But i'm speaking facts them I see everyday in real life, not in social media, where did I tell a lie? Argue. And what personal attack did I make? wtf. Trump continues to be right-wing, no matter what populist measures he defends to win the votes he needs. And it seems that the electoral strategy is working on you.Why are you going off topic and arguing with facts? Speak to the far right comment,I'm right and you are wrong in this case.You're validity now turns to just an opinion and a personal attack.
Hey, you didn't stay out of the topic about my country, and I can't stick my nose into yours either? How about talking about what the US did in Laos and several other countries around the world? I have nothing against you, friend, but unfortunately you have no idea that you're defending the absurd."But Obama, Biden or Trump is the same shit, all right wing politicians."
Maybe you should sit this one out?
I didn't mean it like that,sorry I didn't mean to offend,type sometimes is taken the wrong way. yes the republicans certainly did abolish slavery in N America.The Confederate States of America, otherwise known as the Confederacy, was a government of 11 Southern states that withdrew from the Union during the American Civil War. It had nothing to do with slavery. New York was the hub of slave trade. Anyway my work shift is over, I hope you get a better government that helps you. Take care.Hey, you didn't stay out of the topic about my country, and I can't stick my nose into yours either? How about talking about what the US did in Laos and several other countries around the world? I have nothing against you, friend, but unfortunately you have no idea that you're defending the absurd.
And for you, is one of these 3 "leftist" or something? Dude, it's literally as if I were arguing with a Bolsonaro voter in Brazil. Apparently you don't know what left and right really are. Do you really think that it was the "right" that abolished slavery in the fields? lol... They literally defend slavery to this day with slave jobs that pay misery and work exhausting hours. And... do I need to remind you of the confederate flag? Is it a "communist" thing now? Historically, the right has always been on the side of the exploiter, the colonizer, the owner of capital, the billionaire, the businessman who exploits those who actually do the work, it's basics.
"So what if he's right wing?" Ask people in Laos, or the children in Gaza, ask the Africans devastated by English colonization. Ask people on Haiti... I could cite countless examples. There seems to be a lack of historical knowledge here about what is right-wing.Of course I respect your country and you but truth matters."You sound exactly like Bolsonaro's voters,"you make an assumption.
So what if he's right wing? Do you paint everyone that isn't"left wing" with the same brush?. You said free speech is a problem did you not? I simply replied to your right wing comment as you portray them to limit freedom. "This "free speech" thing is a big problem" .... seriously free speech is a big problem? You referred to the far right as far as putting people in prison for weed,I responded by stating the opposite which is a fact.
The United States does not allow the left to flourish in any government in the world. The US is left wing at this time and has been for 4 years,are you saying the left wing in the US is stopping left wing from flourishing in other countries? That wouldn't make much sense. We have seen what a far left government does,it turns to communism.Canada,Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Switzerland,Estonia,Belgium,New Zealand,Finland,Ireland,Costa Rica, to name a few are all left wing,are you saying the US won't let them flourish?
With all due respect brother but I must disagree. This "free speech" thing is a big problem, the expression really should be limited for obvious reasons. This doesn't even exist in real life. It's basic. It's an ideal propagated by the ruling elite to spread their agenda without any limitations or barriers like Musk disrespecting laws in my country to protect criminals on twitter, spreading fake news about my country and the Brazilian judiciary, Musk tried to destabilize politics in Brazil by supporting the worst of the politicians here. Do you know who defends him here? The far right that fights for marijuana to be criminalized and for users to be arrested. And they still open their mouths to talk about "freedom", they are hypocrites. The elite propagate whatever crap they want, but the people, the poor, the real workers don't, we can't... So "free speach" for who??? This is the "freedom" that they defend, the freedom to destroy nature, to destroy the oceans, the freedom to spread whatever rubbish they want to alienate the population while your voice and mine will NEVER be heard like theirs, they dominate everything, they are the owners of capital, not you! Musk and others like him defends his own freedom, not yours, to continue fucking the planet.
And c'mon bro, all this talk ultimately comes down to defending hate speech, and well, nowhere in the world do you have total freedom to say anything to anyone. Depending on where you are, you may never go back home depending on what you say and who you say it to. And that's not provided for in the law. It's just a matter of good common sense.
And yes, we can discuss politics without becoming enemies. I have nothing against you, but I am totally against what you defend.
Yes! But freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to be racist, for example. And that's what we're doing here, expressing ourselves, you see? C'mon man, have you read anything I've written?Thank you for saying that.
Isn't free speech awesome!!??
Wow !!!
this thread was pretty cool at the origin ,since i know some Brazailian's who are cool and like to enjoy ,
but it derails totally , i have no interrest about how it is about politics ...
next !
With all due respect brother but I must disagree. This "free speech" thing is a big problem, the expression really should be limited for obvious reasons.
This doesn't even exist in real life. It's basic. It's an ideal propagated by the ruling elite to spread their agenda without any limitations or barriers
like Musk disrespecting laws in my country to protect criminals on twitter, spreading fake news about my country and the Brazilian judiciary,
Musk tried to destabilize politics in Brazil by supporting the worst of the politicians here. Do you know who defends him here?
The far right that fights for marijuana to be criminalized and for users to be arrested.
And they still open their mouths to talk about "freedom", they are hypocrites.
The elite propagate whatever crap they want, but the people, the poor, the real workers don't, we can't... So "free speach" for who???
This is the "freedom" that they defend, the freedom to destroy nature, to destroy the oceans, the freedom to spread whatever rubbish they want to alienate the population while your voice and mine will NEVER be heard like theirs, they dominate everything, they are the owners of capital, not you! Musk and others like him defends his own freedom, not yours, to continue fucking the planet.
And c'mon bro, all this talk ultimately comes down to defending hate speech,
and well, nowhere in the world do you have total freedom to say anything to anyone.
Depending on where you are, you may never go back home depending on what you say and who you say it to. And that's not provided for in the law. It's just a matter of good common sense.
I think a president did end slavery, I think his name was Lincoln. Far right guy.
"Yes! But freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to be racist, for example."Yes! But freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to be racist, for example. And that's what we're doing here, expressing ourselves, you see? C'mon man, have you read anything I've written?
A short time ago in Brazil there was a guy (Monark, now a fugitive in the U.S.A.) defending the existence of a Nazi party based on this talk of "unrestricted freedom of speech." Which is obviously absurd and yes, he should be arrested for what he said. Brazil used to have many states with a high degree of xenophobia/racism among themselves, especially those in the southeast. This was greatly reduced with the criminalization of prejudiced speech. It still exists, but to a lesser extent. Just as racism in the U.S. has also decreased, we know that it still exists but nothing compared to what it once was, and thanks to the laws, because, as far as I know, federal laws prohibit discrimination based on national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex and familial status of a person in the United States, right? Well, in Brazil it's the same thing, but lately many have been defending this "unlimited freedom of expression" thing to want to go back to the times of free discrimination and open prejudice, spreading fake news, spreading hate speech, spreading all kinds of crap. These people should be arrested or punished as they always have been, not heard. This whole speech, besides being illogical, completely ignores the practical consequences. Besides that, it's ridiculous, it's like saying that a red light is an affront to the right to come and go, it's a childish fallacy.