CMG seeds... has anyone heard of em??? i haven';t but by his attitude he reminds me of Rez..
dogstar r u really Rez... come-on u can tell us...
dogstar r u really Rez... come-on u can tell us...
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I think we can agree that one of the most obnoxious practices of newer breeders is making a cross and then turning around and giving it an unrelated name that doesn't acknowledge the lineage. But, failing to include that most important pedigree is more of a marketing mistake than an ethical one. In the last 20 years, we've seen reputations trashed because breeders tried to BS about what went into the seeds they're selling.
Truth and trust are as much the product as the seeds are. The information that has been collected by growers and consumers about that seed line is as important as the genetics themselves. By trying to deny the lineage of the seeds they make, newer breeders are just devaluing their own product.
Here in the US we're seeing a frenzy of activity in the 'newly emerging cannabis market'. New players are trying to jocky for position as quickly as possible to assure they're first in line to make the big bucks. The need for speed makes some sense for aspiring dispensary owners and concentrate manufacturers, but newer growers often have trouble competing with established ones because they just haven't got the experience.
Then there's breeding. Breeding cannabis is playing the long game. There's really no substitute for experience. Personally, I think the best thing someone aspiring to learn breeding can do is apprentice with someone who's been doing it for years and try to establish their own reputation as a protege.
Truth and trust are as much the product as the seeds are. The information that has been collected by growers and consumers about that seed line is as important as the genetics themselves. By trying to deny the lineage of the seeds they make, newer breeders are just devaluing their own product.
Here in the US we're seeing a frenzy of activity in the 'newly emerging cannabis market'. New players are trying to jocky for position as quickly as possible to assure they're first in line to make the big bucks. The need for speed makes some sense for aspiring dispensary owners and concentrate manufacturers, but newer growers often have trouble competing with established ones because they just haven't got the experience.
Then there's breeding. Breeding cannabis is playing the long game. There's really no substitute for experience. Personally, I think the best thing someone aspiring to learn breeding can do is apprentice with someone who's been doing it for years and try to establish their own reputation as a protege.
@ Sig.Greengenes,I can not disagree with what you say, making f2 is a game, making selection is an art .... and I (like many others) can only learn! 
This doesn't give him the right to call all people with different opinions idiots or "Gey" (sic). SWIM sent in several dozen packs for server fund for free and wouldn't have talked about it ever. I am ashamed now SWIM did so, seeing you let this person write everything what his sick mind is spitting out, while pretending to be the "good guy"!
Is this your kind of forum you want?
This doesn't give him the right to call all people with different opinions idiots or "Gey" (sic). SWIM sent in several dozen packs for server fund for free and wouldn't have talked about it ever. I am ashamed now SWIM did so, seeing you let this person write everything what his sick mind is spitting out, while pretending to be the "good guy"!
Is this your kind of forum you want?
If this was the kind of forum I wanted.......then I wouldn't have members asking me 'Is this your kind of forum you want'...
B
beanz
well I pop alot seeds from all sorts of ""high end "" breeders , you really appreciate good breeders work .
when I find those guys I tend to stick with them year after year , there few and far between .
its great growing the latest hyped gear , but its hit and miss on quality . breeders who put the time into there lines are really consistent and I,ve seen even clone like results sometimes for the whole pack f1 . I,ve also noticed some those breeders gear ends up going to shit cause once they establish there name they start cutting corners to make the $ . its real shame .....or they were a one hit wonder and used something really stable they had for long time and soon as they venture out to do work of there own it go,s too shit.
sometimes a partnership breaks up and one guy has all the knowledge and the other guy just has the business name and no skills .... and still continues on
its a bit like when you take the mean gene out of aficionado , all they they pump out now is zkittlez x,s or magnum opus x,s
when I find those guys I tend to stick with them year after year , there few and far between .
