- for instance 2 blades might be really skinny and misshapen-- or 1 blade might look twisted and dried out, like a leaf with a broken petiole whose moisture has mostly escaped. Lastly I have the scarring, hard to describe, but you know it when you see it. Almost like blistered track marks, a member by the name of Moses Wellfleet has tremendous pictures in his gallery of the damage I typically see. For the cherry on top, pretty much every plant I attempt to grow goes hermie, or is under so much stress they will show both male and female pre-flowers during veg. My hairs show some damage during flower, but not to the extent I have seen others show on here. I have not harvested in YEARS, my plants stall as BS tiny white and some red hairs and I am left with nothing.

Just wanted to say thank you to all the members who have contributed greatly to this thread and opened my eyes to what has likely been my problem all along.

 

[RetroGrow]

I carry a separate pair of shoes that I change after I exit my truck when I go to my local grow shop (about three miles from my house). I roll up my pants legs so they don't come in contact with the floor. I wash my hands at the bathroom when I leave and don;t touch anything on the way out like a surgeon. And wash down with bleach everything I buy. LOL i'm not even kidding.

Good idea.

 

[Hosttrevor]

Trev, thanks for the advise. I'm definitely going to give the heat treatment a go - 120 F for 30min... I'm brainstorming how to achieve this... some areas where my 1000w are, no problem... but the ez cloner -- maybe i'll move the entire unit in with 1000w to bake the BM dead.

i remember when my girls were at the stage of your pics + wish i had picked up on it then. i'll post my pics from 7 days ago now -- and still not looking any better

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1 hour mate, not 30mins, the plants won't mind in the slightest.

Burn/bin the clones, sterilise well and put in with the heat treated room. If separate mother room, do that too of course.

Trev ;-)

 

[Some old dude]

My Swirskii supplier

My Swirskii supplier

Just off the phone with my Swirskii supplier in Oregon said they are having great success with this stuff that's (Omri) listed...just ordered some with my swirskii order ..Maybe nightmare coming to conclusion. Maybe light at end of long tunnel. This is total organic fungus that gets into the broads and kills them dead while swirskii's do there work the broads feeding on fungus through systemic action. "Hot dam tamale" My guy in Oregon says this is working against the broads what we have needed all along IMHO is a systemic that works. He said people are using it in Hydo as well. Will see for myself and report back but of course will take a while for results Stay tuned..!


http://www.everwoodfarm.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200_232_234&products_id=5304

 

[Hosttrevor]

remember BM toxin can linger for 3-4 weeks easily. Sorry no links, but I've read it 100 times from growers saying even though they were able to finish off there grow the plants produced duds

Duds, shitty yield, no smell, no flavour. Dud On my grow I got horrible yield, decent flavour and significant smell lost!! And my plants looked no where near as bad as yours!!!!

I wonder if with many of these grows, the mites were not actually fully controlled?

Its difficult to go on these results alone as the BM's are very hard to control and people won't as a rule (we hope) don't spray chems in flower, and I wonder how many actually heat treated and used predators through flower to keep them down, as has been said they keep coming back and I'm sure this would have a bearing on many of the 100's of threads you've seen people fail miserably. Have you had these experiences? and if so, do you think your grow remained mite free from when you first treated them? I aim to be really on it with these now, regular checks and regular heat treatments, regardless of whether I find any or not with Aspirin given every feed. I'm wondering if silicon would be of benefit to mite damaged plants, anyone used it?

My other alternative is to bin them and wait for new cuts to become available and then keep them treated from the off. Thing is Its going to be at least a month before I can get some clones rooted up from a mate, so I may as well keep these ones going and see how they're looking by then. If they've recovered into nice looking non deformed bushy plants I'll see them through and see how they go with the treatments. If they're all still showing signs of struggling I'll ditch them if fresh ones come along.

I must get around to starting a diary with this lot so others can weigh up the odds on seeing them through.

