breeding for terpenes

[vertigo0007]

No sweat! Keep spreading truth

 

[MiMedicineMan]

as many of us have found, THC is really sticky and forms an impenetrable gum on things, really hard to wash off. And, the purer it is, the more easily it condenses on things and doesn't budge

In have found that thc is not at all sticky (at room temperature or lower), in my experience of making amber glass, it is the concrete concentrate which is sticky. The better (more pure) it comes out, the less sticky it is. It is the waxes and lipids which make it sticky; which you have to remove in order to purify your oil. When it gets to above 50 percent or 60 you basically have to be removing the sticky stuff otherwise its hard to make it that strong.

 

[MiMedicineMan]

"Together, these data would support the hypothesis that myrcene is a prominent sedative terpenoid in cannabis, and combined with THC, may produce the ‘couch-lock’ phenomenon of certain chemotypes that is alternatively decried or appreciated by recreational cannabis consumers."

It seems to me that terpenes may not have medicinal effects like thc cbd cbn, etc, but that the terpenes are like the delivery method of the drug.

In pharmaceuticals, the delivery method is not patented like the active ingredient. Meaning in a generic drug, the drug is the same as the name brand, but the non active ingredients (delivery method) is what changes from the name brand. It is widely known that some drugs' generics are not in demand like the name brand. Kind of like how we don't all seek marinol because it sucks.

 

[vertigo0007]

8=======D------;-(

 

[MiMedicineMan]

wow vertigo. i owe it all to you bro. i cant believe i havent found this earlier. it all makes sense now.

 

[Adze]

entourage effect

entourage effect

Vertigo,

Read "the entourage effect" by russo

That is the link in my post, here it is again:

http://cannabisclinicians.org/wp-con...+Minor-CBs.pdf

 

[G.O. Joe]

In have found that thc is not at all sticky (at room temperature or lower), in my experience of making amber glass, it is the concrete concentrate which is sticky. The better (more pure) it comes out, the less sticky it is. It is the waxes and lipids which make it sticky; which you have to remove in order to purify your oil. When it gets to above 50 percent or 60 you basically have to be removing the sticky stuff otherwise its hard to make it that strong.

I specifically said and meant THC, not THCA, which is a powder. I bet an hour in a 250F oven will turn your glass to gum.

 

[MiMedicineMan]

for sure that would turn it into "budder" or whatever u call it but that would cook most of the terps out in order to get a higher thc product. I never get my glass above, say, 150 or else it turns brown (dark amber). If I keep it cool it turns out translucent yellow to clear even from using low quality trim.

I can only attest to what I have had tested but what I have found is the higher the thc percentage the more stable (solid at room temperature) of a product.

I am going to run some canatonic through the extractor this week so well see what that makes...

That is the link in my post

I can't believe I missed this one adze I haven't been on regularly lately. I read the first link, but spaced on the second one.

Thank you both for putting me on to some shit I needed to be put on to...

 

[Thule]

It seems to me that terpenes may not have medicinal effects like thc cbd cbn, etc, but that the terpenes are like the delivery method of the drug.

In pharmaceuticals, the delivery method is not patented like the active ingredient. Meaning in a generic drug, the drug is the same as the name brand, but the non active ingredients (delivery method) is what changes from the name brand. It is widely known that some drugs' generics are not in demand like the name brand. Kind of like how we don't all seek marinol because it sucks.

It could be a whole different scenario when ingested orally.

 

[Hammerhead]

I like Terpenes for Aroma therapy.. I love the smell of certain strains allot..I have my super smell good buds very close to me so I can wiff them lol...

 

[vertigo0007]

8=======D------;-(

 

[RulaTone]

In have found that thc is not at all sticky (at room temperature or lower), in my experience of making amber glass, it is the concrete concentrate which is sticky. The better (more pure) it comes out, the less sticky it is. It is the waxes and lipids which make it sticky; which you have to remove in order to purify your oil. When it gets to above 50 percent or 60 you basically have to be removing the sticky stuff otherwise its hard to make it that strong.

Those who want to talk about pure thc taking for example their "pure amber glass" are just pathetical....
Did you ever see at least in a photo pure THC?
I suppose not, because you would know it is sticky as fucking hell.

What you have in your "amber glass" is mostly THCA, thats why it is not sticky.
But again oil is a mixture of different molecules and takin it for example when you talk about one singular pure molecula is just stupid.
I see it is a trend, please stop it!

 

[MiMedicineMan]

Those who want to talk about pure thc taking for example their "pure amber glass" are just pathetical....
Did you ever see at least in a photo pure THC?
I suppose not, because you would know it is sticky as fucking hell.

ok bad grammar aside, Like I said before all I can attest to is what I have personally experienced. from what I have had tested.

My lab tests for delta 9 thc and, delta 8 thc.

And I have never had a sample come up with any high amounts of the 9.

Is what you are speaking of the difference between thcA and thcV?

No need to bash, just trying to learn like everybody else why I am so drawn to this plant...

 

[swisscheese]

IDK where the members in here are coming from with the anger towards medman when he didn't do or say anything wrong and is just trying to learn and share. I can vouch for his lab tests as we use the same lab...

 

[vertigo0007]

Those who want to talk about pure thc taking for example their "pure amber glass" are just pathetical....
Did you ever see at least in a photo pure THC?
I suppose not, because you would know it is sticky as fucking hell.

