BREEDING WITH FEMINIZED SEEDS PRO'S & CON'S?

[mendo420]

Big Up Tom! Much Respect.

If I could have gotten males, or even pollen from certain strains. I'm not sure if I would have ever tried this CS experiment.

I and many others sure are glad I did.

I have not abandoned my other breading projects. I'm going to expand my male garden this season!
Just another tool to my skill set.

Doesn't Cheese feminized seed just sound Delicious!

Or Cheese X Chem4, FireOG x Cheese, FireOG x Chem4, Blue Dream X Cheese, Mendo Kush X Mendo Dream, SFV X CHEM4, Fire OG x Fire OG?

Ahhhhh the crosses go on and on.

If I could only clone my self! Then I could do some real damage.

 

[DocLeaf]

to the ends that link, keep burning them !!! [Chester p]

 

[elmanito]

Oh and fems are doing harm to genetics as a whole.

IMO the autoflower genes are doing far more harm than fem.Its great for people who do live at 60 N or even higher to have plants that flower in time before the frost comes in, but at lower altitudes you've to be careful.The genes for autoflowering are pretty strong.You can make perfectly fem seeds, but it takes time.Like what says Tom bad breeding practices like 1:1 most of the time is harming the Cannabis gene pool, because of loosing of special traits like in this Leb27.



Namaste

 

[inquest]

Just remember: most of us want a reduction in diversity in a number of traits/genes. Who here wants to grow out a hundred or a thousand plants to find one or two we can actually get high off of??
A reduction in diversity applied to the genes controlling potency is a very good thing IMO. Of course the flip side has already been inferred and addressed in this thread and others.
So, the goal, as Tom/Allard said is to reduce diversity of traits you're working over like potency, smell, etc. then out-cross to restore diversity to traits your not actively pursuing at this moment. It's similar, in my mind, to counting cards/stacking the deck. It's a lot easier to win if you know what you're working with.

Nice gem from Allard, Tom!

 

[stagger lee]

lol, yea Tom could say its possible to clone a dog turd and still get the same 12 or 13 people giving a thumbs up helpful good post! And I bet half of them had the same experience... the ass kissing "popular members" runs deep around here.On this site I bet I couldnt find one single post that disagree's w/your opinion.. But Im sure its cause you know your shit. Thanks Tom your the greatest... thumbs up!

 

[Tom Hill]

The first paragraph from your post earlier today was much closer to the mark.

well fuck me, I better hit the books before posting anything more about 1:1 breeding! Like I said I had thought the 1:1 was female on female breeding. and in a way I could see if someone had a clone only female that was special enough to go thru all the bs needed to create feminized seeds, that would be imo one of the only reasons it would be worth the trouble.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4977142&postcount=39


Wha'd you do check reality at the door before heading back over here, lol?

 

[BlueGrassToker]

stagger has been schooled on multiple occasions, but seems he doesn't absorb much of what he has been taught. (shrug)
I have often thought he was simply being hard headed or perhaps not very bright...but with his own admission it seems it's more a comprehension issue.

 

[stagger lee]

Tom you bring up my post from yesterday like youve uncovered some lost treasure...Im not the one claiming to know everything.. To think your opinion on a subject should being taken like your the teacher and Im being what was it, taught? These guys have given you a big head brother. soon your pack of goons will arrive to back up your everyword (no matter what the topic) and tell me Im not worthy! Its starting to come back to me why I quit visiting this site.

And Blue grass who are you? youve either lost your mind or just couldnt help being "the first" goon on site? you did good blue grass, you did good,good boy! its called voicing your opinion and if that opinion happens to be different than (lets say) Toms look the fuck out! and get the fuck out, which is what I'll gladly do again...

 

[BlueGrassToker]

Anyone can have, and is entitled to, an opinion. Like the guy who is of the opinion that turds don't stink.

 

[mrwags]

Tom you bring up my post from yesterday like youve uncovered some lost treasure...Im not the one claiming to know everything.. To think your opinion on a subject should being taken like your the teacher and Im being what was it, taught? These guys have given you a big head brother. soon your pack of goons will arrive to back up your everyword (no matter what the topic) and tell me Im not worthy! Its starting to come back to me why I quit visiting this site.

And Blue grass who are you? youve either lost your mind or just couldnt help being "the first" goon on site? you did good blue grass, you did good,good boy! its called voicing your opinion and if that opinion happens to be different than (lets say) Toms look the fuck out! and get the fuck out, which is what I'll gladly do again...