Anyone know of any threads/diaries, here or anywhere else where people are growing or have grown mite infested crops to the finish. I'd be interested in reading them through if so. If anyone can provide links I'd much appreciate it.

My plants are pretty bad huh? Some of them seem to be saying fuck it lets get going and the others saying fuck it I'm too tired and poorly.

Any opinions from the folks here who've done battles with these mites on whether its worth seeing them through? Not looking for assurances, just opinions based on your own experiences.

Thanks, Trev

 

[MrDank]

I've been clean from Broad Mites for almost a year now. A handful of my strains have not fully bounced back. They grow weak, have thin branches, stretch more than normal, leaves aren't full size, and are still hard to clone

has anybody else experienced their moms/clones not fully rebounding? I've been nursing healthy clones into moms for several generations, but they still don't perform up to par

 

[cobcoop]

I've been clean from Broad Mites for almost a year now. A handful of my strains have not fully bounced back. They grow weak, have thin branches, stretch more than normal, leaves aren't full size, and are still hard to clone

has anybody else experienced their moms/clones not fully rebounding? I've been nursing healthy clones into moms for several generations, but they still don't perform up to par

Yep, I've had several plants that haven't bounced back from the treatments last year. Mine were russet mites, but yeah I'm seeing a few dud runs here and there, lower yields, decreased vigor etc. I'm hoping some of these recover fully, but I guess time will tell.

 

[Some old dude]

Exactly

Exactly

I've been clean from Broad Mites for almost a year now. A handful of my strains have not fully bounced back. They grow weak, have thin branches, stretch more than normal, leaves aren't full size, and are still hard to clone

has anybody else experienced their moms/clones not fully rebounding? I've been nursing healthy clones into moms for several generations, but they still don't perform up to par

I have experienced this exact problem. I have a chocolope in the flower room that looks horrible. I pulled the mother. I have seven SSH in flower room (planning to select a good pheno) A couple of them look like they may be dud's but a couple others are quite good looking and smelling. (impossible to tell exactly until finish though). I have a couple "Blue venom" that look good but have little resin trics yet. And my Larry OG looks smaller and more splndly than normal. All these plants are BM free for the most part I believe. (I used Judo before flower room one month before). just four weeks into flower at this time. All these plants had what I would consider mild BM infestation before judo spray. (As I have had broads before) As I could only see the damage and not the BM's or egg's . Some of this may be due to the fact that I use ebb and flo with hydroton and this time I chose to clean rocks with vinegar this time (cause i read somewhere the low ph of the vinegar would help....hehe, and i flushed real well but it may have something to do with the grow cause vinegar is I believe "pure salt" but I doubt it cause I flushed the rocks real well. But I have had problems in the past with reusing "old hydroton" The flowering plants don't have the typical BM look but may be related to what I have read about the dam toxin remaining in the mothers. What I don't understand is how others are getting away with there grows I guess people are just ingesting Avid and all forms of bad nasty's that do not make the herb medical in any way . I will quit If I can't get a "semi natural" handle on this. This new stuff my swirskii guy is sending me along with the swirskii's and heat treatment is my only hope. I have read some strains are still worth doing. All the very best...!

 

[Storm Shadow]

Ive lost some amazing genetics due to these fuckers...not to mention all the $$$$ in growing strains that were amazing now resemble Hemp... I'll take some pics next week of 2 plants that grew side by side and one is a resin monster with heavy/dense nugs....the other plant same genetics same everything is 75% less frosted and way less dense...

I threw away all my moms that had been around from the time I first got them...and just started over from seed finding new keepers... its a hard bullet to bite...

Dont even waste your time trying to revive your genetics...for the most part...its going to be a lost cause if your trying to bring back stock that was infested heavy...

hosttrevor...your plants are RIP...I'd toss em now and start over...TRUST me dude... they are done...