its great growing the latest hyped gear , but its hit and miss on quality . breeders who put the time into there lines are really consistent and I,ve seen even clone like results sometimes for the whole pack f1 . I,ve also noticed some those breeders gear ends up going to shit cause once they establish there name they start cutting corners to make the $ . its real shame .....or they were a one hit wonder and used something really stable they had for long time and soon as they venture out to do work of there own it go,s too shit.
sometimes a partnership breaks up and one guy has all the knowledge and the other guy just has the business name and no skills .... and still continues on
its a bit like when you take the mean gene out of aficionado , all they they pump out now is zkittlez x,s or magnum opus x,s
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Night crawler
Member
I agree ive done maybe a 1000, seeds over the years starting with sensi seeds 90 s and they all go down the same path and most seeds are budgie seed i think i will keep trying not got long left though in my growing career .
This doesn't give him the right to call all people with different opinions idiots or "Gey" (sic). SWIM sent in several dozen packs for server fund for free and wouldn't have talked about it ever. I am ashamed now SWIM did so, seeing you let this person write everything what his sick mind is spitting out, while pretending to be the "good guy"!
Is this your kind of forum you want?
JHWH is the only King,he will judge your wicked ways anyway..
now back on topic,talk about Breeding Ethics and dont bash people
you dont know... you will not get chance to made anything to
me cause i praise absolut... he protects me infront of people
like you are..,
while here you are,you praise your own ego...,old devil crying hard..
"When you beat yourself than you will be ready to beat me..."
its just a friendly advice if you wish so hard this things to happend..
Gypsy have mine full support as he is a man that dont push his ego,
ICMAG have a boss that is highly consciouss being..
he can recognize evil... thats why i respect him and beliving in
ICMAG good future... this his freedom that comes is just cherry
on a top.. i love it a lot good news..
God bless you all people,good definitly exists.. but also be awared
of bad is also there,we need to fight bad and negative..
its our duty..
Yeah, yeah....
Can we put this little spat to bed now gentlemen?
You have said your piece, now can we have peace?
Ego's get bruised.....ego's get battered, but does it really matter?
...eh, so what was this thread about?....ah yes 'Breeding Ethics'......carry on Wing Commander...
Can we put this little spat to bed now gentlemen?
You have said your piece, now can we have peace?
Ego's get bruised.....ego's get battered, but does it really matter?
...eh, so what was this thread about?....ah yes 'Breeding Ethics'......carry on Wing Commander...
JHWH is the only King,he will judge your wicked ways anyway..
now back on topic,talk about Breeding Ethics and dont bash people
you dont know... you will not get chance to made anything to
me cause i praise absolut... he protects me infront of people
like you are..,
while here you are,you praise your own ego...,old devil crying hard..
"When you beat yourself than you will be ready to beat me..."
its just a friendly advice if you wish so hard this things to happend..
Gypsy have mine full support as he is a man that dont push his ego,
ICMAG have a boss that is highly consciouss being..
he can recognize evil... thats why i respect him and beliving in
ICMAG good future... this his freedom that comes is just cherry
on a top.. i love it a lot good news..
God bless you all people,good definitly exists.. but also be awared
of bad is also there,we need to fight bad and negative..
its our duty..
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
I think in breeding more efforts should be put on the quality of the effect and its medicinal properties, and not only on strength and Instagram potential.
Thats why we see so much hate in the canna community, everywhere, not only on forums, because people smoke MJ that has only been bred for its commercial potential. Quick, strong, good looking with a tasty dense smoke it has to be, nothing else.
For me it's the goal you have in your breeding projects that has to be ethical, and not the credits you give to the breeders or donators of the genetics you use to achieve your goal. Thats more what I would call respect, fairness or fair use of others work.
But business is business and there is no much room for fairness or ethics. If you want to be ethical and fair you have to know that you will no chance to compete against busniness and markteting and 99,99% of the customers do not care for ethics, they simply want as much as possible for their money or want to spend hundred's of dollars for polyhybrids that are hyped and that are the result of few decades of only selection for strength and commercial potential.
