Boron: The secret to getting more flowers

[Gamma Goblin]

Two is a small number of plants from which to draw conclusions.

The plants in such a test as kokua's may need higher concentrations of other nutrients for those treated with boron to perform better than the control. For example the test might show improvement when pk13/14 is used and not without.

 

[BudZad7]

Boron!

Boron!

Hi All ! Dudes just making a joke about soap.....

Rock dust= trace elements and bat guano has boron in it

what is used in place of soft rock phosphate???


Peace!

 

[kokua]

your right gamma...more testing would be needed for conclusive evidence either way. But you wont see me doing it.

 

[ShroomDr]

Maybe i missed it, but did you cull the ORMI listed Boron treated plants too Kokua?
I know they were burned, but i thought only the Borax threw nuts.

I bought a box of Borax, but reading around about Borax, and this thread, i am now very hesitant to experiment. Borax seems to be a generic term, like terrier for a dog. There are lots of type of terriers, and lots of formulas called borax.

 

[Guest]

I had a paragraph typed out... but it was long and confusing. Bassicly.

Sproutco... stop giving out advice, unless your positive of what your saying is true.
I posted in the sick plant forum, and you swore i had a PH problem.Your fav diagnosis. They just needed a feeding. That was it.

I just have a problem with someone, who states that, regardless of medium PH is a vital variable which needs controling.

This may be somwhat true, but with the ph adjustors already present in many quality soils, and the neeed to continously Up-pot your plants will provide them with a soil capable of regulating its own ph.

I donno sproutco, i love that ya try to help sooo many people, just make sure your not giving advice that will end up causing more harm then good.

My best advice would be when you see a organic soil gardner with any problems, to recomend a a " well rounded meal". A little gro, a little bloom, and some micros.
Thats what i gave my girls after your said i had a ph problem, and bam there goregous.

Just stop tellin us orgain soil guys, its our ph, kas thats rarely ever gonna be the problem.

JMHO

 

[sproutco]

I bought a box of Borax, but reading around about Borax, and this thread, i am now very hesitant to experiment. Borax seems to be a generic term, like terrier for a dog. There are lots of type of terriers, and lots of formulas called borax.

The only difference between the different borax that you may find is the degree of hydration. Water in the molecule.

 

[Verite]

The only difference between the different borax that you may find is the degree of hydration. Water in the molecule.

Water hydration doesnt make the compound(s) any less harmful to all living cells when applied at higher trace amounts.

And if there were a use for borax in plant food there surely would be some sort of notation on wikipedia or any other source on the internet besides the lone opinion of sproutco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

20 Mule Team Borax's(brand name) guide to the many uses of borax...
http://www.dialcorp.com/documents/borax.pdf

 

[Homeless]

Guys, Wikipedia has information, but that information isnt accredited.

There is nothing to prove that what wikipedia says its true.

Look up elephants, and if you watch Steven Colbert, you'll know you can edit and add your own Wikipedia facts, and if enough people agree, they'll add it...

Come on?!?!?!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Borax on Ground Ivy: Boon or Bane?

Sometimes folklore and science actually intersect, though often in unexpected ways. Take for instance, the case of ground ivy (Glechoma hederacea), a common and invasive perennial weed in Iowa lawns and gardens. Ground ivy is known by a variety of names, including Creeping Charlie, Creeping Jenny, and Ground-Over the-Gill.
Ground ivy spreads by seed and the vining stems which root at their nodes. The leaves of ground ivy are round or kidney-shaped with scalloped margins. Stems are four-sided. Flowers are small, bluish-purple and funnel-shaped. Ground ivy thrives in damp, shady areas, but also grows well in sunny locations. A member of the mint family, ground ivy produces a minty odor when cut or crushed.

Originally brought to the United States from Europe as a ground cover, the plant soon became a pest because of its spreading habit. Enter the "hero" of the story: the common household product called Twenty Mule Team Borax. Borax is actually sodium tetraborate, a white, crystalline, mineral salt formed in the beds of ancient lakes millions of years ago. As early as the 1920s, this mineral was being used not only for its cleaning properties, but for its ability to eradicate weeds.

Through trial and error, people found that borax could kill ground ivy. Why did the borax work? Borax contains boron, an important plant micronutrient. However, the difference between plant requirements and toxicity problems is very small. When excessive quantities are present, boron can damage and even destroy plants. We also know that grasses tend to be more tolerant of excess boron than are broadleaves.

But there is little research information on how borax affects turf and ornamentals in the home landscape. So in 1991, Harlene Hatterman-Valenti, ISU horticulture graduate student; and Nick Christians, ISU horticulture professor; conducted research on the effectiveness of borax in control of ground ivy in turfgrass and ornamental situations. Research was conducted over the next two years, and they concluded that, dependent upon weather conditions, borax indeed could indeed match or exceed the performance of common herbicides' in eradicating ground ivy.

http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1997/8-22-1997/borax.html

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

This weed can also be controlled with Borax. Borax contains boron, which is an essential nutrient needed in very tiny amounts for healthy plant growth. Amounts even slightly over what is needed are toxic to plants. Borax can be used against creeping Charlie because the weed is more sensitive to boron than is the grass. Small amounts can kill creeping Charlie without permanently harming the lawn. (Grass may brown a bit, but it will grow out of it.)