BTW dunking small clones with a wetting agent will get every lil fucker hiding... Without the wetting agent I can see it being an issue...but with it....your golden

Pylon anyone

 

[whatthe215]

good reminder Storm. i junked all my SDF gear when i first noticed symptoms.

just ordered a bottle of Pylon actually... seems like good stuff. looking at Talstar, Sanmite, and Kelthane 50W as well. any experience with those Storm?

 

[Some old dude]

So just to be clear

So just to be clear

Ive lost some amazing genetics due to these fuckers...not to mention all the $$$$ in growing strains that were amazing now resemble Hemp... I'll take some pics next week of 2 plants that grew side by side and one is a resin monster with heavy/dense nugs....the other plant same genetics same everything is 75% less frosted and way less dense...

I threw away all my moms that had been around from the time I first got them...and just started over from seed finding new keepers... its a hard bullet to bite...

Dont even waste your time trying to revive your genetics...for the most part...its going to be a lost cause if your trying to bring back stock that was infested heavy...

hosttrevor...your plants are RIP...I'd toss em now and start over...TRUST me dude... they are done...

BTW dunking small clones with a wetting agent will get every lil fucker hiding... Without the wetting agent I can see it being an issue...but with it....your golden

Pylon anyone

I hear what your sayin bro, But just to be clear are you saying that you have experienced a mild infestation (as i'm sort of knowledgeable on BM damage) and you had a keeper mother or two that where not badly affected and able to keep..? Or are you saying you never had a keeper mother after infected. Just curious, thank bro.

 

[moses wellfleet]

Just off the phone with my Swirskii supplier in Oregon said they are having great success with this stuff that's (Omri) listed...just ordered some with my swirskii order ..Maybe nightmare coming to conclusion. Maybe light at end of long tunnel. This is total organic fungus that gets into the broads and kills them dead while swirskii's do there work the broads feeding on fungus through systemic action. "Hot dam tamale" My guy in Oregon says this is working against the broads what we have needed all along IMHO is a systemic that works. He said people are using it in Hydo as well. Will see for myself and report back but of course will take a while for results Stay tuned..!


http://www.everwoodfarm.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200_232_234&products_id=5304

sorry old timer I neg repped you by mistake. You have done good work here. Beauvaria bassiana is an entomopathogenic fungi that attacks a wide range of insects. I have used it with succes against fungus gnats. It may very well work on broad mites... Did the swirskiis not work for you?. Here is a cicada under attack from bb:

 

[Some old dude]

N/P

N/P

sorry old timer I neg repped you by mistake. You have done good work here. Beauvaria bassiana is an entomopathogenic fungi that attacks a wide range of insects. I have used it with succes against fungus gnats. It may very well work on broad mites... Did the swirskiis not work for you?. Here is a cicada under attack from bb:

N/P wellfest A honest man does not worry about his reputation. I have seen people who I cut off for a couple decades only to come back after they had learned the truth about a situation . What they had heard from third parties turned out to be wrong, Because they believed what they did it ended our friendship .I figured I did not want that type of person in my life anyways. (This is not relating to your accident just a little story bro).

This guy I get the swirskii from says a lot of people are starting to use this stuff. I think the swirskii's are working , just ordered more. Ripped apart one of the sachets and did not find any inside as I had previously done to check and make sure they where actually in the sachet a couple of weeks ago. My supplier in Oregon who I talked to today said they are out there searching for food. My mothers and plants in flower still look good no sign of damage.Just that residue toxic affect that has been discusted here. Where as the plant will not show broad mite feeding damage ( blistering burnt pistols ect) but will exhibit less than optimal results (yield, vigor, resin,ect) entering 4th week in flower.This systemic fungus will take care of the feeding broads if any and the predators will take care of the live one's if any.I will un-bolt the kitchen sink next...hehe litle tip for bringing room up to temp 120 degrees I just bought 250 watt heat lamp to add to reg 600 watt mh for mother room along with the heater I have cause just the heater and light did not raise temp up high enough. I did test for when I get new swirskii's to do heat treatment before I add new swirskii's in mother room. I removed the plants and sachets before I did the test.