Breeding with wild hemp

[danut]

I agree that you have to be care ful with THCV.As CBD it is an antagonist of THC like you said earlier, but it could be useful for decreasing the appetite, but the THC much be higher in the plant than THCV.To much THCV makes you nausea, what i experienced or you will have the same side effect as Rimonabant!

OK .. this woke me up more than my coffee.

I make Rick Simpson extract for cancer patients.

I have one patient that had his own starting materials. A strain that he had developed himself.

He found out that he had stage four non hodgkins lymphoma about the same time as he had a harvest.

This guy is a massive consumer. Smokes an ounce per day of high grade.
So my thinking is that the cancer would need to be jolted with a much higher amount of cannabinoids than his system is used to. After all the cancer is used to those levels of cannabinoids also.

So we hit him with 2000 mg per day.

I also start looking for another strain to swap out to hit him with a change up in cannabinoid profile.

Still have not been able to run into a different strain for him. But the cancer is shrinking.

Bad part: He has had to stop the extract. Why? Rapid heart rate. Which the doctors could not slow down.

I'm thinking THCV.

Does that make sense to you?

Simpson recommends working with an indica. This material was a little more sativa in nature.

 

[elmanito]

They should check his thyroid gland.Probably the high activity of the thyroid gland is causing the rapid heart rate.
I'm more thinking of a strain with a higher CBD content (Mazar-i-Sharif, Lebanese) than THCV.
Do you have acces of a TLC-test????

Namaste

 

[danut]

They should check his thyroid gland.Probably the high activity of the thyroid gland is causing the rapid heart rate.
I'm more thinking of a strain with a higher CBD content (Mazar-i-Sharif, Lebanese) than THCV.
Do you have acces of a TLC-test????

TLC .. no.
I'm doing this stuff on a shoestring. Begging scrap from people to cook down.

Do I want CBD? It's the holy grail. Sam just posted a study in the Dr. Jay forum that showed CBD having the highest anti cancer properties of the cannabiinoids they tested.

This patient has had to stop his intake of the hemp oil.

So my question "is it possible that the THCV could be the source of the rapid heart rate?"

 

[danut]

See my avitar?

That's Juicy Fruit.

What causes purple coloring? Mg shortage.

That is supposed to cause a slight elevation of CBD production.

The color is intentional. targeted.

 

[mrred]

nows the time to harvest feral weed people(at least in midwest where im at), they are always past due i think, now i gotta build a tumbler hehe, im goint have alot of seeds. i found that one that smells like mango again, very fruity, that will be the one i start to breed with

 

[danut]

nows the time to harvest feral weed people(at least in midwest where im at), they are always past due i think, now i gotta build a tumbler hehe, im goint have alot of seeds. i found that one that smells like mango again, very fruity, that will be the one i start to breed with

Yep .. fruity smell.

See if it seems to have any THC content.

If not mix it 50/50 with a known THC content bud.

Then when it is smoked observe the time line of effect.
Does it have a creeper effect? (minimum 20 min before it takes effect)
Does it have a long duration? (about four hours)

If it acts that way there is a high probability that you have run into a CBD source.

 

[mrred]

my shitty microscope light went out as i started to look at some buds, and i just bought it like 4 days ago, some have alot of trichomes but most are apear to be clear, then there are some that are pure dark brown color, some are very low in trichomes, im not expert on looking at trichomes tho

 

[mrred]

these are from a camera phone and 60-100x radioshack scope, excuse the quality

 

[mriko]

They are not to be confused with the tall, sativa looking wild populations in SE Europe, such as Bulgaria, those are not ruderalis they are more likely leftovers from Hemp cultivation of the past.

Although it's possible, they could also be descendent from local wild populations. Cannabis was growing wild in southern europe before the introduction of agriculture overthere.

Irie !

 

[Thule]

Interesting thread everyone!

DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE IF THERE'S FINOLA IN LOWRYDER???
...And I mean FACT, not rumours or guesses...

I can only offer my opinion, but IMO the rumour that lowryder was developed from finola is UTTER BULLSHIT.

I'm sorry to use such a harsh language, but I think it's important to cut the wings from rumours that have no basis in real life.

I'm not basing my opinion solely on guessing, I've been fooling around with finola genetics since 2004, ever since I got into growing. What makes me so sure about this is the fact that finolas autoflower acts differently to that of lowryders.