Lee please do what you say and go play please. I can handle your repetitive questions your ill will towards honored members but when you get Tom mad enough to post up a reply like he did I'd say it's time for you to go somewhere else and play for a bit b4 we do it for ya.

No threats no who's got the bigger one net bullshit simply put you are slapping the wrong bull sir and like I said it's time for you to stay outside the big boy ring for a bit so thank you for you input and be moving along please.

Sorry Tom I didn't see it until now.


Be Well
Mr.Wags

 

[Rolldaddy]

@ those on this thread who are for real (you all have pm's from me except tom cuz I figured you get too many pm's to even see mine)

What I'm trying to figure out is if I take cuttings from my indoor plants I grew from feminized seeds and grow the babies outside they will behave the same as their parents would outside?

Ive been smoking meds and drank a lil so Im makin sure I understood this thread correctly

 

[Booyah!]

I've read all these arguments and it just seems that people are taking the natural control out of their own hands and become dependent on reversing chemicals in order to produce further generations.

People get very concerned about lost landrace strains and lost genetics yet don't seem to worried about losing the unique dioecious nature of weed. A plant that naturally puts the control of future generations into the hands of its handlers. One that seems able to adapt to a wide range of climates and tastes simply due to its tremendous range or variation it is able to express.

Seems to me that some people are experiencing anomalies in future generations when breeding feminized or one generation removed from feminization together such as all female or even all male offspring. And are these even true males or do they produce further all female generations? We put so much trust in the first generation or two of feminized breeding. We need to be looking much further out. Male plants tend to have other traits besides just pollen sacks…they are often much more vigorous than their female counterparts for one.

I do not believe anyone on these forums really understands the true nature of why or how plants show sex...we have some data and have drawn conclusions from certain observations, but there always seem to be acceptations to every rule especially with weed.

Bottom line we don't know what we are really doing to the gene pool at all but seem more than enthused to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if after 10 or so generations they start having a hard time getting the plants to produce any viable male pollen even under chemical stress.

 

[Snoopster]

The "gene pool" will be fine.
I don't understand how femmed plants can do harm to a plant that has been around longer than humans.

There are fields of plants in North Africa that have been selectively bred for nearly 1,000 years.

Africa, India, Afghanistan, Jamaica...

I am not worried about the gene pool.

 

[Tom Hill]

There is no "natural control" in your hands, breeding -artificial selection- often and purposely bypasses natural breeding devices of plants, by definition.

I am not worried about loss of variation due to gynoesious selection vs male female selection because I have some understandings of these topics.

Male plants are not more vigorous than female plants, this is a mistaken observation. Male plants do tend to have less roots, because they do not require such a strong framework to hold up less weight, and they do better to be taller thus spreading their pollen further, and with less roots have the energy to do so, many novices observe this phenomenon, and come to incorrect conclusions. -T

 

[jahrastafareye]

What I'm trying to figure out is if I take cuttings from my indoor plants I grew from feminized seeds and grow the babies outside they will behave the same as their parents would outside?

those cuttings and the plant you took them from are the exact same plant. It may in fact begin to flower sooner/or flower quicker due to already being sexually mature.

 

[Linux]

Hi, TomHill, is it true that making fem seeds using GA3 will alter the DNA of the cannabis plant? I have both CS and GA3. But I only used CS which works great.

 

[DocLeaf]

cool info. all

 

[bajangreen]

I want to breed with fems and when i find the plant i like back cross to the F1. I dont understand whats wrong with this, the way i see it i could potentially cut breeding time in half because i can have a look at both parents. making a strain in less than 3 seasons.
If i breed with only fems for 1<100 generations the results would be xx and it only takes 1 cross back to a true xy to get that y back in there. So my question isent it OK as long as the final cross has a true male in it?

I think only someone that has breed before and knows the work involved can appreciate the ability of using both fem parents in a cross . I got my first CS generator plugged in right now and thinking to my self witch little lady going to get it.

The only CON i can see is that you might not be able to select for males that show way earlier than females. To the guys against using fems, are you only afraid of hermis? you never had to stabilize a land-race? herims are easy to get rid of. My advise is don't worry, keep breeding with fems and always end with a back-cross to the f1.

 

[bajangreen]

One more thing, Weed is one of the few plants that new strains of are being created everyday.

While big agri are taking over all the other food crops and breading one gmo for everyone.

 

[supermanlives]

great reading. now if only tom made some female haze. take that 5 percent plant and make us seeds please