Breeding with wild hemp

[eexpee]

Yes, sorry, I was getting a bit confused. CBD is what i'm after. Not for getting high, for medicinal benefits.

So, flowering plants longer has nothing to do with amount of CBD present? I have read it other places and from Mandala's website: "You should not let your plants flower considerably longer than the times indicated unless you want to increase CBD-CBN% for medical reasons." So, longer flowering has some benefit then in terms of CBD production right?

There are obviously strains bred for higher CBD content, the talk about landraces with higher CBD again makes me think that because of Mandala's use of landraces there could be a high CBD ratio in his plants.

Err, I think there was more I wanted to say but I lost my train of thought

 

[Megas]

Only time I've ever heard CBDs have been bread out of a plant is by the media. Is this even possible? generally Indicas have a higher cbd ratio from what I understand.

 

[burningfire]

nah, from all the information that is out there, they have very little CBD, It may have to do with CBC and Terpenes.

CBD has been bred out, even in the 'medical cannabis' community I'm willing to be it's extremely rare to have decent CBD levels.

 

[grow1620]

imho ALL strains are worth saving. Biodiversity is something we can never get back.Mother nature has been breeding for what..millions of years? Even if you decide not grow a certain strain, you should always save seed stock from it.

 

[elmanito]

In todays cannabis for recreational/medical use you can only find THC and sometimes THCV or CBC.CBD has been bred out because it is an antagonist of THC, so it blocks the activity of THC.
You can find CBD only in certain landraces like from Afghanistan, Pakistan,China, Lebanon and perhaps from North India (Parvati, Kullu Manali) and of course the industrial hemp strains, but most of them aren't that high in CBD.Longer flowering has nothing to do with the increase of CBD, just the right genetics

CBN is degradation product of THC and fresh cannabis has a lack of CBN, unless you have dried it in full sun.

Namaste

 

[mriko]

I would imagine Spain would have been smart enough to not use the tropically incompatible western European hemp.

Maybe not. In Colombia, tests have been conducted in 1607, 1610, 1632 & 1789, all being a total failure. Rigt after the 1789 one, new seeds where ordered... from Spain !

Strange is also why the Dutch never cultivated any Cannabis in Surinam.The climate is perfect.

Perfect for ganja, but maybe not for getting the quality fiber they needed. Surinam received a lot of muslims (some of them belonging to some sufi school) migrants originating from different parts of the British India (Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Kashmir, the Northwest Frontier Province Sindh, Deccan,Bihar), starting last quarter of 19th century. A considerable part of these people were Afghan/Pathan migrants who had settled in India, then moved to South America. The British Crown also used to send Afghan rebels to Guyana & Surinam by mid-19th century.

Colombia on its side, Being the first country in the Americas to offer full rights to citizens of African descent, received many Africans who settled here during the late 19th and early 20th century and who could have brought with them seeds of strains already acclimated to the country where they were slaves. Also, lots of migrants from Lebanon, Syria & Palestine settled early-mid 20th century and, although cannabis was already thriving there, it is not unthinkable to imagine than some have brought with them seeds from their homeland.

Irie !

 

[Thule]

Maybe the portuguese were smarter? Afterall they had ports in Tropical India and access to local hemp strains that were also high in thc but most importantly used to the climate in South America.

Chile was one of the countries where the spanish succeeded in growing hemp, and you can still see stands of wild hemp growing there. I once grew an autoflower strain from the Peruvian Andes and it looked like hemp but smoked ok. South America is probably a huge melting pot of different types from all around the world. Spanish hemp, imported hashplants, Indian ganja etc. Somehow I find it hard to believe that African slaves would have brought any seeds with them. I doubt they would have had anything to store the seeds in while crossing the Atlantic. Even if they did, in such conditions they would have most likely eaten the seeds before reaching the Americas.

 

[mriko]

Somehow I find it hard to believe that African slaves would have brought any seeds with them. I doubt they would have had anything to store the seeds in while crossing the Atlantic. Even if they did, in such conditions they would have most likely eaten the seeds before reaching the Americas.

Actually cannabis was brought to Brazil from Africa, from 1549 if not before. and indeed, "cannabis seeds were brought to Brazil in cloth dolls which were tied to the rag tag clothing worn by the slaves" Rosado (1958) quoting Pio Correa.