Finola flowers at the age of 30 to 40 days as opposed to 12-20 days of lowryder. Finolas flowering is not photoperiod neutral. You can induce flowering as early as 10days of age with 12/12 lighting. I have also tried crossing finola to lowryder based genetics in order to determine if it is infact the same genes resposible for the autoflowering and it really looks like they aren't the same. You may have 100% autoflowering in the first generation but in the next generation it can drop down to 85%

Finolas structure is also nothing like lowryders. They are big plants and can easily reach 2 meters if given the right environment. I have never seen a dwarf finola, and I've grown plenty and visited many finola farms here in Finland. Finding a high thc plant is also theoretically impossible because finola is a bd/bd type and only produces cbd plants with levels as low as 1% cbd. The bt allele doesn't just pop up if it never was there.

Finally let's also think about the seeds for a moment. Finola is bred for it's nutricious seeds. The genetics came from two russian sources, the Altai mountains in southern Siberia and the other one according to El Manito from Kirov region on the European side. These seeds have bee bred for human consumption and therefore have a relatively thin seed shell. They take less than 24 hours to sprout and I know this because I make hemp seed milk every single day. Infact they are so keen to sprout that you often find sprouted seeds in the buds late in the autumn. Now this is completely the opposite to those hard to germinate, thick shelled lowryder seeds that often need human help to get started.

Imo it's far more likely that lowryder actually descends from a ruderalis ancestor just like stated by Joint Doctor. Ruderalis seeds take longer to germinate than domestic seeds do and sprout unevenly as a surviving mechanism. We even know there was a Mexican Ruderalis. It was one of Nevilles attempts to create an outdoor strain in the 80's.

I could go on but I think I made my point here.

 

[Thule]

Although it's possible, they could also be descendent from local wild populations. Cannabis was growing wild in southern europe before the introduction of agriculture overthere.

Irie !

I think you may be right mriko.

I'm not that that familiar with strains in southern Europe but there is evidence of cannabis growing in central and eastern Europe well before historical times. The oldest samples in Finland are 4000 years old, so probably the plant was growing further south much earlier than that.

The scythians grew cannabis and their homeland was situated around todays Ukraine. I've made a few ruderalis expeditions to the region and the plant seems to be surprisingly wide spread in most countries south of Poland.

Wild hemp also grows in the area but it is distinct from the true ruderalis. Lots of hemp was grown in the area during the Soviet era but just like the American ditchweed it isn't true ruderalis and lacks the adaptations that took ruderalis thousands of years to evolve. Ruderalis grows to a height of 30 to 120cm, branches significantly and makes thousands of tiny, almost black seeds. We all know what hemp looks like, you can even tell the difference from the seeds. I hear the strains further south in the Balkans might be mixed populations, which isn't a surprise considering the location.

I don't know if the plant was first cultivated by the scythians or not, but they used it for getting high as well as fibers. Ruderalis isn't good for either use. Maybe it was there all along, who knows?

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Is this thread about Nirvana Seeds?

Oh...I crack me up.

 

[Twoshot]

Has there ever been found a THC %, like in modern hybrids and landraces, in 100% wild Cannabis? Or is it solely a man made creation through selection over time? (Off topic)

 

[mriko]

Has there ever been found a THC %, like in modern hybrids and landraces, in 100% wild Cannabis? Or is it solely a man made creation through selection over time? (Off topic)

Some will tell you that it is a human creation, but they must have had something to start with that was rich enough in THC for them wanting to do selection work, and it could only be so from some wild specimen.

I'm not that that familiar with strains in southern Europe but there is evidence of cannabis growing in central and eastern Europe well before historical times. The oldest samples in Finland are 4000 years old, so probably the plant was growing further south much earlier than that.

Pollen analysis in some Italian areas have shown the presence of cannabis plant 12000 years ago, well before human settlement in studied areas.

The scythians grew cannabis and their homeland was situated around todays Ukraine. I've made a few ruderalis expeditions to the region and the plant seems to be surprisingly wide spread in most countries south of Poland.

Indeed, where Scythians have been, cannabis is found growing wild and it is more than probable that they have spread genetics all over there cultural zone of influence. But why would they have relied on ruderalis, when plenty of stronger strains were already available in Central Asia and probably Caucasus too ? I personnaly think that their role in spreading the plant is far over-estimated. Let's not forget that they appeared around 1000BC, making it a pretty recent civilization and there's no doubt that other civilizations have grown and selected the plant before they appeared on the world scene. Cannabis pollen have been found in some Estonian settlement (Akali), in a layer dating from 5600BC, suggesting (according to researcher) possible contact between local foraging community with farming products coming from Central-European farming tribes.