May be Im completely wrong, but this is how I do see it.
Thats why we see so much hate in the canna community, everywhere, not only on forums, because people smoke MJ that has only been bred for its commercial potential. Quick, strong, good looking with a tasty dense smoke it has to be, nothing else.
For me it's the goal you have in your breeding projects that has to be ethical, and not the credits you give to the breeders or donators of the genetics you use to achieve your goal. Thats more what I would call respect, fairness or fair use of others work.
But business is business and there is no much room for fairness or ethics. If you want to be ethical and fair you have to know that you will no chance to compete against busniness and markteting and 99,99% of the customers do not care for ethics, they simply want as much as possible for their money or want to spend hundred's of dollars for polyhybrids that are hyped and that are the result of few decades of only selection for strength and commercial potential.
May be Im completely wrong, but this is how I do see it.
W
Water-
JHWH is the only King,he will judge your wicked ways anyway..
now back on topic,talk about Breeding Ethics and dont bash people
you dont know... you will not get chance to made anything to
me cause i praise absolut... he protects me infront of people
like you are..,
while here you are,you praise your own ego...,old devil crying hard..
"When you beat yourself than you will be ready to beat me..."
its just a friendly advice if you wish so hard this things to happend..
Gypsy have mine full support as he is a man that dont push his ego,
ICMAG have a boss that is highly consciouss being..
he can recognize evil... thats why i respect him and beliving in
ICMAG good future... this his freedom that comes is just cherry
on a top.. i love it a lot good news..
God bless you all people,good definitly exists.. but also be awared
of bad is also there,we need to fight bad and negative..
its our duty..
psychotic christian extremism focused on cannabis "breeding ethics".
interesting
after all these talks, it is clear that ethics concerns a part of the small breeders, most (not all) of the seedbanks has no ethics, it is not limited to cross the various skunk, haze, nl and related crossings,they simply take the various stocks and rename them, perhaps exploiting the current fashion, including the cbd strain,(It is my personal opinion that most of the commercial kush are Afghans skunk, or nl, or diesel, renamed)
My 2 cent
My 2 cent
CaptainDankness
Well-known member
LOL... you need to stop smoke crack and turn yourself to weed...
You right.. i wage war with free seeds...if only more
of this kind of martyrs walk around... everybody will have everything for free and no one will miss anything..
how egoistic is that...!?
Free seeds indeed. I've given out hundreds never asked for a dime. Of course I never actually shipped seeds, mostly just bred to make better selections without spending thousands on seeds and I always end up with plenty of extra seeds.
Of course paying for seeds wouldn't be too bad if they didn't want $10+ per seed $1 a seed is pushing it, but everyone wants to make a fortune.
S
sourpuss
I agree, these big seedbreeders sell things that have no resemblance to the name and supposed lineage. You mention diesel? Show me 1 big seedbreeder selling a true diesel under the diesel name. I could list a bunch of smaller breeders who sell true diesel genetics. Its kinda better that way anyway. The suckers get screwed by hype and marketing. Anyone with a true passion and a brain to do research will end up with boutique breeders like here on ic.
Night crawler
Member
Its turning into the fake designer clothes market .
A
AVOH
I think it would be pretty cool if the boards had a little section where people can enter in info of the seeds, clone, and crosses they use to give themselves credit for the work put in , and the people before and after them.
Like a registry to actually prove things on the net to create a baseline of data. Just a thought
Like a registry to actually prove things on the net to create a baseline of data. Just a thought
actually Ic has that section --> https://www.icmag.com/modules/ICStrainguide/
and you can input your private strain also, beside the "official"s, or grow report
https://www.icmag.com/modules/ICStrainguide/index.php?eop=submitreport
and you can input your private strain also, beside the "official"s, or grow report
https://www.icmag.com/modules/ICStrainguide/index.php?eop=submitreport