Irie !

 

[Thule]

Actually cannabis was brought to Brazil from Africa, from 1549 if not before. and indeed, "cannabis seeds were brought to Brazil in cloth dolls which were tied to the rag tag clothing worn by the slaves" Rosado (1958) quoting Pio Correa.

Irie !

Fascinating! Finally some real info!

That could actually explain the occurrence of pink haired varieties on both sides of the Atlantic. However I also remember reading that cannabis wasn't introduced to west Africa before the world wars, I guess that can't be true then.

While your at it, do you know where West African cannabis originates from?

I hope we're not drifting too far from the original subject here..

 

[elmanito]

While your at it, do you know where West African cannabis originates from?

In my opinion i think it will be from India brought by the Dutch (to Ghana) or English or perhaps the Portuguese (Goa).

Namaste

 

[DocLeaf]

In my opinion i think it will be from India brought by the Dutch (to Ghana) or English or perhaps the Portuguese (Goa).

we agree,, from Goa >> Sri Lanka >> Durban >> Gambia >> Then on to the Americas

Hemp on the other hand has been growing in central Europe since the stone-age!!

Peace out

 

[elmanito]

we agree,, from Goa >> Sri Lanka >> Durban >> Gambia >> Then on to the Americas

Hemp on the other hand has been growing in central Europe since the stone-age!!

Peace out

I guess you think the British were responsible for the route you describe above, but i think it was not Gambia, but Ghana.
Hemp was brought by the Scythians to Europe.

Namaste

 

[mriko]

I guess you think the British were responsible for the route you describe above, but i think it was not Gambia, but Ghana.

That would rather be the Portuguese I think, although Ganja had been grown & used in Sri Lanka long before Europeans showed up in India.

Hemp was brought by the Scythians to Europe.

Actually no, Scythians's role in spreading cannabis is far over-estimated I think. Cannabis was already growing wild in Europe about 12000 years ago, long long before Scythians.

Irie !

 

[elmanito]

Its correct that Goa was a Portuguese colony at that time and that the people in Sri Lanka before had contact with the people in South India, but i doubt that hemp was already growing wild in Europe 12000 years ago, unless you found a document with evidence about this.

Namaste

 

[mriko]

i doubt that hemp was already growing wild in Europe 12000 years ago, unless you found a document with evidence about this.

eheh, yeah it didn't just popped out of my brain. There've been some pollen study done near a lake in Italy, and they found cannabis pollen at levels where no permanent human settlement where yet established.

I'm gonna go get the quote and paste it.

Irie !

 

[mriko]

Ach, I can't copy it for some reason, and the pdf file is too large for posting here. Here's the reference : http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14413980

Irie !

 

[elmanito]

Pollen evidence of increasing human influence on vegetation was recorded in the Holocene parts of both diagrams, and the Cannabis (hemp) curve was one of the major signs

This was probably cultivated hemp, not wild.

Namaste

 

[mriko]

This was probably cultivated hemp, not wild

First traces of early Neolithic human activity in studied areas start at 7000 years BP, whereas pollen have been found from much older sediments layers.

With regard to hemp, the rare records in our cores continue to suggest the presence of wild plants in the area, as in the previous period - Page 8

Irie !

 

[elmanito]

With regard to hemp, the rare records in our cores continue to suggest the presence of wild plants in the area, as in the previous period - Page 8

History records suggest that hemp originated in the Altai mountains, so the statement above says that hemp already existed before men started to cultivate plants.It can not be brought by ice, so it is still a mystery how it got there, although it can be brought by wind.

Namaste

 

[mriko]

History records suggest that hemp originated in the Altai mountains, so the statement above says that hemp already existed before men started to cultivate plants.It can not be brought by ice, so it is still a mystery how it got there, although it can be brought by wind.

Lots of different records suggest different places of origin for the cannabis plant. If one place origin, I would rather be tempted to favor the extended shores of Caspian sea. But is there only one birth place ? Sometimes I wonder...

Wind can indeed explain expansion, but let's not forget birds and why not also hunters-gatherers who, we can imagine, would have collected and stored the seeds for food use during their nomadism, sometimes unwillingly (or not ?) sowing a few seeds here and there, migration after migration, generations after generations. This is only a supposition of mine, but I don't think it is eccentric.

Irie !