The problem is, boron does not dissipate or break down like standard weed-killers. If it's applied repeatedly or at too strong a rate, you will end up with an area where you can't grow anything until the boron leaches out. That may take years. At most, you should only treat your lawn with borax once each spring for two years. Here's the formula: dissolve eight ounces of a product like Twenty Mule Team Borax into four ounces of warm water, then dilute it in 2 1/2 gallons of water. This should be sprayed evenly over 1,000 square feet of lawn, no more, no less.

http://lawnandgarden.unl.edu/scripts/weedWeek.cgi

 

[Verite]

Guys, Wikipedia has information, but that information isnt accredited.

There is nothing to prove that what wikipedia says its true.

Look up elephants, and if you watch Steven Colbert, you'll know you can edit and add your own Wikipedia facts, and if enough people agree, they'll add it...

Come on?!?!?!

And your point is what? Try this, read what wikipedia says about borax in the link. If you can verify anything thats not true I will gift you a pack of my seeds from seedbay when they get there. If you cant find anything wrong in the information they printed then maybe you'll have to accept the fact that wikipedia is just as good [ or better ] than any other reference. What other source of reference has that depth of accreditation where the checks and balances are worldwide?

And sure when you are talking about people and history youre going to get a wide variety of opinion. But dude, were talking about Borax, an inanimate chemical compound. Do you think people are going to have extensively diversive opinions on Borax?

 

[ninjakuma916]

 

[Guest]

This is funny!
On the one hand you have a guy that feels the need to come to the rescue of people with plant problems...who has no evidence to back up what he says! On the other you have guys that want to know everything he says...so they can post a retort! I think that sprout wins...this has to be what he wants!

Im going to scrub the tub!


When I was high school... I was changing out for gym with a couple of guys...well I noticed that my penis was larger than theirs. So ocourse I concluded at that moment, that I must have the largest penis in the world!
Much to my disapointment and imbarassment, to be quite frank, especially seeing as I told everyone...that I had the biggest penis!
Many years later I caught my girlfriend in the act of cheating on me... and lets just say, that when that man got out of my bed, naked, I was shocked my dream was shattered! lol
J/K

 

[Guest]

Do you think people are going to have extensively diversive opinions on Borax?

Just on using it for Marijuana...lol.....stay safe

 

[Guest]

lmfao willie!

now i know where your name comes from!

 

[sproutco]

Pansy growers know about boron boosts

Pansy growers know about boron boosts

Boron deficiency is a serious problem during pansy production, and it has caused problems in petunias, too. In hot weather, growers reduce fertility levels to prevent plant stretching. Added fertilizer evidently does not completely replenish the supply of boron in the medium (Laffe and Styer 1989). High calcium and low magnesium levels can also tie-up boron, making it unavailable to the growing seedling. The symptoms of boron deficiency are stunted plants with puckered leaves, terminal buds that may abort, and many branches that may be produced. Leaves are usually not yellowed or chlorotic, but they are cupped, brittle, and green. The malformed leaves may resemble thrips or mite damage in the malformation of leaves. An analysis of the leaves is the only method by which to confirm a boron deficiency.

If you made your own germination or growing medium, be sure that micronutrients have been added. To remedy a boron deficiency that isn't too severe, apply Borax at 0.5 ounces per 100 gallons or Solubor at 0.25 ounces per 100 gallons. Boron deficiency may be a sign that the pH has climbed above 6.0 or of excessive water alkalinity (Laffe and Styer 1990). If magnesium levels have fallen, adding to the boron deficiency, the additional magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) may help the boron treatment work (Laffe and Styer 1989). Application of Epsom salts is recommended at 1 to 2 pounds per 100 gallons of water. Reducing calcium-containing fertilizers and supplementing with a boron treatment may help reduce problems associated with boron deficiency.

The rate I gave is only 2/3 of what they are using here so its alot more safe.

http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0596/

 

[kokua]

^^^your beating a dead horse sproutco. We've already established that Boron might be the secret to more flowers for field grown crops in boron depleted fields, or in boron sensitive fruit tree crops or pansies, but boron is not beneficial (in increased amounts as suggested by YOU) to indoor cannabis that is already being fed high quality complete fertilizers.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

psssssst


Hey buddy,,,,,



know where I can get some good pansies?





how come sproutco dosen't post up on his garden - just tons and tons of articles - many of which are not cannabiss related?


makes one go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Verite]

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The rate I gave is only 2/3 of what they are using here so its alot more safe.

Alot more safe than what exactly? Someone already established by using your advice that 'safe' means potential to turn hermie. How much more 'safe' can the forum endure?

Maybe you should go to a pansie forum and your borax opinions will be just what they need. Until then do we really need to follow you and your poor advice around while your new kick is to tell people to use stump remover for yet another hidden source of all our problems?