I hear the strains further south in the Balkans might be mixed populations, which isn't a surprise considering the location.

Definitely, especially if we consider the Turkish influence which must have been responsible for the introduction of new strains in their areas of influence.

I don't know if the plant was first cultivated by the scythians or not, but they used it for getting high as well as fibers.

Nope, they weren't the first ones to cultivate the plant, as mentionned above.

Here some intersting pdf file attached to the post, sorry the one about Italy is too heavy (1mb max. for attachement).

Irie !

 

[eexpee]

Okay, been following this thread. I know Mandala seeds uses a lot of landraces in their genetics. I heard somewhere that Mandala doesn't release info about CBD/CBN content because of some legal issues or something. But, he does use landraces, which makes me think that his strains could contain a viable about of CBN? I too am interested in cannabis containing good amounts of CBN as I like to use it for medical purposes, though it is not prescribed as such.

It would be interesting to find what percentages of CBN are contained in Mandalas genetics, or if not his genetics, what profile of landraces he has used in his genetics.

Also Danut, the guy you speak of who smokes for his tumor, he smokes it right? Or is it administered another way? I thought the only way to reduce a tumor size is by directly injecting the cannabinoids to the site? Are there any other features of a cannabis strain high in CBD? Someone said CBD helps you mind handle the effects of THC, does that mean low/no anxiety cannabis has moderate amounts of CBD present then?

XP

 

[mriko]

eexpee, CBN is the result of THC oxydization, so it's not a matter og strain/genetics.

Irie !

 

[TryComb]

So I live in the midwest and have found several plants that we recently made bubble hash out of. They were not hugh and didnt have alot of trics on them, but the hash is not bad at all. There was three plants and each smelled different. We collected over 100 seeds per plant. These were found on an old farm that im sure was started in the early 1800s when we had slavery. Could this be leftovers from hemp farming or the slaves?
Thoughts?
TC

 

[eexpee]

mriko, if that were the case then, what is the interest in breeding hemp with high CBD content into the drug strains if all one has to do to increase CBD is to flower longer? I know that is already an accepted way of producing more CBD, but then why the interest?

I'm assuming that some strains would produce more CBD with longer flowering, but does that mean strains high in THC left to flower longer will produce a lot of CBD as all the THC oxidises?

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[burningfire]

eexpee, he's talking about CBN and not CBD.

apparently Sam said that cbd/thc ratios never change during flowering, but after peak production has been achieved there's simply less being produced, I think it's in a thread somewhere. I think leaving a plant to fully mature will only impact it's terpene/sugar production, which will affect the effect.

he also said that CBN isn't product on the plant, very rarely will you see any CBN on a living plant, CBN is produced in storage. It may have therapeutic benefits but as far as i know it's probably one of the least studied cannabinoid, after thc, cbd, cbc, thcv...

 

[Thule]

Indeed, where Scythians have been, cannabis is found growing wild and it is more than probable that they have spread genetics all over there cultural zone of influence. But why would they have relied on ruderalis, when plenty of stronger strains were already available in Central Asia and probably Caucasus too ? I personnaly think that their role in spreading the plant is far over-estimated. Let's not forget that they appeared around 1000BC, making it a pretty recent civilization and there's no doubt that other civilizations have grown and selected the plant before they appeared on the world scene. Cannabis pollen have been found in some Estonian settlement (Akali), in a layer dating from 5600BC, suggesting (according to researcher) possible contact between local foraging community with farming products coming from Central-European farming tribes.

Irie !

Thanks for the link! I find it quite interesting as my ancestors came from Estonia. Cannabis spread here from two directions, east and south among different fenno ugric tribes. There's actually a great deal of indo iranian (scythian?) vocabulary in our language, which tells about close relations with them in the past.

I wasn't suggesting that the scythians used ruderalis, but that their strains devolved into todays ruderalis. Especially the most western deposits of ruderalis follow the supposed borders of the Scythian land quite accurately. If cannabis actually was there 12 000 years ago it is more likely they brought their own strains from the Altai region or elsewhere in Central Asia, but the strains must have left their imprit on the local ruderal populations.

eexpee, you are confusing cbd to cbn. Cbd occurs naturally in some strains, cbn is the product of thc oxidization.

Cbd isn't the holy grail in terms of getting high, but it does have health benefits. I'm working on a couple of such strains to treat my insomnia. As a thc antagonist it also allows you to injest MORE thc and also deals with the rapid heart rate. For recreational uses cbd is rather disappointing if it amounts 50% or more of the total cannabinoids, the high becomes more of a buzz.