What you have in your "amber glass" is mostly THCA, thats why it is not sticky.
But again oil is a mixture of different molecules and takin it for example when you talk about one singular pure molecula is just stupid.
I see it is a trend, please stop it!

...............

 

[G.O. Joe]

My lab tests for delta 9 thc and, delta 8 thc.

If they don't give a figure for THCA it's because their equipment is incapable of testing for it, GC's convert it to THC. HPLC gives the figure; if you don't believe the cannabinoid content of your glass is maybe half (or more, depending on the heat used to make it) THCA, get the HPLC testing.

 

[coreymillia42]

What I know about terpens and THC are that they are very different, THC has some terpens in it. But If you want to pull terpens out of the plant and not the THC. From My experience, I purchased a essential oil steam distiller. Yes NO SHIT it does not extract THC I knew this at the time of the purchase. I already make water hash and butane extracted wax. So my goal was JUST to pull the terpenoids out of the plant. I found a article.
http://www.druglibrary.net/olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha4208.html
But I ran my distiller once with 3 oz of popcorn buds What came out was 1 ml of very pungent oil, It was clear in the separator funnel, after about 2 weeks it turned green! I had it in a glass vial to cure. It was nothing near close to THC extracts, they look very different. Anyway. I ended up using it for a flavor WITHOUT THC for my e cig. Not to be confused with my hash pen, which I smoke straight hash and oil out of. I mixed the 1 ml with 20ml of 1.8% nicotine propylene glycol. Yes I know I did quit smoking cigarettes, but Im still addicted to nicotine through vaping. Mostly I vape lime, but make lots of flavors. But had yet to find a "marijuana" flavored e liquid on the market. I was going to use it to mix with wax to give it a more unique flavor. It would only take 1 drop or less per gram, but I have not. I did smoke a few drops on a bowl and its what made me think a e liquid would be the best choice. Obviously there are many other uses, but I only got 1 ml out of 3 oz. Also I took the steamed cannabis, and extracted it afterwards with butane. The result was complete decarboxylation of the THC. So, instead of a nice golden honeycomb, It came out of the vacuum chamber BLACK nasty looking. However I found a lot of info on people who actually decarb their cannabis before extracting it because it makes the oil more narcotic. I can say It didnt taste as good(after removing the terpens too), but I felt like I got a lot better sleep the entire time I smoked the stuff. So I dont know where I was going with this, other then that was my experience, I got it from heartmagic.com It can be made cheaper, but Its really easy to order from this guy since he sends everything you need, and fast. Heres a quick video of me using the steam distiller with cannabis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I6M5cHyOo

 

[redneck shogun]

I purchased a essential oil steam distiller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I6M5cHyOo

I have been wanting to buy a distiller for essential oils forever. I wanted to make my own natural cosmetic products from my garden but for years I have just been composting the perennials I planted for this purpose because I can't make the essential oils. I just don't seem to have time for anything when I work this hard ass job 10 hours a day and tend to my gardens too.

 

[vapor]

http://www.hightimes.com/read/talking-terpenes

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you want a particular smell from a particular cure then you still need the terpenes don't you? So you need to breed for terpenes.

Terpenoids contain oxygen (a fact lost on some chemists), but terpenes do not necessarily oxidize easily. Some might, some might not, some strains put out certain terpenes at certain times, etc. etc. etc. variables. You'd think that breeding for smell is breeding for terpenes, but the smells I like seem to have a lot to do with the cure.

Anything that you can smell is constantly being lost by volatilization, whether the plant is alive or dead; the most volatile terpenes are being lost fastest. Most of the terpenes can be steam distilled easily from the plant matter, dried over MgSO4, and this essential oil can be sent as such to any lab that accepts samples from the public. I wouldn't say it's oil of dope though, and the results will not so identify it to the lab personnel.

I have a feeling that any benefit of terpenes in high-THC material relates to improved aerosolization or absorption at the alveoli; that doesn't have much to do with the specific chemicals really. It's just the feeling I get when I purify oil more and more and then smoke it - as many of us have found, THC is really sticky and forms an impenetrable gum on things, really hard to wash off. And, the purer it is, the more easily it condenses on things and doesn't budge. Yes, I know - employees of licensed European growers spin different theories (that they and others with access to legitimate science seem reluctant to prove in any way).

As for the zNose, getting multiple peaks on a GC is easier than finding out what they mean. If you calibrate it with one specific volatile every day, the analysis journals say it works fine. If you want to compare peak shapes between plants, that's fine. And, "A limitation of this GC, is the short column which reduces the resolution of VOCs with similar retention times such as monoterpenes or sesquiterpenes."; from:

Practical approaches to plant volatile analysis
Dorothea Tholl, Wilhelm Boland, Armin Hansel, Francesco Loreto, Ursula S.R. Röse, Jörg-Peter Schnitzler
The Plant Journal Volume 45, Issue 4, pages 540–560, February 2006
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-313X.2005.02612.x/pdf

I would like to know how effective oral terpenes modify THC and Cannabinoids.
I never did much oral terpene studies, I smoked or vaporized in my tests, but if you want to understand what the terpenes are doing that makes the THC or other Cannabinoids modified by them then comparing oral vs smoked or vaporized is a good place to start.
I always wondered if the THC was being made more accessible with the addition of the right terpenes, either to the lungs or via the blood the brain barrier. If anyone has ideas I am interested...

As for "Yes, I know - employees of licensed European growers spin different theories (that they and others with access to legitimate science seem reluctant to prove in any way)."

What do you refer to?
-SamS